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[corporal doody]

only playthrough i have that didnt romance Liara is my renegade Sheploo..and i have finished my run with him yet.

[kumquats]

strive wrote...

Well in the paragraph above that I said she went from a (idealistic/naive) paragon to a level headed and powerful paragade. IMO she got rid of one of her flaws and became a more balanced character. Although there was a ruthless transition, but the outcome of it all left her without a flaw(why I said flawless transition). She is the ideal Paragade at the end of LotSB. At the end of LotSB I can't find a trait other than her neediness of Shepard that would be considered a character flaw or crutch, but you can not really count that one since all the characters need Shepard in some shape or form, because Commander Shepard is the king of Mary Sue.

For me she turned into a renegade. But only because for me there are no "paragades" or "renegons".
But why does she need Shepard after LotSB?
Of course they all need Shepard for their Missions.
But I think there is a difference if you need Shepard for a Mission or if you need someone to keep you honest.
And she adds: "Relatively speaking."
Liara will play dirty in ME3 if it's nesecary to stop the Reapers.

And now I will go and Name my femShep Mary Sue. LoL

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

So after playing Lotsb again I was wondering about the aftermath of the fight with the Shadow broker, we all know the very nice paragon interrupt and sobbing Liara but that's when you've romanced her in ME1. Does anyone know what the entire scene looks like if you haven't romanced her? Somehow I can't find any vids of this.

The scenes play out similar until you get to the option on whether or not you should hug her. If you hug her as a friend then she will hold your hands while having a "thank you" look on her. She will then say "I have spent two years mourning you and Feron. And now I got you both back!".

Picking the lower option should have the same as always.

The aftermath of both scenes seems to be the same. Only that there seems to play some foreboding music when Shepard leaves...

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

So after playing Lotsb again I was wondering about the aftermath of the fight with the Shadow broker, we all know the very nice paragon interrupt and sobbing Liara but that's when you've romanced her in ME1. Does anyone know what the entire scene looks like if you haven't romanced her? Somehow I can't find any vids of this.

The scenes play out similar until you get to the option on whether or not you should hug her. If you hug her as a friend then she will hold your hands while having a "thank you" look on her. She will then say "I have spent two years mourning you and Feron. And now I got you both back!".

Picking the lower option should have the same as always.

The aftermath of both scenes seems to be the same. Only that there seems to play some foreboding music when Shepard leaves...

Thanks!

Yeah I figured she wouldn't kiss Shepard if he/she didn't romance her, and thus found another way to thank Shepard. It's good to know what happens though, wasn't willing to do a new playthrough not romancing Liara to find out.

Foreboding music huh? Wonder why they did that...

For me she turned into a renegade. But only because for me there are no "paragades" or "renegons".
But why does she need Shepard after LotSB? 
Of course they all need Shepard for their Missions.
But I think there is a difference if you need Shepard for a Mission or if you need someone to keep you honest.
And she adds: "Relatively speaking."
Liara will play dirty in ME3 if it's nesecary to stop the Reapers.

And now I will go and Name my femShep Mary Sue. LoL 

I figured she says that because the Shadow broker's business is still shady, no matter the way you look at it. The shadow broker holds the power balance of the galaxy by ensuring no party ever gets a meaningful advantage over another. Just look at the investment opportunities in the shadow broker base, these seem to be the things the shadow broker normally does. One who deals in stuff like this can't call him/herself completely honest so that's why Liara says 'relatively speaking'

As for Liara playing dirty in ME3, I'd rather see the base destroyed (this disallowing her to play dirty with the information) than Liara willingly leaving. That way there's nothing to go back to after ME3 and Liara might as well travel the galaxy with Shepard. Or settle down... Take your pick.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 mai 2011 - 06:08 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Thanks!

Yeah I figured she wouldn't kiss Shepard if he/she didn't romance her, and thus found another way to thank Shepard. It's good to know what happens though, wasn't willing to do a new playthrough not romancing Liara to find out.

Foreboding music huh? Wonder why they did that...

I can´t remember if it actually played if you treated her nicely throughout the entire ending. But if you did not show her any symphathy or care then some pretty dark music will play when she stands alone at the the console.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Thanks!

Yeah I figured she wouldn't kiss Shepard if he/she didn't romance her, and thus found another way to thank Shepard. It's good to know what happens though, wasn't willing to do a new playthrough not romancing Liara to find out.

Foreboding music huh? Wonder why they did that...

I can´t remember if it actually played if you treated her nicely throughout the entire ending. But if you did not show her any symphathy or care then some pretty dark music will play when she stands alone at the the console.

I suppose that makes sense. It might be to reflect Liara's feelings at this point, destroying your enemy and saving your friend but in the meantime losing Shepard's support. Will she also look sad or will she play around with her console like in the 'paragon' ending?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
I suppose that makes sense. It might be to reflect Liara's feelings at this point, destroying your enemy and saving your friend but in the meantime losing Shepard's support. Will she also look sad or will she play around with her console like in the 'paragon' ending?

I don´t think "losing Shepard's support" is the right word. More like that she is almost alone in both a psychological and physical sense. Recieving no comfort or support when she needed it.

