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Well Samara is a 'mystic warrior' and the head jewelry seems to me like a symbol for 'war painting'. Without it she would seem less intimidating to me.
It would be nice if Bioware thought more about asari culture and it is indeed a symbol for the justicarhood, but i won't hold my breath.
At least they can't pull the : "It's genetic" card this time. ^_^

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As far as I'm aware... no. But realistically, how many different asari have we seen in the mass effect series? A few 100? (not counting pesky eclipse or other enemy asari). How many asari are there... like several billions? It's perfectly possible for asari to normally wear some headgear in asari space, but not in shared space like the citadel..

As for Liara's alternate outfit, if I manage to get my hands on the collectors edition, I doubt I'd ever use the alternate appearance, I like Liara's Lotsb gear much better. As to why BioWare is making it look just like Samara's? To encourage discussion? Out of laziness? Or just as a placeholder for now while they work on her 'real' alternate outfit? Who's to say.


That's what I'm saying.  If those forehead adornments indicate Justicarhood, then maybe that alternate outfit hints that Liara plans on entering Justicar training in the future, and this will be mentioned in ME3.

We don't know.  It's just speculation.

Modifié par yorkj86, 07 juin 2011 - 04:56 .


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yorkj86 wrote...

We haven't seen it on any other asari. Apart from Benezia, have we seen any asari wearing any adornments on their heads?


Well, there's an asari holiday where they wear flower wreaths on their heads.

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PMC65 wrote...

Not sure why people want big bulky armor but to each his own. I like Ash's new look and her outfit. They will probably have a pack that will allow people to clunk her up if they desire. Clunk can be good, streamlined wear can be good. It depends on where the fighting is to me. I hated how the group was in armor on the Citadel. It looked funny to me. I would like the option of when and wear to "overdress" my team and when less is more "stealth".

I am just exited to see both Liara and Ash in these demos! Image IPB


Because Ash duking it out in a catsuit and with long hair seems like it goes against her character? She even states in ME1 that she would much rather have heavy armor compared to light armor in dialog.

In short. People don't want everyone in bulky armor. People want everyone wearng something that is sensible and in-character.

Just like Liara does!

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Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Not sure why people want big bulky armor but to each his own. I like Ash's new look and her outfit. They will probably have a pack that will allow people to clunk her up if they desire. Clunk can be good, streamlined wear can be good. It depends on where the fighting is to me. I hated how the group was in armor on the Citadel. It looked funny to me. I would like the option of when and wear to "overdress" my team and when less is more "stealth".

I am just exited to see both Liara and Ash in these demos! Image IPB


Because Ash duking it out in a catsuit and with long hair seems like it goes against her character? She even states in ME1 that she would much rather have heavy armor compared to light armor in dialog.

In short. People don't want everyone in bulky armor. People want everyone wearng something that is sensible and in-character.

Just like Liara does!


Everyone can look good in armor I think, as long as it fits them in terms of shape, thickness and colour. For biotics, some light armor will suffice because of their biotic barriers, but actually since all sets of armor have built in kinetic barriers as well, bulky armor would not be needed. Since lore seems to support this, I don't see why everyone could wear a set of light armor, except for krogan of course, they seem to favour the heavies armor they can find. I could potentially see ashley in a personalized version of Tela Vasir's armor. Looked good, offered protection (though apparently not enough:pinched:) and wasn't bulky at all.

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jamesp81 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
I don't look forward to sadness, so speak for yourself on that part.


A story where everything is gained but nothing is lost is just dull.

I'd also remind everyone that the SM in ME2 was supposed to be
'impossible'.  I did lose one squad member the first time I played it,
without reading any guides, but I went for the "optimal resolution"
afterwards.


Don't think Bioware ever claimed that the SM was impossible (unless you mean from an in-story perspective?). I will be annoyed if not atleast a few of our squadmembers perish in this finale journey.


They probably will.  That's not what I was getting at.  If Earth is completely annihilated, Bioware can keep their game and I'll keep my money.  Simple as that.

I'll save everyone if it can be done.  You can't always get back everything you lost....but sometimes you get lucky.

Besides, enough has been lost already (especially if you made some mistakes on the SM in ME2).  Your ship, your old crew (some of which will be dead) your life, your honor (working for damned Cerberus), and several entire colonies.  Enough.  It's time to get some back.

