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[Xilizhra]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

LET, have you ever done any Renegade playthroughs? And to the rest here, would it be realistic for Liara to fall for a staunch Renegade? She seems much more Paragonish to me...

I've never played a Renegade Shepard, no.

Personally, I couldn't ever see Liara or any other LI with a pure Renegade Shepard. I don't think any of the characters would be attracted to an individual who is often needlessly ruthless, aggressive, violent, sociopathic and a borderline psychotic.

Well, there's Jack...
I kid; I've done the same thing (that is, always playing Paragon Femsheps who romance Liara), though I've been considering playing one who has Renegade leanings) I'm guessing you like to play through using different classes?

And so that this is on topic, seeing a bondmate ceremony at the end of ME3 would be fascinating, but bringing children into it might be going a bit too far (largely because Shepard can't have any with most of the other LIs).

[TheMarshal]

I've never played through as anything other than a Paragon FemShep (with a hint of Renegade, when the situation calls for it), but based on what I've seen from the youtube clips, most of the other romances boil down to: "You. And me. And boning." So I think at least the OTHER romance options would be perfectly accepting of a Renegade. I think ME1 Liara would have fallen for Shepard one way or another, but in ME2, while she may want to continue the romance, she'd also be accepting of him/her moving on after two years.

[TMA LIVE]

I don't think you're be seeing any kids in any ending, since it'll be unfair for many, like those who romanced Miranda, Garrus, Thane, Tali, or for simply being Fem shep.

[adneate]

Xilizhra wrote...
And so that this is on topic, seeing a bondmate ceremony at the end of ME3 would be fascinating, but bringing children into it might be going a bit too far (largely because Shepard can't have any with most of the other LIs).

Dragon Age is calling! The game only allows male characters to father childern and then only in specific scenarios, the Dwarf Noble Origin and with Morrigan. A female Warden for all intents and purposes is barren incapable of ever having children with almost anyone.

While that's a different team is serves and useful example that BioWare doesn't really care about being fair, LIs that are part of the main story will have more content both regular and romantic because it's a more efficent use of resources. Those LIs that are just a long for the ride will get less because only those romancing them will see that content so it's not as wise to devote resources to it.

And if the plot Gods deem something to be so then it will happen regardless of what the player thinks or feels.

[MillaShepard]

i agree that it should be optional as to whether or not shep has little blue children with Liara, although having the option at all would be nice. I also really really hope Liara plays a bigger role in ME3 period. It was torture having only those few moments with her in ME2, and i know if ME3 comes out and she's not in it all that much i'll end up playing through just waiting, hoping and crossing my fingers for the next time i get to see her.

[adneate]

TMA LIVE wrote...
or for simply being Fem shep.

You do know that FemShep and Liara can have kids . . .

[adneate]

I fracking hate the BSN sometimes . . .

Modifié par adneate, 19 décembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[Xilizhra]

However, I should clarify that the ability to have children should be purely optional, and it should only occur following the defeat of the Reapers. Some Liara fans may not like the idea of having children forced upon them, and it would be pretty irresponsible of both Shepard and Liara if they were to start a family before or during the forthcoming Reaper war.

There's also the vaguely-worded asari life cycle that might mean that Liara can't have children for another couple of centuries until she becomes a matron. But in that case, she might have mentioned it in LotSB...

[ryu niiyama]

Has it been confirmed that Aethyta is Liara's sire parent? I know there is the SB video clip as well as her comment about a pureblood daughter, but her comment about the "screw up" that joined Saren struck me as a little odd if she had been Benezia's lover/partner/bondmate. Even moreso when the tone she uses when describing the relationship that didn't work out held much less venom. She seemed remorseful about the loss of both her child and the relationship. I'd say Liara reminds her of her daughter rather than Liara actually being her daughter.

Modifié par ryu niiyama, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[AlexMBrennan]

There's also the vaguely-worded asari life cycle that might mean that Liara can't have children for another couple of centuries until she becomes a matron.

I believe consensus is that this isn't the case (refer to the old, 1000 page monolithic write-only Liara discussion thread)

[MillaShepard]

ryu niiyama wrote...

Has it been confirmed that Aethyta is Liara's sire parent? I know there is the SB video clip as well as her comment about a pureblood daughter, but her comment about the "screw up" that joined Saren struck me as a little odd if she had been Benezia's lover/partner/bondmate. Even moreso when the tone she uses when describing the relationship that didn't work out held much less venom. She seemed remorseful about the loss of both her child and the relationship. I'd say Liara reminds her of her daughter rather than she actually being her daughter.

I've been wondering about this myself.  Aethyta seems to be Liara's sire parent, but there's no way to know for sure yet, (as far as i know.)  I'm also curious if you know of any way to actually hear what's being said in the SB clips.  Is it possible?

[TMA LIVE]

adneate wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
or for simply being Fem shep.

You do know that FemShep and Liara can have kids . . .

But Femshep can't get pregnant, without risking not being able to fight. The best you can get is for her to tell Jacob or Kaidan that she's pregnant at the end.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[adneate]

TMA LIVE wrote...
But Femshep can't get pregnant, without risking not being able to fight. The best you can get is for her to tell Jacob or Kaidan that she's pregnant at the end.

Anyone getting pregnant during the actual game and being far enough along that they could no longer take to the battlefield is pretty unlikely. Not just from a story point of view but the fact that would require a brand new conditional body model with matching clothing meshes. BioWare won't do that, much too expensive for something only a few people are going to see.

Modifié par adneate, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:16 .

[ryu niiyama]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote…

I do think there's the possibility that Aethyta may have been attempting to deceive Shepard, and was distancing herself from Benezia and her involvement with Saren in order to avoid the implication that she is Liara's other parent. I think that Aethyta is aware of Shepard's identity when speaking to her, and is also aware of Shepard's close relationship with Liara, romantic or otherwise. She'd wish to avoid revealing her identity as Liara's other parent accordingly.

