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Maybe it's their color and their head shape - Blue and water make me think cold, not that it is a bad thing. Since they are natural biotics then maybe their bodies are set at a colder temp to compensate. Image IPB

Unless Bioware adds it to the codex or in-game, I'll just keep thinking that they are a colder species than humans.


Yes, and they need to snuggle more in general. 

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I see your wistful Liara and raise you thoughtful Liara

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On reflection I don't think that's a good raise... bah I'm lousy with poker. But LIARA!


I call with a devious Liara.

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PMC65 wrote...

Maybe it's their color and their head shape - Blue and water make me think cold, not that it is a bad thing. Since they are natural biotics then maybe their bodies are set at a colder temp to compensate. Image IPB

Unless Bioware adds it to the codex or in-game, I'll just keep thinking that they are a colder species than humans.


I think that calling the older asari colder - in the sense of being dispassionate - may be pretty close to the mark.  I've always been fascinated by long-lived races.  Our lives and our choices are so bound by our lifespans that it's hard to imagine anything different.  We rush ourselves because we only have a few really good years in us.  But I think asari, particularly matriarchs, would be much more prone to pacing themselves and taking things slowly.

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What's so weird about it, beyond being different?

I think most didn't like the LotSB face at first as we weren't used to it.


I loved the LotSB face.  The eyes were.........captivating:wub:

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So... does anyone know what will possibly happen between them in ME3, if shep stayed loyal, like mine? Any spoilers.


Marriage, old age and a lot of little blue children :D


You know, on another forum, some had a problem with the "blue children" line. I guess some really don't want Shepard saying that. (shrugs).


How could anyone dislike that line? It was obviously said as a joke by Shep and Liara's reaction was priceless. I didn't really imagine my Shep being the type to want kids but it did sound like the sort of joke she'd make.


Your shep maybe.  Mine......after the war is over, he's gonna put his arms around that little blue lady and say, "you know that thing I said about marriage, old age, and lots of little blue children?  I wasn't just saying that....":wub:

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jamesp81 wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...
So... does anyone know what will possibly happen between them in ME3, if shep stayed loyal, like mine? Any spoilers.


Marriage, old age and a lot of little blue children :D


You know, on another forum, some had a problem with the "blue children" line. I guess some really don't want Shepard saying that. (shrugs).


How could anyone dislike that line? It was obviously said as a joke by Shep and Liara's reaction was priceless. I didn't really imagine my Shep being the type to want kids but it did sound like the sort of joke she'd make.


Your shep maybe.  Mine......after the war is over, he's gonna put his arms around that little blue lady and say, "you know that thing I said about marriage, old age, and lots of little blue children?  I wasn't just saying that....":wub:

As someone crazy who likes to make up the thoughts in my characters' minds, I thought about what my Shepard would think about children. He does want them eventually but that's where it gets a bit complicated. She's still a Maiden, seeking out adventure and whatnot, and thus wouldn't really want children according to how they're supposed to mentally be. She's still far off from the Matron stage where she'd want children and by the time she would reach the Matron stage Shepard would be dead or really really close to dead. So he debates on whether to want children when Liara may not be mentally ready for it by asari standards or not having them for Liara's comfort. So for my Shepard the line was in jest but belied some truth to it.

I'm crazy for getting in so deep on Shepard's thoughts, aren't I? <_< I'm going to go play some L.A. Noire.

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EsterCloat wrote...

 jamesp81 wrote...

Your shep maybe.  Mine......after the war is over, he's gonna put his arms around that little blue lady and say, "you know that thing I said about marriage, old age, and lots of little blue children?  I wasn't just saying that....":wub:



As someone crazy who likes to make up the thoughts in my characters' minds, I thought about what my Shepard would think about children. He does want them eventually but that's where it gets a bit complicated. She's still a Maiden, seeking out adventure and whatnot, and thus wouldn't really want children according to how they're supposed to mentally be. She's still far off from the Matron stage where she'd want children and by the time she would reach the Matron stage Shepard would be dead or really really close to dead. So he debates on whether to want children when Liara may not be mentally ready for it by asari standards or not having them for Liara's comfort. So for my Shepard the line was in jest but belied some truth to it.

