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Whatever they do. I hope Mass effect 3 won't be another walk in the park like the Collector base. Somebody should be forced to make the sacrifice.

@Lizard
A reversed ending with Liara being apparently gone and
Shepard worried would be awesome. Include some sad tune and a properly
done 'sad Shepard' and it would be a great scene. I'd certainly be glued
to my screen if that happened. It goes without saying Liara will
actually have to survive that part though...


Liara definetly have to be alive in such a scene. Would be unbearable otherwise... :blush:

Or perhaps Shepard could just throw her body into a freezer. Sell some cookies and lemonade on the Citadel. Scrounge up 4 billion credits and BAM! Project Lazarus 2,0.

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TheMarshal wrote...

@Robhuzz - I don't recall hearing anything concrete, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm curious, though, if it's going to be 'post-game' content, 'in-game' content, appearance packs, or what. 'Post-game' content (minus romance 'wrap-ups') would be weird. What is it, is the last Reaper still tootling around the galaxy or something?


We can only guess about potential DLC, I hope it'll be some kind of closing DLC, if the closing scenes of ME3 aren't enough that is. Since ME3 would end Shepard's story and a DLC shouldn't contain an entirely new story I can't imagine another threat surfacing and Shepard would have to combat it. I think he also deserves some rest after ME3, spending some quality time with his blue angel would be a nice reward :)

@Lizard

Let's just keep Liara alive in ME3 and we won't need a project lazarus.

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I don´t know if this count for all Asari but has anyone else noticed that Liara's skin is more "scaly" (I know it is not the right word to use. But my vocabulary is limited.) compared to human skin? It's more visible the closer it is to the fringe and when in shadow.

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Lizardviking wrote...

I don´t know if this count for all Asari but has anyone else noticed that Liara's skin is more "scaly" (I know it is not the right word to use. But my vocabulary is limited.) compared to human skin? It's more visible the closer it is to the fringe and when in shadow.


I think Samara has the same thing.  It's likely just more noticeable with squaddie faces, since they're probably getting higher-res textures than the rest of the asari.

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Lizardviking wrote...

I don´t know if this count for all Asari but has anyone else noticed that Liara's skin is more "scaly" (I know it is not the right word to use. But my vocabulary is limited.) compared to human skin? It's more visible the closer it is to the fringe and when in shadow.


Asari genetics, I know, but I like to think that's a subtle hint at Liara's "heritage."  Her grand-grand-pappy would have been a krogan.  Krogan have scales.  Though, Liara's "scales" look more silvery, like fish-scales, and asari are supposed to have a vaguely aquatic look to them.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I don´t know if this count for all Asari but has anyone else noticed that Liara's skin is more "scaly" (I know it is not the right word to use. But my vocabulary is limited.) compared to human skin? It's more visible the closer it is to the fringe and when in shadow.


Asari genetics, I know, but I like to think that's a subtle hint at Liara's "heritage."  Her grand-grand-pappy would have been a krogan.  Krogan have scales.  Though, Liara's "scales" look more silvery, like fish-scales, and asari are supposed to have a vaguely aquatic look to them.


Yeah. Fishlike scales perhaps? It not like the scales on a lizard. Liara's scales are very sleek (if you can say that).

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yorkj86 wrote...

Asari genetics, I know, but I like to think that's a subtle hint at Liara's "heritage."  Her grand-grand-pappy would have been a krogan.  Krogan have scales.  Though, Liara's "scales" look more silvery, like fish-scales, and asari are supposed to have a vaguely aquatic look to them.


It's probably a higher texture thing, but I go with it.
Aethyta has some markings on her cheeks which indicates her heritage. They don't look like Liaras "scale" at all. Maybe it's from Benezia, we don't know what her fringe looked like.

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The skin texturing was definitely new for LotSB but I liked it. It made it look that bit more realistic, I felt. The asari are based on an aquatic origin so I find a kind of 'scaly' look quite believable. :)

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centauri2002 wrote...

The skin texturing was definitely new for LotSB but I liked it. It made it look that bit more realistic, I felt. The asari are based on an aquatic origin so I find a kind of 'scaly' look quite believable. :)


It did make her look more exotic. But in a good way! :innocent:

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Hello fellow Liara fans, I thought I'd drop by and post how I feel about Liara. 