It's a good model for a story; this is basically how Lord of the Rings was written.  Book One and Book Two were both a cluster-**** for the good guys, with lots of stuff going wrong.  Book Three was laying out the ass whooping the enemy deserved and doing it in such a way that not only was he defeated, but was in fact humiliated due to the kind of people who actually stopped him.

Edit:

I do not agree with your premise that it's automatically dull if you achieve an ideal ending.  It's all in how it's presented.


Why? Why won´t you buy the game if Earth is lost in the story?

Enough is lost?  Shepard's death was just a setback in the end. The Normandy SR-1 ultimativly got replaced with a bigger and better version. The Collectors winded up being just a cakewalk with everyone being able to survive the  dangerous suicide mission.

Sure Shepard lost credibility. But that is likely to be regained in ME3.

See. Moments like Virmire are good. And one the few cases where Shepard despite all efforts can't get a 100% victory. It is the Mass effect series wrath of Khan moment. The base got destroyed, but a good died friend in the process. Thereby Shepard suffered loss on a more personal level.

This is what I want to have in ME3. So that when I look back on the journey. Shepard have both gained and lost friends throughout. Had both ups and downs. Victories and defeats on both a personal and normal scale.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 07 juin 2011 - 06:34 .


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Why won´t you buy the game if Earth is lost in the story?

And there's your answer.

This is what I want to have in ME3



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Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Not sure why people want big bulky armor but to each his own. I like Ash's new look and her outfit. They will probably have a pack that will allow people to clunk her up if they desire. Clunk can be good, streamlined wear can be good. It depends on where the fighting is to me. I hated how the group was in armor on the Citadel. It looked funny to me. I would like the option of when and wear to "overdress" my team and when less is more "stealth".

I am just exited to see both Liara and Ash in these demos! Image IPB


Because Ash duking it out in a catsuit and with long hair seems like it goes against her character? She even states in ME1 that she would much rather have heavy armor compared to light armor in dialog.

In short. People don't want everyone in bulky armor. People want everyone wearng something that is sensible and in-character.

Just like Liara does!


As I said, to each his own. Hopefully they will have choices on what our crew can wear.  Image IPB

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No character spoilers on E3 :(

It could be a good thing though... 9 more months to go..

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Lizardviking wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
I don't look forward to sadness, so speak for yourself on that part.


A story where everything is gained but nothing is lost is just dull.

I'd also remind everyone that the SM in ME2 was supposed to be
'impossible'.  I did lose one squad member the first time I played it,
without reading any guides, but I went for the "optimal resolution"
afterwards.


Don't think Bioware ever claimed that the SM was impossible (unless you mean from an in-story perspective?). I will be annoyed if not atleast a few of our squadmembers perish in this finale journey.


They probably will.  That's not what I was getting at.  If Earth is completely annihilated, Bioware can keep their game and I'll keep my money.  Simple as that.

I'll save everyone if it can be done.  You can't always get back everything you lost....but sometimes you get lucky.

Besides, enough has been lost already (especially if you made some mistakes on the SM in ME2).  Your ship, your old crew (some of which will be dead) your life, your honor (working for damned Cerberus), and several entire colonies.  Enough.  It's time to get some back.

It's a good model for a story; this is basically how Lord of the Rings was written.  Book One and Book Two were both a cluster-**** for the good guys, with lots of stuff going wrong.  Book Three was laying out the ass whooping the enemy deserved and doing it in such a way that not only was he defeated, but was in fact humiliated due to the kind of people who actually stopped him.

Edit:

I do not agree with your premise that it's automatically dull if you achieve an ideal ending.  It's all in how it's presented.


Why? Why won´t you buy the game if Earth is lost in the story?

Enough is lost?  Shepard's death was just a setback in the end. The Normandy SR-1 ultimativly got replaced with a bigger and better version. The Collectors winded up being just a cakewalk with everyone being able to survive the  dangerous suicide mission.

Sure Shepard lost credibility. But that is likely to be regained in ME3.

See. Moments like Virmire are good. And one the few cases where Shepard despite all efforts can't get a 100% victory. It is the Mass effect series wrath of Khan moment. The base got destroyed, but a good died friend in the process. Thereby Shepard suffered loss on a more personal level.