I'm crazy for getting in so deep on Shepard's thoughts, aren't I? <_< I'm going to go play some L.A. Noire.


Don't worry about that, I think everyone on this thread has thought about his or her Shepard's feelings, thoughs, motivations, behaviour and what not at least once, you're not alone in this. My Shepard, he's not THAT intent on having a child with Liara, with an all out war with the reapers only 9 months away, personal life has to wait and Liara and Shepard just have to enjoy the time they have together. After the war, the entire galaxy will be laying in ruins, not a great moment to raise kids. If anything Shepard will wait for a few decades (he's only like 30) before even bringing up the subject of children. Marriage however... That was no joke.

Edit: Messing up the quotation stuff a little. Don't flame me for this one :pinched:

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jlb524 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard also does not want to marry or have kids but I do love Liara's response, so I play it as a tease.

I didn't really like the other dialogue choice, just wish that there had been a 3rd option that was somewhere between the two. Something that was flirty & loving with a promise of a playful future together. Image IPB


Yeah, it can be seen that way, but my Shepard's all angsty McAngst Butt.  B)


So is mine, but that's why she's good for him.  She understands, on a level no one else can due to the meld.  At long last, someone understands.

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If I was Shepard, I'd go to the SB base after leaving Earth....right after I stop by the Citadel to punch Councilor Velarn.

The SB base is far from where the Reapers are attackin...and it has intel.


I'm hoping for an epic battle at Hagalaz where she escapes with you as a Reaper force moves in.  Maybe even have a few Asari or Turian capital ships get involved to add OMGWTF factor to the space battle portion of the escape.

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My first playthrough as Liara. I'm so glad I have some backup files of my poor coalesced.ini, but I think it will be worth it. :lol:

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To continue with the screenshots.

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Not the best one but I love this moment in LOTSB.

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jamesp81 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

If I was Shepard, I'd go to the SB base after leaving Earth....right after I stop by the Citadel to punch Councilor Velarn.

The SB base is far from where the Reapers are attackin...and it has intel.


I'm hoping for an epic battle at Hagalaz where she escapes with you as a Reaper force moves in.  Maybe even have a few Asari or Turian capital ships get involved to add OMGWTF factor to the space battle portion of the escape.


If anything, the Asari and Turians both see the SB as someone who's holding a lot of power in this galaxy, keeping high level information on everyone. I do not see them helping the SB out. Also, Shepard couldn't convince other races to do anything, I highly doubt he'll be able to get a few capital ships to come to hagalaz, sowilo system (there's nothing there according to official records) to save the supposed Shadow Broker.

I'd also MUCH rather Shepard go in there alone to get Liara out. This allows for a much more intimate and private moment between the two of them if you ask me.

@Lizard

Who doesn't love that moment? :blink:

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jamesp81 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

If I was Shepard, I'd go to the SB base after leaving Earth....right after I stop by the Citadel to punch Councilor Velarn.

The SB base is far from where the Reapers are attackin...and it has intel.


I'm hoping for an epic battle at Hagalaz where she escapes with you as a Reaper force moves in.  Maybe even have a few Asari or Turian capital ships get involved to add OMGWTF factor to the space battle portion of the escape.


I'm predicting that you head to Hagalaz to either check out a lead that Liara discover which will help stop the Reapers, or Shepard goes to try to track down on leads he or she already has.

Then, the ship is either ambushed by Cerberus boarding pods, or a Reaper. Or both.

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My first playthrough as Liara. I'm so glad I have some backup files of my poor coalesced.ini, but I think it will be worth it. :lol:


As awesome as this is, I wouldn't want to see Liara do the Shepard walk. :?

Still, do upload some more pics, when you have them!

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@Lizard

Who doesn't love that moment? :blink:


I meant "not the best one" as in no the best screenshot.

I'd also MUCH rather Shepard go in there alone to get Liara out. This
allows for a much more intimate and private moment between the two of
them if you ask me.