Wall of text incoming. Repost from another forum. Word count of over 2k and lots of praise:

I think Liara, even pre-LotSB, is the best written character we've seen. The more and more I look into it the more and more her character depth pokes it's head out. Let's run through this. 

ME1: (romance included)

Liara is the daughter of one of the main villains and she is the one to decipher Shepard's visions. This gives her plot ties unlike any other character. Liara was raised well due to her mother's position but always rebelled against what was expected of her. Instead of being a typical asari, she went her own path. Liara is immensely intelligent, and used her education and talents to become a successful archaeologist. (successful enough at least) She's passionate about her work even when everyone around her discriminates against her because of something as trivial as age. Liara discovered the extinction cycle all on her own. That alone is astounding. She knows she is right but no one believes her, but instead of just packing up and going home she keeps at it and refuses to quit, refuses to give up on what she has discovered. So she goes to Therum right back into work, when Saren tries to capture/kill her. So what does she do? She shows she has flaws and gets herself trapped. This is both a way to show that she isn't perfect as well as let the player save her. (something for people who want to White-Knight everyone. I don't like it, but it does what is needed well enough.)

So Liara is saved by Shepard and helps decipher the visions. This forms a bond between Liara and Shepard that no one else can really have with him, she's the only person who understand what he is going through. Liara is the only available asari, the only person who knows about the extinction cycle, and she has knowledge of the protheans that few others have. This makes her one of the few (if any others exist) who can solve these visions and help stop Saren. HUGE plot ties. 

Joining with Shepard lets her see a part of him that few others do. She gets to swim around in his/her brain. Combine this knowledge/exposure to him that no one else has, the fact the s/he saved her life, and his/her prothean/reaper/extinction connection that no one else has, and Liara is immediately interested in getting to know Shepard better. Why wouldn't she be? Did you read everything I just listed? That's one hell of a base for a relationship. Problem is, she has been dedicated to her work all her life so she has very little expose to social normalities, much less humans. So instead of being subtle, she is forced ot be very awkward and blunt. This leads to the rambling/flustered opening. Clear attempt to draw in fans of that archetype. And ya know what? They did damn well. There's enough there to DAWW over but not so much that it's annoying or all her characters insists of. 

But ya know what? She learns from her mistake sort of and gets to know Shepard through casual conversation and looking him/her up. She didn't want to upset Shepard so she went behind his/her back to learn some more. Another little mistake because of her lack of social interaction. Just enough to display her loner tendencies but not too much to hit you over the head with it. But a time comes where she has to be blunt and ask if you're interested in anything more. She has become absolute drawn to Shepard and she wants to explore that further. So Shepard says yes (for this analysis, she is romanced) and they continue on saving the world. But she gets nervous about the future, and is even mature and level-headed enough to ask Shepard if they can shelve their relationship for now. There's more important things to focus on and she recognizes that. This is a very mature thing coming from a character in such an archetype. Something very few in the same category EVER display. 

So let's go to Noveria. She helps Shepard fight through her mothers defenses and eventually confront her. Liara has an emotional outburst with her "WHAT COULD I SAY?!" line. Seeing firsthand how much her mother had changed shook her a bit. But she was level-headed enough to not freak out and break down. She can see that her mother isn't who she was and knows she must be stopped so she helps you take Benezia down. She sees that she was corrupted by Saren, but still wants to save her. She still holds hope that something can be done. Certainly not unreasonable, she doesn't want to just watch her mother die. She cries out as her mother dies and seems almost torn down. But this doesn't stop her from continuing on. Get back to the ship and she's already come to terms with it. She knows that that wasn't Benezia she killed, it was what Saren turned her into. She shows her ability to maturely and objectively assess the situation that is scary almost. She doesn't get caught up in the fact that her mother is now dead. Benezia was effectively "dead" as soon as she was corrupted by Saren and she accepts that. She's even proud of what she tried to do, to try and stop Saren. 

As for other stances she holds throughout the game: she always tries to do what is best and she is reasonable about it. Why kill the rachni queen for crimes it did not commit? Why kill the colonists when they can be safely knocked out? etc.

