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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Speaking of the VS. I wonder if they should be the one that is going to make the Shepard = Saren connection. Perhaps even mention the fact that Shepard has a powerful ally in the form of a member of the T'soni family.

Erm what? Could be that I'm just tired but what exactly do you mean by Shepard = Saren connection?

Oh come on! Don´t tell me you haven't noticed the similarities between paragon Shepard and Saren.

[AnimaTempli101]

I haven't. Explain.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

I haven't. Explain.

Both have Krogans on their side.
Both have Rachni on their side.
Both have geth on their side.
Both killed a fellow spectre oprerative while carrying out their plan.
Both have the assistance of a member from the T'soni family
Both have a sentient warship under their command
Both are said to be charismatic
Both attacked a colony owned by a species that is known to be rivals with their own (granted Shepard's case was more indirectly). The attack of said colony is what get's them busted.

[AnimaTempli101]

Never considered it like that. My thanks.

[Nerdage]

Well to be fair I don't think Saren really had Rachi on his side, the only one that didn't seem to just attack anything indiscriminately was the one he had caged for information, and he was more under the ship's command than it was under his.

[SilentNukee]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Both have Krogans on their side.
Both have Rachni on their side.
Both have geth on their side.
Both killed a fellow spectre oprerative while carrying out their plan.
Both have the assistance of a member from the T'soni family
Both have a sentient warship under their command
Both are said to be charismatic
Both attacked a colony owned by a species that is known to be rivals with their own (granted Shepard's case was more indirectly). The attack of said colony is what get's them busted.

There is definitely something going on...

I wonder if they're setting it up as a future tie in, like in a line of dialogue or something.

Ugh, I'll be angries if Shep is in fact indoctrinated in someway...

[Rolling Flame]

Also, Shepard is now effectively a cyborg. A "vision of the future" as Saren put it.

"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!"

Modifié par Rolling Flame, 21 mai 2011 - 06:55 .

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

I haven't. Explain.

Both have Krogans on their side.
Both have Rachni on their side.
Both have geth on their side.
Both killed a fellow spectre oprerative while carrying out their plan.
Both have the assistance of a member from the T'soni family
Both have a sentient warship under their command
Both are said to be charismatic
Both attacked a colony owned by a species that is known to be rivals with their own (granted Shepard's case was more indirectly). The attack of said colony is what get's them busted.

Now that you and marshal mention it, yeah there is a funny connection between them. 

@ marshal: The VS becoming a spectre and hunting shepard! This I would like to see. Even my paragon shepards would let the vs leave through an airlock 

Ugh, I'll be angries if Shep is in fact indoctrinated in someway...

From what I can gather from indoctrination it takes quite a while for someone to be properly indoctrinated (aka turned into a useful servant instead of a mindless husk) and it seems you can only get indoctrinated by being near a reaper. That said, I doubt Shepard will actually spend days, let alone weeks in the vicinity of a reaper.

Not only that but I think Shepard is among the only ones that definitely won't be indoctrinated though it would be a nice, if emotional, twist if someone on your squad (NOT LIARA ofc!) got indoctrinated and has to be killed. Wether BioWare would go that far, I wouldn't put it past them.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 21 mai 2011 - 09:39 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Let's hope that they leave that dark edgy stuff (e.g. forcing the player to kill their younger sister) in DA games.

[Robhuzz]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Let's hope that they leave that dark edgy stuff (e.g. forcing the player to kill their younger sister) in DA games.

Even though there were plenty of chances to avoid that particular event, I agree. Keep that dark edgy stuff away from mass effect.

[Robhuzz]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

I wouldn't mind making really hard choices in ME3 where you have to choose between civilians and military or squad members and "innocents". Although BioWare would have to know by now that asking the player to choose between their LI and anything else will most likely result in who ever or whatever isn't the LI immediately being destroyed.
Liara wins everytime

Hackett: You must choose between saving the human race and saving Liara
Shepard: Liara
Hackett: Shepard, you would doom the enitre human race for your own selfish whims. Are you sure?
Shepard: What do you mean am I sure? Liara's in danger go there now!

Meh the humans had a good run

Then this wouldn't be a really hard choice would it? I'd certainly choose Liara over everything else. This choice is even easier in ME3 since it's pretty much guaranteed a lot of people will get killed anyway. So as long as enough people survive to sustain a viable population, I don't really care how many get killed.

The quarians and drell however... If the hanar homeworld gets attacked (Hope it does, would be lame if the reapers decided to save a few races for later) then the drell are pretty much history. Same goes for the quarians if their 3 liveships are destroyed.