Additionally, I there's also the strong chance that Benezia, following her involvement with Saren, is now regarding as a despicable traitor and war criminal amongst the asari. Given that, it's also possible that Aethyta would want to distance herself from Benezia for that reason alone.

Hmm that is something to consider. I'm not so sure that Aethyta is as aware of  who Shepard is though. She has no direct connection to Shepard (aside from the possible Liara connection) and she is to our knowledge just a simple bartender. Aria she is not. Even if she were just tracking Liara and found out about Shepard that way it doesn't quite compute. How would she know that much of Liara's past unless she kept some amazing tabs (like shadow broker amazing) on Liara. I would think that Spectre missions and crew compliment are classified so no one should have know that Liara served with the first human Spectre unless they were upper Brass. That is my assumption of course. 

 As for Benezia, I would think that Shepard would have reported that Benezia had been indoctrinated. Even though the Council is on the fence about the whole reaper threat, indoctrination would be reason enough to clear Benezia's name right?

[jlb524]

ryu niiyama wrote...

Has it been confirmed that Aethyta is Liara's sire parent? I know there is the SB video clip as well as her comment about a pureblood daughter, but her comment about the "screw up" that joined Saren struck me as a little odd if she had been Benezia's lover/partner/bondmate. Even moreso when the tone she uses when describing the relationship that didn't work out held much less venom. She seemed remorseful about the loss of both her child and the relationship. I'd say Liara reminds her of her daughter rather than Liara actually being her daughter.

I don't find Aethyta calling Benezia a "screw up" that odd at all, given that their relationship obviously ended on bad terms.  People speak ill of their exes all the time

Especially if Aethyta did care greatly for Benezia...one moment she's calling her a "screw up" while the next she's acting remorseful about the relationship going sour.  There's bound to be a lot of conflicting emotions within Aethyta regarding her relationship with Benezia and her non-existent relationship with Liara.

[jlb524]

Cypher0020 wrote...

anyone want to talk about the bondmate ceremony? what will it be like? Does Shep 'propose' to Liara?

I hope the ceremony isn't like a traditional Western human wedding.

However, I doubt it will be shown in game, unless it's a real small and quick ceremony before the final battle, so we will never see a full-fledged ceremony.  It's possible the pair will discuss it, and the ceremony will occur after ME3 and will be left up to our imaginations (if we even choose to do it).

Xilizhra wrote...

LET, have you ever done any Renegade playthroughs? And to the rest here, would it be realistic for Liara to fall for a staunch Renegade? She seems much more Paragonish to me...

I think it depends on how you play the Renegade.  Not all are evil or malicious.  Though, some of the choices result in pointless cruelty that I doubt Liara would approve of.  

My main Shepard is a Paragade and I think that is a good match for Liara.  I had created a more ruthless Shepard that believed innocents should be sacrificed to stop a criminal...kind of a 'get the bad guy no matter the cost' mentality.  I think it realistic for Liara to fall for this type of 'Renegade', though, in ME1, she did also have a fair amount of Paragon points at the end making her more of a 'Renegon'.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 décembre 2010 - 08:04 .

[ryu niiyama]

jlb524 wrote…

I don't find Aethyta calling Benezia a "screw up" that odd at all, given that their relationship obviously ended on bad terms.  People speak ill of their exes all the time

Especially if Aethyta did care greatly for Benezia...one moment she's calling her a "screw up" while the next she's acting remorseful about the relationship going sour.  There's bound to be a lot of conflicting emotions within Aethyta regarding her relationship with Benezia and her non-existent relationship with Liara.

Did it actually end on bad terms? Benezia never talked about it to Liara and we have just Aethyta's dialogue to go on. And she just said it didn't work out. Didn't work out does not always mean they ended on bad terms. With Benezia being such an prominent figure on Thessia and Noveria (she was Saren's Executor) I suspect they drifted apart. Again my assumption.

[jlb524]

ryu niiyama wrote...

Did it actually end on bad terms? Benezia never talked about it to Liara and we have just Aethyta's dialogue to go on. And she just said it didn't work out. Didn't work out does not always mean they ended on bad terms. With Benezia being such an prominent figure on Thessia and Noveria (she was Saren's Executor) I suspect they drifted apart. Again my assumption.

I'm assuming too.  The fact that Benezia refused to ever speak of it as the break up 'hurt her greatly' tells me that things didn't end well and they ddin't just drift apart.  Also, Aethyta's reaction to Benezia. 

I would have to say most couples won't simply drift apart right after the birth of their child.  That usually brings them closer together.  This is why I assume something bad happened between the two.

[ryu niiyama]

jlb524 wrote…

I'm assuming too.  The fact that Benezia refused to ever speak of it as the break up 'hurt her greatly' tells me that things didn't end well and they ddin't just drift apart.  Also, Aethyta's reaction to Benezia. 

I would have to say most couples won't simply drift apart right after the birth of their child.  That usually brings them closer together.  This is why I assume something bad happened between the two.

I would suspect that ending a long term relationship with someone you cared about would cause significant pain even if both parties agreed to it. For all we know Benezia could have been with her partner for centuries. Even worse if they had been close friends first. As far as a child, lots of people have kids for the wrong reasons. Many in a misguided attempt to salvage a relationship. Plus we don't know how old Liara was when her parents split. Of course Liara would have had to have been very young (or at least young enough to no longer remember her sire). I'd say if it were after Liara's birth that her parents could have still drifted apart.   I do realize that I'm likely being overly objective, but I have no personal experience to draw from. 

Modifié par ryu niiyama, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:29 .