Skip toward the end of the game, and she FEELS BAD FOR SAREN! The same person who has been trying to kill them, has killed hundreds of people, and who basically tore her mother away from her! This is just crazy almost, but it shows how developed she is and how objectively she can asses situations. Just like Benezia was corrupted, Saren was too, by Sovereign. She does something even my Shepard can't do and feels bad for Saren because at one time he was only trying to do what was best but was corrupted, just like Benezia. 

Next stop: Normandy lock down. Everything they have done was practically torn down for nothing, they were being forced to sit put while they knew what Saren was actually planning. But Liara holds onto optimism and faith in Shepard at the locker scene. (this isn't unique to Liara, but it's nice and IC nonetheless) She has no real qualms with stealing the Normandy like some other squadmates, she knows it's the right thing she can look past the moral qualms about stealing from the Alliance. But now that they're headed head first toward the fire, Liara reignites the relationship with Shepard. She had previously put it off for the sake of the mission but she realizes that it's now or never.

So Shepard dies and Cerberus comes to her for help. See this through her eyes. AN organization known for sick experiments that she helped combat comes to her and asks her help to get her lover's body back because they may be able to bring him/her back. This has gotta be crazy for her. But her determination to not let a piece of meat fall into the wrong hands drives her forward. She's even skeptical that a resurrection is even possible, yet she goes through hell all for a body. Again strong plot ties. 

So ME2 rolls around and she's driven with revenge. She had been mourning for 2 years. In those 2 years she went through hell and back. But along the way, a guy she even mildly disliked sacrificed himself for her and Shepard's body. She eventually chose the body of her dead lover over a living person who had done all he could to assure that Liara got Shepard's body. She had to have been guilt stricken over that choice. She didn't even know if Shepard could be brought back but she DID know that Feron would be killed/taken. Being consumed by revenge is really believable to me. Liara didn't know what was going on with Shepard's body but she did know what she had done. What else was she to do? Wait to see what happened with Shepard's body? No. But she knew she had to avenge Feron so that consumed her life. She built herself up as a really successful info broker to do so as well, that was certainly not an easy feat. 

But all of a sudden Liara starts hearing reports about a person matching Shepard's description going around wrecking sh*t. I think she was scared sh*tless, Was it really him? Was he REALLY back? In a way I think she was scared ot find out the truth because of how crushing it would be. So she continues on being an info broker. Might as well stick to an assignment she is positive of. And then Shepard walks into her office. The initial joy of seeing Shep leads to the opening kiss but almost immediately Liara starts treading carefully. It's been 2 years and s/he's suddenly back? She is weary that they could continue their relationship, 2 years is a lot of time and they both have really important jobs to do. What was she supposed to do? Drop her work of 2 years and jump into Shepard's arms not knowing if Shepard would drop her when she jumped? So she played it safe. Just because Shepard was back did not mean that Feron all of a sudden didn't deserve justice or that Shepard still didn't have an important job to do. She trusts Shepard to get his/her job done so they go about their own business. For now at least. Even sends Shepard on a few errands she needed help with. She had a honey-do list just waiting for Shepard. (/joke)

Then all of a sudden Shepard returns (whenever it is) and brings with him/her answers to Liara's work over the past 2 years. Liara's apartment shows how much she truly cared for Shepard with the photo and the destroyed armor; Liara hadn't forgotten about Shepard like many people thought when ME2 released. They immediately get started on it and chase down Feron and the Broker. Liara's determination and desire for revenge show themselves some more in how engulfed she has become in her mission. She eventually breaks down momentarily after killing Vasir. She doesn't know what to feel about Shepard, it had been 2 freaking years after all. Liara even snaps at you if you moved on with her little LI-specific comments. Another flaw rearing it's head. (but she eventually understands if Shepard moves on) So they finally free Feron and kill the Shadow broker. At the climax of her 2 year journey she is rewarded. She knows she can't pass up being the broker. The reapers are coming and Shepard needs all the help he can get. Liara HAS been a info broker for a while now and she is presented with a perfect opportunity. She can't just throw all of the info away; Shepard needs it, the galaxy needs it. So Liara does all she can to help prepare, and eventually fight, the reapers. Liara is now one of the most important people in the galaxy, her role in the upcoming war will be an exponentially large one. Again, we see HUGE ties to the plot. 

