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[Mr.House]

Also remember Aethyta was a matriarch too and left because she was berated for her ideas of developing new tech and such, that's one possible reason why Benezia kept it secret from Liara because she knew that Aethyta was shamed. It's also possible that Aethyta has yet to tell Liara she is her "father" and just befriended Liara and is keeping that secret.



/rant

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I can't really see any other reason as to why they'd insert it.

Also, now that it has been inserted (and the majority of LotSB players expect that Aethyta is the second parent) I doubt they will reveal another parent for Liara in the future.

[Master Shiori]

I doubt Aethyta even met Liara. She might have caught sight of her a few times on Illyum but I doubt they became acquainted.



Considering how focussed Liara was on finding the Shadow Broker and possibly Faron, I imagine her daily routine consisted of little else than commuting between her apartment and office. I doubt she'd take time to visit Eternity Lounge and have a few drinks.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I think they did know each other (Liara and Aethyta). Perhaps Liara did go down to Eternity to catch a break from time to time. Aethyta might have tried her best to get close to Liara.

[JamieCOTC]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What happens if the friendship or romance is not reaffirmed?

If you are in a romance and then do not reaffirm the romance, you get this.  She is visably stunned. 

When Shep says "No" to coming up to the cabin she will look back at Shep and get this expression.  Hard to judge if this is supposed to be "I don't like you nay more" or "You hurt me" or what. 

Bonding Ceremony - Don't know what BW has in store or even if this will make it into the game.  I know what I would like, but I suspect if it is in, it'll will be handle right before the final batttle and resmble the ME2 unition w/ much less side boob. 

[ryu niiyama]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote…

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that the general public would be aware of Shepard's relationship with Liara, and the SR-1's crew in general. Reason being is that Kasumi will comment on Shepard's romance with Liara, and state that she heard that the pair of them were romantically involved. To me, this indicates that, following the Battle of the Citadel and Shepard's role in its success, the gutter press and media would have attempted to dig up as much dirt as possible about Shepard, and her private life. The Normandy's crew would have been interviewed extensively, and the general public would have been eager to learn about the individuals who saved the Citadel from Saren and Sovereign. I don't think Shepard's actions are really a secret, and neither are those of the Normandy's crew. People on the Citadel will comment about Shepard's role in stopping Saren, and Liara will also mention that she has acquired a great deal of respect and influence as a result of her time spent as a member of Shepard's crew. The general public are fully aware of the actions of these individuals. Given this, and the fact that Aethyta obviously misses Liara, and also may have been monitoring her, I think she's fully aware of Shepard's identity, and the nature of her relationship with Liara.

Regarding Benezia, I don't think the Citadel Council would have made knowledge of indoctrination and the Reapers public, in order to avoid mass panic and civil unrest. It would be a great deal easier to deceive people into believing that she was a traitor, and allow the public to revile her. They certainly didn't exonerate Saren, and have allowed him to take full responsibility of what occurred, citing the fact that he was a powerful and charismatic individual.

Well I suppose that's what I get for not really finding the new squad that interesting. I didn't pay as much attention to the side dialogue (didn't know about the Kasumi bit). As far as Liara's influence/respect quote…. Well Ilium is Omega with nice window dressing. I would think that the people Liara is getting respect from are likely people that have more than normal access to information. Though I could be wrong. I usually am. 

I can see your point with the indoctrination bit but Benezia would not have made a good fall guy. She caused no public disturbances. No one died at Noveria because of her (directly) rachni and geth… and the guards … did all the wet work. When Benezia got involved directly the only ones who saw it and walked out alive were Shepard and co. Saren was the one running around attacking colonies. Kinda hard to cover that up. Benezia at worse however could have been "seduced" (using Turian quotes here lol) by Saren "Mr. Charisma" Aterius. . Joking aside even as Saren's supposed right hand due to the lack of recorded destructive actions by Benezia I would think it would be possible to clear her name. Shiala for instance is not cast in a negative light either…. cause the only people that saw her do anything destructive was Shepard and co. Even taking into account that Feros is in the middle of nowhere I think that is still a valid argument.

Saren was the face of "Geth" invasion. Plus the Council fell all over themselves trying to defend him in the beginning, so yeah Sovereign could had walked Saren in on puppet strings and they still would have blamed him.

Modifié par ryu niiyama, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

If you are in a romance and then do not reaffirm the romance, you get this.  She is visably stunned. 

JamieCOTC wrote...

Bonding Ceremony - Don't know what BW has in store or even if this will make it into the game.  I know what I would like, but I suspect if it is in, it'll will be handle right before the final batttle and resmble the ME2 unition w/ much less side boob. 

You mean the ME1 union?

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RE:  Benezia

I doubt her name has been tarnished because of what happened with Saren.  For one, I think that might have hindered Liara on Illium as an Information Broker being the daughter of a traitor.  As mentioned, her involvement was probably not made public.  Also, she was a well respected Matriarch and people may not believe it when they hear rumors that Benezia had something to do with Saren.

[ryu niiyama]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do understand your position, ryu. However, from a meta-perspective, I think that LotSB video functions as a virtual confirmation of Aethyta's status as Liara's other parent. I can't really see any other reason as to why they'd insert it.

It's fun to speculate, though!

