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[Fiery Phoenix]

Every time I go to Baskin Robbins and see their grape ice cream (which happens to have exactly the same color as Liara), I joke to myself "Thessian ice cream!".

[jlb524]

Mash Mashington wrote...

i can't believe there's still no art of Liara sending ice cream in little apron. pony-patterned one

What color should the ponies be?

Anything but fuschia.

[Erani]

jlb524 wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

i can't believe there's still no art of Liara sending ice cream in little apron. pony-patterned one

What color should the ponies be?

Anything but fuschia.

I like blue ponies. <3

Modifié par Erani, 24 mai 2011 - 02:55 .

[jlb524]

Mash Mashington wrote...

 actually it should be a Baskin Robbins promo trailer

rainbow colored ponies and this playing in the background

Why is this so cute?

B/C IT IS

*I wonder if the little hat will fit on her head with those dealies in the way?*

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mash Mashington wrote...

 actually it should be a Baskin Robbins promo trailer

rainbow colored ponies and this playing in the background

Oh my, yes! 

[TMA LIVE]

I do agree that her career has an affect on how she acts as a character. It's even apart of her character in the moment. I'm just saying her being the Shadow Broker shouldn't be all Liara is. Or her being in power is the main focus of making her worth a ****. I care more about learning if she's going to tell her father to go to hell, or her thoughts on her race, or becoming more harden by the events during the war, etc. then if she's in power or not.

However, if the Shadow Broker base meant nothing in ME3, then I will be disappointed. I'm just saying being the Shadow Broker shouldn't be all Liara is. Or her getting more power. You can make her still a great character, and have her retire, and become a teacher. You don't need characters to become queens and kings.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 mai 2011 - 04:34 .

[jlb524]

I'm not worried about that if they are going with less squad mates and more development with them (including banter). I don't see Liara being a 2D character that only exists for the plot.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

There this thing I just realised.

It's the paragon option to confront Garrus and call him out on his crazy revenge scheme. But apperently it's renegade to call Liara out on her vendetta. Why is that?

Maybe Bioware thinks that saying anything bad to Liara is evil by default?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 mai 2011 - 06:10 .

[jlb524]

Garrus' vendetta always seemed petty to me while Liara was trying to take down a corrupt organization headed by someone that wanted to sell Shepard's remains to the Collectors/Reapers.

[TheMarshal]

Yeah, there's the fact that Garrus is completely motivated by vengeance for a slight against him whereas Liara is driven not only by the desire to seek revenge for someone else (two someone else-s), but also to take down someone who would willingly work with creatures as perverse as the Collectors.

[Master Wolf]

Liara is doing that not only for revenge she is doig that to stop the Shadow Broker someone that is working with the collectors, and to save Feron to pay her debt to him. Trying to stop her is like stoping Miranda to save her sister.

[corporal doody]

Master Wolf wrote...

Liara is doing that not only for revenge she is doig that to stop the Shadow Broker someone that is working with the collectors, and to save Feron to pay her debt to him. Trying to stop her is like stoping Miranda to save her sister.

word

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

There this thing I just realised.

It's the paragon option to confront Garrus and call him out on his crazy revenge scheme. But apperently it's renegade to call Liara out on her vendetta. Why is that?

Maybe Bioware thinks that saying anything bad to Liara is evil by default?

That's because it is.

But seriously, like some have mentioned before it's got to do with motivations. Obviously attempting to save Sidonis' life is a paragon action so I don't see any problems there. When calling Liara out on her vendetta Shepard is driven more by emotions rather than to save someone, and it sounds pretty mean so I guess that's why it's a renegade action.

I don't mind Bioware thinking saying something bad/mean to Liara is evil though, I mean... who would do that?

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I don't really think renegade Shep wants to be mean to Liara either though. I guess some renegade options are just being an a-hole, even if I don't think that's what being renegade is about.

Modifié par Sarcastic Tasha, 24 mai 2011 - 07:20 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

There this thing I just realised.

It's the paragon option to confront Garrus and call him out on his crazy revenge scheme. But apperently it's renegade to call Liara out on her vendetta. Why is that?

Maybe Bioware thinks that saying anything bad to Liara is evil by default?

No, it isn't. The calling Liara out option is left or right, not paragon or renegade. And the paragon option is to say you're not going to help her.

[Robhuzz]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't really think renegade Shep wants to be mean to Liara either though. I guess some renegade options are just being an a-hole, even if I don't think that's what being renegade is about.