But all this time she has changed somewhat. She still holds onto part of her old self but she is even more hardened. Liara had accomplished so much yet she is afraid to push things with Shepard. She wants him/her but doesn't want to put any pressure on Shep. After all this sh*t, she is still being selfless. She makes Shepard make the first move but she is overjoyed that he/she wanted her back after so much time. Even if Shepard started another relationship, she refuses to just throw away what they had. She's also an asari so her views on relationships understandably may be different than the average human. After losing almost everything over the course of 2 years, Liara now has everything: the perfect job, her lover, and her friend has been saved. Now that she has all of that, she moves forward to try and do everything she can to preserve that by using her skills and job to defeat the reapers. 

TL:DR- Liara may have more screentime and content and anyone else, but it was certainly not wasted. She's awesome.

EDIT for typo

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 28 mai 2011 - 11:09 .


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Wow, one of the better walls of text I've read in a long while.

It did a great job of articulating a lot of the reasons why I like Liara that I had previously been unable to.

Although it probably could have been its own thread. Especially if you're looking for an opinion that differs at all from "I agree completely". :lol:

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 Thanks, it took me some time to articulate all of that. 

And yeah it could probably have been its own thread. :lol: 

I just figured I'd drop by and share my thoughts about one of my favorite characters since I had yet to do so here. 

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Oh my that was a wall of text, but very well written, good job!

After losing almost everything over the course of 2 years, Liara now
has everything: the perfect job, her lover, and her friend has been
saved. Now that she has all of that, she moves forward to try and do
everything she can to preserve that by using her skills and job to
defeat the reapers.


I think Liara is very motivated for ME3 ;)

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Liara is very fleshed out, so she oughta be the best character -- not to mention she is basically a canon friend, and I would argue canon romance or at the very least the romance BioWare wants you to have.

I like Liara's personality a bunch. She has the girl next door feel, the social akwardness, and the damsel in distress in ME1. I'm a sucker for all three. I also like how she is interested in history and archaeology(two of my favorite topics). My Shepard's feel very connected to her since she truly knows what is going on inside my head. It is a unique relationship the two share. Liara then becomes a strong and determined women in ME2. She excells at her work on Illium and has arguably one of the most powerful people in the galaxy fearing her. She makes a seemingly perfect transition from idealstic/naive paragon to a powerful level headed paragade.

Basically where I'm going with this is she is too perfect/Mary Sue for me. She is awesome but too awesome. I know that is a silly reason to dislike a character(you like her too much cmon?!). I romanced the heck out of her on my first few Shepards. I like Miranda more now. Although her romance is a bit iffy. Liara's romance kills Mirandas in any shape or form, but that isn't Miranda's fault that is her writer(s). I find Miranda to be more interesting now because she has flaws. I struggle to find any true flaws in Liara other than her need for Shepard, but that need can be achieved through friendship or romance, so I don't feel anything special by romancing her.

I still enjoy Liara's character very much and she is one of my favorites, so I hope this isn't taken as a "bash post" or anything like that. Just posting my thoughts on a character in her thread.

edit: fixed bsn formatting

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@ Strive
I feel the same way regarding Liara's 'canon' romance since to me it feels like the most natural one. In all my playthroughs I've never romanced anyone but Liara so I know the others only from youtube vids, but still.

About Liara being too perfect, I'm also struggling to find a real flaw to her character, although let's not forget that, even though she's good at pretty much all she sets her mind to, she couldn't have done it (Therum, finding out about nyxeris, finding and defeating the Shadow broker) without Shepard's help. And I thought it was great that, on the balcony scene in Lotsb, she pointed out she's still leaning on Shepard for help, admitting that not even she can do everything on her own. Naturally you're allowed to share your opinion of Liara regardless whether you like or dislike her, as long as you refrain from hate and/or flame posts I suppose.

Lizardviking wrote...

I don´t know if this count for all Asari but has anyone else noticed that Liara's skin is more "scaly" (I know it is not the right word to use. But my vocabulary is limited.) compared to human skin? It's more visible the closer it is to the fringe and when in shadow.


I think Samara has the same thing.  It's likely just more noticeable with squaddie faces, since they're probably getting higher-res textures than the rest of the asari.