I do not know how intimate such a moment can be if there is a Cerberus death squad tearing through the ship! :P

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Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
@Lizard

Who doesn't love that moment? :blink:


I meant "not the best one" as in no the best screenshot.


You said 'love that moment' so I responded positively because everyone's got to love that moment

@Indigowolfe

I think Cerberus is a safer bet for attacking the SB base than the reapers. After all Cerberus wants to get back at Shepard, knows of his relationship with Liara AND knows where the base is. The reapers on the other hand are AI's who don't have emotions, so couldn't enjoy torture or emotional warfare, instead relying on brutal efficiency to take out there enemies.

If anything, Cerberus attacks Liara's base very early in ME3, which would also mean Liara will become a squadmember very early. I can live with that :)

@Lizard

Shepard and Liara will find a way :pinched:

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Anyway, this trend has kind of been bugging me. Most of the Liara/Shep fanfics I find are FemSheps. While I understand why, it kind of saddens me that MaleShep is so under represented.


Me too :(

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PMC65 wrote...

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Gah, every time I think to myself, "Gee, this new look of Liara's is growing on me" someone posts a picture like that and I remember how unabashedly in-love I am with her LotSB look.

I'm good with her LotSB face model except for the lipstick. That is literally the only thing keeping me from liking the LotSB look. Blue lips just remind me too much of frozen dead people and having them blue just makes her face way too one-toned. Purple lips add some contrast that I think is really needed on the model. Thus, I like the new model(which is truer to her original model which I find better for consistency sake).

Anyway, this trend has kind of been bugging me. Most of the Liara/Shep fanfics I find are FemSheps. While I understand why, it kind of saddens me that MaleShep is so under represented.


I have to agree with that, it made me wonder if the asari are cold to the touch. For some reason they just seem like they would be slightly colder than humans.

I think why I liked her better in LotSB had more to do with the banter and dialogue that was shared. I just fell harder for her as my Shepard kept crashing that dang taxi (her comments were priceless) and how in the fight scenes she kept warning my Shepard (Cover your eyes, etc). If she favors ME more but the dialogue/exchange remains LotSB than I am a very happy camper! Image IPB


Oh no, I think Asari are quite warm and comforting :wub:

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jlb524 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Maybe it's their color and their head shape - Blue and water make me think cold, not that it is a bad thing. Since they are natural biotics then maybe their bodies are set at a colder temp to compensate. Image IPB

Unless Bioware adds it to the codex or in-game, I'll just keep thinking that they are a colder species than humans.


Yes, and they need to snuggle more in general. 


The first time they had a full body contact (Shepard bumped Image IPB into Liara one evening at mess) the two different body temperatures fascinated them both. They didn't say anything to each other but the wheels were turning.

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Personally, from a storytelling perspective I think it makes more sense to not go and get Liara from the SB ship right away. If Liara were capable of "doing her job" from the Normandy, she'd have done so right away. If Feron were capable of "taking over" the SB role, he'd have done so already. And having either of those be the case would have rendered the emotions after the Shadow Broker battle trivial. She would have simply said "With this, I can help you from anywhere in the galaxy. Let's go back to the Normandy." There wouldn't have been the internal struggle with what she wants (to be with Shepard) and what she knows she has to do.

With the SB resources at her disposal, Liara is uniquely equipped to properly direct galactic resources - more so even than most of the governments. Additionally, with feelers throughout the galaxy, she's the best way for Shepard to learn where to go next, and what's keeping who from joining the fight with the Reapers. Liara's gonna be needed right where she is for as long as possible, much as it pains me to say.

As for how/why she eventually joins the squad, the Reapers or Cerberus will wise up and figure out that taking out the Shadow Broker would be the most crippling blow they could deliver the resistance. Speaking from my own personal desires, I actually would prefer a situation where Liara escapes without Shepard's assistance, although there'd be a period of time where we wouldn't know for certain if she escaped the attack or not. Cue emotional reunion, get suited up, and kick some Reaper ass!