I suppose. It just bothers me that if they are going to delve Liara's parentage why is it not stated outright. I say this because we don't see family members unless they play a role in the story (Benezia and Tali's dad for instance). Ashley and Spacer Shepard's family are heard not seen. If our resident bartender is Liara's sire she better end up being a Spectre or something… I just hope she's not evil. 

[jbauck]

I always saw the Benezia/Aethyta thing working out like this: Aethyta presents her ideas, and the blue is laughed off her ass. Despite their relationship, Benezia in no way supports/defends her, caring more about her career than her partner. Aethyta is understandably hurt and pissed, and leaves. Benezia eventually regrets letting Aethyta go, but doesn't know how to fix it. Aethyta remains hurt, angry, and bitter about how everything happened, and deeply regrets never meeting her daughter. After a little over a century and the whole Saren thing, Aethyta is especially angry and bitter that, after basically choosing her career over her relationship, Benezia joined up with Saren and betrayed everyone - hence calling her a "screw-up".



Also, I may have found the optimal way to incorporate LotSB into ME2:



Step 1) Do the Observer quests on Illium.

Step 2) Go immediately to the Captain's Cabin and save the game

Step 3) Play LotSB

Step 4) Restore the Captain's Cabin save

Step 5) Headcanon in "Shepard wakes up from an awesome dream"

Step 6) Finish ME2

Step 7) Play LotSB again

[pacer90]

LET the fact that Benezia had a rachni queen would not help her cause either, in keeping with your argument.

Modifié par pacer90, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[MillaShepard]

I'm not sure if you all already know this but, if you go to Illium and talk to "Matriarch Aethyta" after getting drunk (approx 3 drinks) she looks completely different. Try it, it's weird, and.... What does it mean?!?!?!?! You're pretty when i'm drunk???

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MillaShepard wrote...

I'm not sure if you all already know this but, if you go to Illium and talk to "Matriarch Aethyta" after getting drunk (approx 3 drinks) she looks completely different. Try it, it's weird, and.... What does it mean?!?!?!?! You're pretty when i'm drunk???

It means Shepard got himself a broken pair of beer goggles. Because Aethyta looks ugly when Shepard is drunk!

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Aethyta is aware of Benezia's involvement, though. Additionally, she also calls her a "screw-up", implying that she believes Benezia was at fault. Whilst Aethyta is certainly not representative of what the average asari or member of the public believes, I think it's a good indication of what the general opinion is. Furthermore, during the Therum debriefing, the Turian Councilor does indeed refer to her as a traitor.

I just think it would be easier for the Citadel Council to allow Benezia's reputation to be tarnished, and paint her as a willing accomplice of Saren. Had they attempted to exonerate her with vague excuses regarding Saren's charisma, the media and public are going to begin to ask questions, something which the Council is keen to avoid. In the wake of Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, it would have been alot easier to paint Benezia as Saren's aide, and bury the issue quickly and cleanly.

Lastly, Maeko Matsuo and her guards become aware of the fact that Benezia was concealing active geth in the crates she was transporting, and comments as such after Shepard fights them in the Port Hanshan garage. Han Olar also witnesses geth kill the guard at Peak 15, again linking them to both Saren and Benezia, who was a known presence in the Hot Labs, and became eventually known as an accomplice of Saren.

Not dismissing the rest of your theory, but Han Olar wouldn't count as a reliable witness. His email indicates he went a little off the deep end after the events at Peak 15. Whether or not Maeko Matsuo would be able to testify to anything is also an issue. She's employed by the corporations and they like to keep their secrets.

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

scampermax wrote...

Not dismissing the rest of your theory, but Han Olar wouldn't count as a reliable witness. His email indicates he went a little off the deep end after the events at Peak 15. Whether or not Maeko Matsuo would be able to testify to anything is also an issue. She's employed by the corporations and they like to keep their secrets.

Hmmm. Yeah, that's a good point. Are there not two scientists also present in that room, though? I shall be playing through Noveria tomorrow, so I should be able to check then!

Regardless, I do think Benezia's involvement with Saren was well-known. Aethyta mentions it offhand, as if it's common knowledge.

There are the two scientists who tell Olar to shut it. There's also the doctor you can help with a cure. There's probably enough witnesses that they couldn't all be kept quiet.

What about the survivors from Normandy SR-1? Liara makes it clear they all know about Benezia and distrust her because of that. Perhaps some of them talked later on. Especially if they were of the same opinion of the Alliance keeping things quiet as Ken & Gabby.

[jwalker]

scampermax wrote...

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What about the survivors from Normandy SR-1? Liara makes it clear they all know about Benezia and distrust her because of that. Perhaps some of them talked later on. Especially if they were of the same opinion of the Alliance keeping things quiet as Ken & Gabby.

I agree. Security and discretion aren't the best assets on the Normandy. Not on SR-1, nor on SR-2. At some point, everybody seems to know everything.

[ACC3SS]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

snip



ME - Shepard's Present

Totally made my day ^-^

[jlb524]

Even if everyone knows about Benezia's involvement I don't think that necessarily means that the asari have blacklisted her or think of her as a traitor as this was only one bad mark in her many hundreds of years of life.



I just won't believe it until it's made clear in game.

[jwalker]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

There should and be Security, not no Security while on ships. You could and can get attacked, partied and or boarded. There should be privacy as well, especially to Shep and LI. That did be bad if everyone knew something. Shep, LI, closest Ally and Head Security should know of everyone on board. To be safe and secured.

What ? 
Sorry, I don't understand.