I noticed the unnamed asari on Illium (whom you give the locket to) also has a sort of scaly pattern on her cheeks. As for Liara, the 'scaly' pattern on her crest is very clear while on the normandy's shuttle on the way to the shadow broker base. It actually looks a lot like Morinth's at that point (though I'm not sure if I really want to compare Liara to Morinth in any possible way)

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tommyt_1994 wrote...

A great summary for why Liara is our favorite character! :wizard:

Robhuzz wrote...
I noticed the unnamed asari on Illium (whom
you give the locket to) also has a sort of scaly pattern on her cheeks.
As for Liara, the 'scaly' pattern on her crest is very clear while on
the normandy's shuttle on the way to the shadow broker base. It actually
looks a lot like Morinth's at that point (though I'm not sure if I
really want to compare Liara to Morinth in any possible way)


Both Liara and Morinth have alot in common.

Everyone is dying to embrace eternity with them [ba-dum-tish]!!

To be serious. I think Liara's flaw is her dedication. She her focus can seem like a dangerous obsession to some and alienate others. I think the Illium cameo shows that.

Regarding the scales. It seems to depend from Asari to Asari (still not my finale judgement). Just replayed LOTSB and Vasir's skin did not seem as scaley (need to take a second look though).

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Go team Liara.

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strive wrote...

Basically where I'm going with this is she is too perfect/Mary Sue for me. She is awesome but too awesome. I know that is a silly reason to dislike a character(you like her too much cmon?!). I romanced the heck out of her on my first few Shepards. I like Miranda more now. Although her romance is a bit iffy. Liara's romance kills Mirandas in any shape or form, but that isn't Miranda's fault that is her writer(s). I find Miranda to be more interesting now because she has flaws. I struggle to find any true flaws in Liara other than her need for Shepard, but that need can be achieved through friendship or romance, so I don't feel anything special by romancing her.


Liara is a paragon and all paragons are idealists in my opinion.
I think it all depends on the question: Do you think idealism is a positiv character trait?

I don't think so.
And after her idealistic view is shattered, do you think she is flawless in ME2?
Remember, when she asks you to find the Observer, what will she do if you don't help her? She will kill all of them, just because they have all connections to the SB.
She is ruthless in ME2 and LotSB, not something I would connect with a flawless character.
I don't think she is perfect at all.

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kumquats wrote...

strive wrote...

Basically where I'm going with this is she is too perfect/Mary Sue for me. She is awesome but too awesome. I know that is a silly reason to dislike a character(you like her too much cmon?!). I romanced the heck out of her on my first few Shepards. I like Miranda more now. Although her romance is a bit iffy. Liara's romance kills Mirandas in any shape or form, but that isn't Miranda's fault that is her writer(s). I find Miranda to be more interesting now because she has flaws. I struggle to find any true flaws in Liara other than her need for Shepard, but that need can be achieved through friendship or romance, so I don't feel anything special by romancing her.


Liara is a paragon and all paragons are idealists in my opinion.
I think it all depends on the question: Do you think idealism is a positiv character trait?

I don't think so.
And after her idealistic view is shattered, do you think she is flawless in ME2?
Remember, when she asks you to find the Observer, what will she do if you don't help her? She will kill all of them, just because they have all connections to the SB.
She is ruthless in ME2 and LotSB, not something I would connect with a flawless character.
I don't think she is perfect at all.


i agree. Liara is not Mary Sue or Perfection Incarnate. She has her flaws like a good character should. in ME1 she just had her safe bubble popped and forced into a set of circumstances that she was never fully prepared for. In ME2, she is dealing with the repercussions of those events (and the events that followed that were directly related) in the best way she can. She doesnt have alot of experience dealing in "the real world." Hanging out with Shep and crew (a krogan, a action-first turian, and alot of human military types) she learned the best way to get things done was by action and force (even a paragon shep got bloody to get the job done) rather than through diplomacy or sitting idly by. I really liked LotSB when Shep tried to get through the over-zealous Liara while at Azure. that dialogue and subsequent "personal" dialogue with her was the gravy on the mash-potatoes!