This is what I want to have in ME3. So that when I look back on the journey. Shepard have both gained and lost friends throughout. Had both ups and downs. Victories and defeats on both a personal and normal scale.


Why is simple.  It's my money, and I choose to where to spend it.  I spend it on things I want and naturally don't spend it on things I don't want.

I can't imagine why anyone would spend their money on something they are not interested in.  I know I certainly wouldn't.

Modifié par jamesp81, 07 juin 2011 - 08:29 .


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yorkj86 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Well how do you like the exclusive appearance pack for the Collector's Edition?
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Is Liara wearing something like Samara on her head?


Heh.  That's what we've been discussing, the past few pages.  They look like the doodads Samara wears on her forehead.  The doodads may indicate Justicarhood.


Considering the discussion a little back about which model they were going to use in ME3, has anyone mentioned that the alternate appearance for Liara has blue lips?

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TSC_1 wrote...

Considering the discussion a little back about which model they were going to use in ME3, has anyone mentioned that the alternate appearance for Liara has blue lips?


I honestly don't think anyone has.  Good catch!

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I think I might have been  bit too harsh against the red LOTSB armor.

But I must admit I am annoyed if the only way to preserve her LOTSB face 100% is to have her wear the red version.

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Oh, yes, that would be irritating. But I meant that the alternate appearance is probably an indication that the LotSB model is the one that will end up in the game. It would be odd if you could switch between her faces in game like clothing, after all. In any case, it means that the older model we saw in the demo isn't confirmed.

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jamesp81 wrote...
Why is simple.  It's my money, and I choose to where to spend it.  I spend it on things I want and naturally don't spend it on things I don't want.

I can't imagine why anyone would spend their money on something they are not interested in.  I know I certainly wouldn't.


I know that what you meant. I just made a comment on that I think it is a over-the-top reaction that you won't buy the game if it has a bittersweet ending.

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So it seems we've learned nothing, except that Liara's might be using the ME2 face, and she has a odd alternate costume.

So, are we going to discuss how Liara will react to having a robotic dog in the family?

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Liara will be cool with a robot dog in the familiy. As long as it doesn't leak oil on the carpet.

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I think Liara will love robo-dog. It would be great if she (and the other squaddies) could interact with it like the Mumbari in DA and DA2.

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ratzerman wrote...

I think Liara will love robo-dog. It would be great if she (and the other squaddies) could interact with it like the Mumbari in DA and DA2.

Maybe Engineer Ken Donnelly can teach the dog Skyllian Five Poker.  :devil:

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jamesp81 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
I don't look forward to sadness, so speak for yourself on that part.


A story where everything is gained but nothing is lost is just dull.

I'd also remind everyone that the SM in ME2 was supposed to be
'impossible'.  I did lose one squad member the first time I played it,
without reading any guides, but I went for the "optimal resolution"
afterwards.


Don't think Bioware ever claimed that the SM was impossible (unless you mean from an in-story perspective?). I will be annoyed if not atleast a few of our squadmembers perish in this finale journey.


They probably will.  That's not what I was getting at.  If Earth is completely annihilated, Bioware can keep their game and I'll keep my money.  Simple as that.

I'll save everyone if it can be done.  You can't always get back everything you lost....but sometimes you get lucky.

Besides, enough has been lost already (especially if you made some mistakes on the SM in ME2).  Your ship, your old crew (some of which will be dead) your life, your honor (working for damned Cerberus), and several entire colonies.  Enough.  It's time to get some back.

It's a good model for a story; this is basically how Lord of the Rings was written.  Book One and Book Two were both a cluster-**** for the good guys, with lots of stuff going wrong.  Book Three was laying out the ass whooping the enemy deserved and doing it in such a way that not only was he defeated, but was in fact humiliated due to the kind of people who actually stopped him.

Edit:

I do not agree with your premise that it's automatically dull if you achieve an ideal ending.  It's all in how it's presented.


Why? Why won´t you buy the game if Earth is lost in the story?

Enough is lost?  Shepard's death was just a setback in the end. The Normandy SR-1 ultimativly got replaced with a bigger and better version. The Collectors winded up being just a cakewalk with everyone being able to survive the  dangerous suicide mission.

Sure Shepard lost credibility. But that is likely to be regained in ME3.