And yes I just checked. Some sad music also plays out in the in the friendship-paragon conclusion.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I suppose that makes sense. It might be to reflect Liara's feelings at this point, destroying your enemy and saving your friend but in the meantime losing Shepard's support. Will she also look sad or will she play around with her console like in the 'paragon' ending?

I don´t think "losing Shepard's support" is the right word. More like that she is almost alone in both a psychological and physical sense. Recieving no comfort or support when she needed it.

And yes I just checked. Some sad music also plays out in the in the friendship-paragon conclusion.

Poor choice of words I know, at some times I can't find the right ones. English isn't my first language so that might be the problem. I replayed Lotsb last night and I can't remember any sad music. Which part are you talking about right now? Right after the fight with the shadow broker, ending with:
"Don't be a stranger this time"
"Small chance at that, see you soon"

or after the ending/reaffirming romance part? After the romance reaffirmance Liara walks away happily, quickly looking to the side to catch a glimpse of shepard while smiling, no sad music in either of these parts.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Poor choice of words I know, at some times I can't find the right ones. English isn't my first language so that might be the problem. I replayed Lotsb last night and I can't remember any sad music. Which part are you talking about right now? Right after the fight with the shadow broker, ending with:

Don't worry. English is not my primary language either!

"Don't be a stranger this time"
"Small chance at that, see you soon"

That part. The sad music only seems to play in the friendship path. Romance part does not have the sad music.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 29 mai 2011 - 06:46 .

[goofyomnivore]

kumquats wrote...

For me she turned into a renegade. But only because for me there are no "paragades" or "renegons".
But why does she need Shepard after LotSB?
Of course they all need Shepard for their Missions.
But I think there is a difference if you need Shepard for a Mission or if you need someone to keep you honest.
And she adds: "Relatively speaking."
Liara will play dirty in ME3 if it's nesecary to stop the Reapers.

And now I will go and Name my femShep Mary Sue. LoL [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

I said as much and conceded that is a flaw every character shares, but my "problem" (I use that word loosely because I enjoy Liara a lot she is  my second favorite character) is that is her only flaw that I can see. I like flaws in characters that makes them more interesting IMO. I just can't find any flaws in Liara and that makes her less interesting than she could be IMO.

Different strokes for different folks.

Modifié par strive, 29 mai 2011 - 07:18 .

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Poor choice of words I know, at some times I can't find the right ones. English isn't my first language so that might be the problem. I replayed Lotsb last night and I can't remember any sad music. Which part are you talking about right now? Right after the fight with the shadow broker, ending with:

Don't worry. English is not my primary language either!

"Don't be a stranger this time"
"Small chance at that, see you soon"

That part. The sad music only seems to play in the friendship path. Romance part does not have the sad music.

Strange that it plays sad music even if you were friendly and supportive of Liara. Since she explains being the SB is a dream job you'd think there's nothing to feel sad about, although she's still pretty much alone there, something she got used to during her remote digs. In some sense this is actually a step back towards her old life. Working in solitude without anyone around.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Strange that it plays sad music even if you were friendly and supportive of Liara. Since she explains being the SB is a dream job you'd think there's nothing to feel sad about, although she's still pretty much alone there, something she got used to during her remote digs. In some sense this is actually a step back towards her old life. Working in solitude without anyone around.

I think that explains why the sad music is there even in the good friendship version.

I hate the dark foreboding music that plays in the bad version!

[IndigoWolfe]

Wow, this piece is really nice.

[jlb524]

That pic is epic.

[TMA LIVE]

Kind of what I wanted for after her mother's death. Same for after Kaidan/Ash died.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Cute pic. I liked seeing lots of emotion from Liara in LotSB. Liara did seem to get over her mother's death pretty quick in ME1.

I was thinking about how all the squadmates in ME2 winge at Shep if she keeps the collector base, any ideas what Liara's opinion might have been? I think she would have supported Shep keeping the base but I was wrong about Mordin so what do I know.

[Robhuzz]

Nice picture, I really hope Liara breaks down (and not because Shepard died or something) in ME3 and Shepard gets to comfort her, I just love emotional stuff as long as it's got something to do with Liara. She did get over her mother's death really quickly, even going as far as to tell Shepard she doesn't need to talk about it. Whether she really wasn't bothered by it or she was simply acting tough... I do not know.

Liara would definitely have chosen to destroy the base, just like everyone else on your team. No person really trusts the illusive man with that base and I don't think Liara would either.

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[IndigoWolfe]

I love the lighting in that piece!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

"Looks at the new fanart"

Oh god! I hate to criticize other people's Shepard. But that is one ugly mofo.

The rest is well made. But christ.

[TheMarshal]

As neat as the lighting in that is, it definitely gives Shepard a "Why so serious?" vibe.

I love the composition, though.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

As neat as the lighting in that is, it definitely gives Shepard a "Why so serious?" vibe.

I love the composition, though.

Shepard looks high...high on Liara.  Can't blame her

[TMA LIVE]

Liara looks nice in this one:

[ladyvader]

This is going to sound like a silly question but is a 40+ page story about Liara and Shepard too long?   And no I have not posted it online.  Little nervous to actually.

[Clonedzero]

i really like liara, especially after LotSB, though my HUGE issue with her is its damn near impossible to talk to her in ME1 without her ninjamancing your face off.