Liara is very passionate...as can be seen by her determination and extreme focus

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i agree. Liara is not Mary Sue or Perfection Incarnate. She has her flaws like a good character should. in ME1 she just had her safe bubble popped and forced into a set of circumstances that she was never fully prepared for. In ME2, she is dealing with the repercussions of those events (and the events that followed that were directly related) in the best way she can. She doesnt have alot of experience dealing in "the real world." Hanging out with Shep and crew (a krogan, a action-first turian, and alot of human military types) she learned the best way to get things done was by action and force (even a paragon shep got bloody to get the job done) rather than through diplomacy or sitting idly by. I really liked LotSB when Shep tried to get through the over-zealous Liara while at Azure. that dialogue and subsequent "personal" dialogue with her was the gravy on the mash-potatoes! 

Liara is very passionate...as can be seen by her determination and extreme focus


I'd have to agree with this post. In ME1 Liara is suddenly pulled from a 'safe' situation (that's how she felt while on remote digs) she's been in for 50 years and dragged into a conflict that threatened everyone in the galaxy. She's forced to adapt to Shepard and his crew (which she does admirably well) and in a similar way like Tali, develops and interest in the man/woman who helps her out and gets her trough a difficult time. All works out in ME1 and some sort of safety returns.

All this is taken away in ME2 with Shepard's death and all sense of stability (for lack of a better word) is suddenly gone. Everything also seems so much easier when Shepard is around, without Shepard Liara is suddenly faced with the realities of life. She faces another setback as feron is captured while she rescued Shepard. In my opinion this was the final straw that caused Liara to change into a much more dark and ruthless person.

Later in Lotsb (and a little in the illium cameo as well) it's shown that she hasn't really changed, deep inside she's still the 'real' Liara and by the end of Lotsb, while she's not the same person she was in ME1, I feel her personality has taken a step back towards who she was in ME1. I'm realling wondering as to what she's like in ME3.

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She went from one extreme to another extreme, but found the middle in LotSB.
I think in ME3, we will meet a Liara who will fight for the greater good, but she will be ready to make sacrafices.
And I want more awesome flirting during combat please :>
She is so good at it ;)

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kumquats wrote...
Liara is a paragon and all paragons are idealists in my opinion.
I think it all depends on the question: Do you think idealism is a positiv character trait?

I don't think so.
And after her idealistic view is shattered, do you think she is flawless in ME2?
Remember, when she asks you to find the Observer, what will she do if you don't help her? She will kill all of them, just because they have all connections to the SB.
She is ruthless in ME2 and LotSB, not something I would connect with a flawless character.
I don't think she is perfect at all.


Well in the paragraph above that I said she went from a (idealistic/naive) paragon to a level headed and powerful paragade. IMO she got rid of one of her flaws and became a more balanced character. Although there was a ruthless transition, but the outcome of it all left her without a flaw(why I said flawless transition). She is the ideal Paragade at the end of LotSB. At the end of LotSB I can't find a trait other than her neediness of Shepard that would be considered a character flaw or crutch, but you can not really count that one since all the characters need Shepard in some shape or form, because Commander Shepard is the king of Mary Sue.

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Andoth

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strive wrote...
 At the end of LotSB I can't find a trait other than her neediness of Shepard that would be considered a character flaw or crutch, but you can not really count that one since all the characters need Shepard in some shape or form, because Commander Shepard is the king of Mary Sue.


I don't think that's really a flaw of hers, I think it shows how she has grown.

All during ME2 and LotSB, she's had to rely on herself.  Everyone that she had surrounded herself with eventually stabbed her in the back.  She didn't even trust Shepard when she initially saw her/him because she wasn't sure if Cerberus had altered her/his personality.  Shepard even mentions her trying to do it all herself at Azure during the paragon interrupt scenes, and tries to assure her that it's okay to lean on others.  I think she starts to realize that it's okay to lean on others after the encounter with the Shadow Broker, for me though, I really think the scene that shows her it's okay is on the Normandy.  Shepard actually leans on Liara for emotional guidance, which I think is the first time we are actually given the chance to see how events are affecting Shepard.

All in all during this rambling I have been doing, I think it's a character strength for her to be able to rely on others, not that I am saying she should do it all the time, but that there is a time to do things yourself and there is a time to ask for help.

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Robhuzz

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So after playing Lotsb again I was wondering about the aftermath of the fight with the Shadow broker, we all know the very nice paragon interrupt and sobbing Liara but that's when you've romanced her in ME1. Does anyone know what the entire scene looks like if you haven't romanced her? Somehow I can't find any vids of this.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 mai 2011 - 04:21 .