Well most of the time when picking renegade dialogue options Shepard is either skeptic, negative, uncaring or downright mean. I would definitely call such a person an a-hole.

Actually 'jerk' is a better word to describe renegade Shepard when talking to friendly people. Ruthless efficiency is a good term to describe renegade Shepard when making descisions and stuff.

No, it isn't. The calling Liara out option is left or right, not paragon or renegade. And the paragon option is to say you're not going to help her.

I understand why it isn't but THAT should've been a renegade option 

Modifié par Robhuzz, 24 mai 2011 - 07:30 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, there's the fact that Garrus is completely motivated by vengeance for a slight against him whereas Liara is driven not only by the desire to seek revenge for someone else (two someone else-s), but also to take down someone who would willingly work with creatures as perverse as the Collectors.

But does Shepard really know all the details regarding the SB's dealing with the Collectors until the end? All Shepard knows for the most part is that Liara is seeking pay-back for someone who killed her friend.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't really think renegade Shep wants to be mean to Liara either though. I guess some renegade options are just being an a-hole, even if I don't think that's what being renegade is about.

Well most of the time when picking renegade dialogue options Shepard is either skeptic, negative, uncaring or downright mean. I would definitely call such a person an a-hole.

Actually 'jerk' is a better word to describe renegade Shepard when talking to friendly people. Ruthless efficiency is a good term to describe renegade Shepard when making descisions and stuff.

But the lower dialog options are the only way in the Illium cameo where Shepard actually shows concern and calling Liara out on the fact that she spend two years getting bloody vengance. Sure the paragon option during the observer briefing has Shepard stating that he won't do it. In which Liara begins to emotionally blackmail him by simply stating that more lives will be lost if he remains passive.

And paragon Shepard still never calls Liara out on it. Aside from perhaps the ending.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

@Robhuzz there are plenty of "jerk" responses for renegade Shep (in ME1 I couldn't find a nice way of turning Kaidan down) but others are just telling people straight with no coddling. Some of the bottom options during the Liara romance were better than the top options imo, top options were a bit too mushy where as the bottom options tended to be a bit cheeky.

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

But does Shepard really know all the details regarding the SB's dealing with the Collectors until the end? All Shepard knows for the most part is that Liara is seeking pay-back for someone who killed her friend.

Right in the begining of the misson Shpard knows that Feron is alive, so Shepard is on a rescue misson of someone that helped save him. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But does Shepard really know all the details regarding the SB's dealing with the Collectors until the end? All Shepard knows for the most part is that Liara is seeking pay-back for someone who killed her friend.

Right in the begining of the misson Shpard knows that Feron is alive, so Shepard is on a rescue misson of someone that helped save him. 

I am talking about the Illium cameo. Shepard knows that Liara is after the SB because he captured her friend. But that was two years ago and from an in-universe perspective. Thinking that this friend is still alive is a wee-bit wishfull thinking.

[Master Wolf]

Lizardviking wrote...

Master Wolf wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But does Shepard really know all the details regarding the SB's dealing with the Collectors until the end? All Shepard knows for the most part is that Liara is seeking pay-back for someone who killed her friend.

Right in the begining of the misson Shpard knows that Feron is alive, so Shepard is on a rescue misson of someone that helped save him. 

I am talking about the Illium cameo. Shepard knows that Liara is after the SB because he captured her friend. But that was two years ago and from an in-universe perspective. Thinking that this friend is still alive is a wee-bit wishfull thinking.

What Shepard knows from the Ilium cameo depends if you start the SB misson or not, if you start it you get one version if not you get a different version explaning the exact same thing now, in other words the version in the cameo is the short and incomplete explanation, when you hand Liara the SB information you get a more complete explanation and you can clearly see that is more to Liara misson than just vengence.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Yeah, there's the fact that Garrus is completely motivated by vengeance for a slight against him whereas Liara is driven not only by the desire to seek revenge for someone else (two someone else-s), but also to take down someone who would willingly work with creatures as perverse as the Collectors.

But does Shepard really know all the details regarding the SB's dealing with the Collectors until the end? All Shepard knows for the most part is that Liara is seeking pay-back for someone who killed her friend.

Liara mentions 'He [The Shadow Broker] was going to sell you to the collectors, but Feron and I stopped him' So yes, Shepard knew about the SB's dealing with the collectors. I found when talking to Liara about getting the shadow broker, Shepard didn't really care either why Liara was after him (despite asking her) since he offered to help anyway.