See. Moments like Virmire are good. And one the few cases where Shepard despite all efforts can't get a 100% victory. It is the Mass effect series wrath of Khan moment. The base got destroyed, but a good died friend in the process. Thereby Shepard suffered loss on a more personal level.

This is what I want to have in ME3. So that when I look back on the journey. Shepard have both gained and lost friends throughout. Had both ups and downs. Victories and defeats on both a personal and normal scale.


Why is simple.  It's my money, and I choose to where to spend it.  I spend it on things I want and naturally don't spend it on things I don't want.

I can't imagine why anyone would spend their money on something they are not interested in.  I know I certainly wouldn't.


Earth won't be completely annihilated, Casey Hudson said during one of the videos the whole idea was for Shepard to first get off earth then to gather support to take earth back, sure Earth will have a few dents here and there and numerous losses but the whole premise all through ME1, ME2 and ME3 is Human perseverance in the face of overwhelming odds (with a little help from our friends), there lies the challenge. I wouldn't be surprized if a spin-off of this series would be getting Earth back into shape

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PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Not sure why people want big bulky armor but to each his own. I like Ash's new look and her outfit. They will probably have a pack that will allow people to clunk her up if they desire. Clunk can be good, streamlined wear can be good. It depends on where the fighting is to me. I hated how the group was in armor on the Citadel. It looked funny to me. I would like the option of when and wear to "overdress" my team and when less is more "stealth".

I am just exited to see both Liara and Ash in these demos! Image IPB


Because Ash duking it out in a catsuit and with long hair seems like it goes against her character? She even states in ME1 that she would much rather have heavy armor compared to light armor in dialog.

In short. People don't want everyone in bulky armor. People want everyone wearng something that is sensible and in-character.

Just like Liara does!


As I said, to each his own. Hopefully they will have choices on what our crew can wear.  Image IPB



I agree with you I prefer the way that ms ashely is now; and I hope that you have have her in your party running around with no armor but with upgrades. She says that  that she prefers to wear armor and her hair tied up; but no one considers that she change of heart and like the freedom of not wearing armor in combat.


For liara I hope she isn't considering in becoming to be a justicar; she doesn't need to and if she is thinking it hopefully theire is an option to change her mind about it. I also hope that she is still the SB but I wouldn't be surprised if she is no longer the SB. I would like to see Liara as a full squadmember not a temp one.

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seirhart wrote...

I agree with you I prefer the way that ms ashely is now; and I hope that you have have her in your party running around with no armor but with upgrades. She says that  that she prefers to wear armor and her hair tied up; but no one considers that she change of heart and like the freedom of not wearing armor in combat.

For liara I hope she isn't considering in becoming to be a justicar; she doesn't need to and if she is thinking it hopefully theire is an option to change her mind about it. I also hope that she is still the SB but I wouldn't be surprised if she is no longer the SB. I would like to see Liara as a full squadmember not a temp one.


I agree that holding people to something they said 2+ years prior is a stretch. You can't hold me to things I said 2 weeks ago.

Liara is still a maiden and really should be out there learning, experiencing and enjoying life. Maybe once the reaper war is over she can get away and relax for awhile. Image IPB

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When a look at the destruction, there will be no relaxing after the war. And I'm very hopeful that we get more romance dialogue.
If this game is making me so sad in one demo because of one scene, I need a lot of cuddling and flirting, otherwise I won't enjoy it. :crying:

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kumquats wrote...

When a look at the destruction, there will be no relaxing after the war. And I'm very hopeful that we get more romance dialogue.
If this game is making me so sad in one demo because of one scene, I need a lot of cuddling and flirting, otherwise I won't enjoy it. :crying:


Carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc, etc .... They will be working their butts off.

Liara with a tool belt may sound sexy but Image IPB

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PMC65 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

When a look at the destruction, there will be no relaxing after the war. And I'm very hopeful that we get more romance dialogue.
If this game is making me so sad in one demo because of one scene, I need a lot of cuddling and flirting, otherwise I won't enjoy it. :crying:


Carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc, etc .... They will be working their butts off.

Liara with a tool belt may sound sexy but Image IPB

No. Double entendres :sick:

Considering that Shepard and his team are the ones leading the war, they should get some R&R afterwards. The Alliance might want Shepard going around making public appearances and what not, but Shepard's a SpecTRe, VS is a SpecTRe, Liara is the Shadow Broker. Screw orders :P