[TMA LIVE]

Liara would rather you killed her. She might not ever forgive you or herself for being the reason for an entire race being dead. She might even leave you for it.

Liara: Why did you sacrifice billions for me?

Shepard: Because I love you.

Liara: Then I guess we shouldn't be together. Apparently I costing billions of lives.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 mai 2011 - 01:12 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

I actually would think that Cerberus is now more likely to be one the ones kicking down the door on Halgalaz. Perhaps Kai Leng will even kill Feron!

Even if I didn't like Feron in a kicked-pupp sort of way, I wouldn't want that to happen. Can you imagine how Liara would feel about that?

[Andoth]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

I wouldn't mind making really hard choices in ME3 where you have to choose between civilians and military or squad members and "innocents". Although BioWare would have to know by now that asking the player to choose between their LI and anything else will most likely result in who ever or whatever isn't the LI immediately being destroyed.
Liara wins everytime

Hackett: You must choose between saving the human race and saving Liara
Shepard: Liara
Hackett: Shepard, you would doom the enitre human race for your own selfish whims. Are you sure?
Shepard: What do you mean am I sure? Liara's in danger go there now!

Meh the humans had a good run

Fiddles, I can't believe you actually let Hackett finish the sentence. 

Hackett: Shepard, you must cho...
Shepard: Liara
Hackett: You didn't wait for me to finish
Shepard: Okay, finish it then
Hackett: You need to cho...
Shepard: Liara
Hackett: We're so doomed


I've been hoping for a betrayal within your squad, that's something we haven't dealt with yet.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I actually would think that Cerberus is now more likely to be one the ones kicking down the door on Halgalaz. Perhaps Kai Leng will even kill Feron!

Even if I didn't like Feron in a kicked-pupp sort of way, I wouldn't want that to happen. Can you imagine how Liara would feel about that?

But it could make for such a good scene (watch 0:00 - 1:45)!

[corporal doody]

i hope there is no kind of cheesy cliche' double cross scenario. Shep has been to hell back with squadmates...some more than once. that should be more than enuff to weed out the "less than enthused" individuals. even worse would be to have them use the kill one of our squadmates  cuz they were indoctrinated loops.
The ONLY squadmate i could picture doing a double cross would be VS. but even that would be a serious stretch. it would be lousy if they did it cuz of alliances or indoctrination.....survivors guilt would work...course it have to be due to a serious conversation fail on the player's part.

Modifié par corporal doody, 21 mai 2011 - 02:54 .

[Robhuzz]

corporal doody wrote...

i hope there is no kind of cheesy cliche' double cross scenario. Shep has been to hell back with squadmates...some more than once. that should be more than enuff to weed out the "less than enthused" individuals. even worse would be to have them use the kill one of our squadmates  cuz they were indoctrinated loops.
The ONLY squadmate i could picture doing a double cross would be VS. but even that would be a serious stretch. it would be lousy if they did it cuz of alliances or indoctrination.....survivors guilt would work...course it have to be due to a serious conversation fail on the player's part.

The concept of betrayal.... When people betray someone, they do it either for revenge (I don't see any character wanting to exact revenge on shepard, at least not paragon shepard) or because the reward for them is greater. Considering that if shepard loses the entire galaxy (including the betrayer) is doomed, I don't see why someone would betray shepard.

VS(after shooting shepard in the back): I wanted to do that ever since I saw you again on horizon!
Garrus: What the hell did you do?!
VS: To take revenge on shepard for... all those things!
Garrus: Don't you realise we're now doomed?!
VS: Hell no! I'm a spectre too, I can handle it.
*Harbinger drops out of FTL next to normandy sr -2*
Harbinger: Your species has reached the end of the line
VS: Hell n...
*Harbinger blows up normandy*

Game over

The only way I see a squadmate could betray shepard is through indoctrination, which would make a really lame (though dramatic) scene imo.

[TMA LIVE]

So has anyone asked Patrick Weekes if he's writing Liara in ME3? He probably can't say, since even if he is, he might get replaced by another writer later on.

[IndigoWolfe]

TMA LIVE wrote...

So has anyone asked Patrick Weekes if he's writing Liara in ME3? He probably can't say, since even if he is, he might get replaced by another writer later on.

I think it's likely that Mac Walters will continue to write for Liara in ME3. Not that I mind; he's proven himself capable of writing her character in a satisfying way.

[SilentNukee]

Do you think Liara will enter her Matron stage early in life?