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TheMarshal wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Maybe it's their color and their head shape - Blue and water make me think cold, not that it is a bad thing. Since they are natural biotics then maybe their bodies are set at a colder temp to compensate. Image IPB

Unless Bioware adds it to the codex or in-game, I'll just keep thinking that they are a colder species than humans.


I think that calling the older asari colder - in the sense of being dispassionate - may be pretty close to the mark.  I've always been fascinated by long-lived races.  Our lives and our choices are so bound by our lifespans that it's hard to imagine anything different.  We rush ourselves because we only have a few really good years in us.  But I think asari, particularly matriarchs, would be much more prone to pacing themselves and taking things slowly.


I also find that part of them fascinating as well ... using their "long-view" approach to life would create a ripple between Shepard and Liara on occasion. I take a little of my personal experience (My ex is from Spain and I'm American) and use it in my role play. Even our arguments at times seemed surreal with her yelling in Spanish and me looking Image IPB (NO HABLA!) ... Just being from two continents/cultures cause friction, can you imagine from different worlds/species? 

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TheMarshal wrote...

Personally, from a storytelling perspective I think it makes more sense to not go and get Liara from the SB ship right away. If Liara were capable of "doing her job" from the Normandy, she'd have done so right away. If Feron were capable of "taking over" the SB role, he'd have done so already. And having either of those be the case would have rendered the emotions after the Shadow Broker battle trivial. She would have simply said "With this, I can help you from anywhere in the galaxy. Let's go back to the Normandy." There wouldn't have been the internal struggle with what she wants (to be with Shepard) and what she knows she has to do.


There seems to be some time between Arrival (which how long it takes places after LOTSB we don´t know) and ME3. And yes it is true that the player won't experience it. I don't think this is going  make certain internal conflicts from LOTSB moot. Granted I think agree that it might make more sense for Liara to not be recruitable right away.

With the SB resources at her disposal, Liara is uniquely equipped to properly direct galactic resources - more so even than most of the governments. Additionally, with feelers throughout the galaxy, she's the best way for Shepard to learn where to go next, and what's keeping who from joining the fight with the Reapers. Liara's gonna be needed right where she is for as long as possible, much as it pains me to say.

As for how/why she eventually joins the squad, the Reapers or Cerberus will wise up and figure out that taking out the Shadow Broker would be the most crippling blow they could deliver the resistance. Speaking from my own personal desires, I actually would prefer a situation where Liara escapes without Shepard's assistance, although there'd be a period of time where we wouldn't know for certain if she escaped the attack or not. Cue emotional reunion, get suited up, and kick some Reaper ass!


That not a bad actually. Have Liara be the SB in the start. Then have the SB be destroyed. Then have a happy reunion!

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TheMarshal wrote...

Personally, from a storytelling perspective I think it makes more sense to not go and get Liara from the SB ship right away. If Liara were capable of "doing her job" from the Normandy, she'd have done so right away. If Feron were capable of "taking over" the SB role, he'd have done so already. And having either of those be the case would have rendered the emotions after the Shadow Broker battle trivial. She would have simply said "With this, I can help you from anywhere in the galaxy. Let's go back to the Normandy." There wouldn't have been the internal struggle with what she wants (to be with Shepard) and what she knows she has to do.

With the SB resources at her disposal, Liara is uniquely equipped to properly direct galactic resources - more so even than most of the governments. Additionally, with feelers throughout the galaxy, she's the best way for Shepard to learn where to go next, and what's keeping who from joining the fight with the Reapers. Liara's gonna be needed right where she is for as long as possible, much as it pains me to say.

As for how/why she eventually joins the squad, the Reapers or Cerberus will wise up and figure out that taking out the Shadow Broker would be the most crippling blow they could deliver the resistance. Speaking from my own personal desires, I actually would prefer a situation where Liara escapes without Shepard's assistance, although there'd be a period of time where we wouldn't know for certain if she escaped the attack or not. Cue emotional reunion, get suited up, and kick some Reaper ass!


I think it makes the most sense for Shepard to go to the SB base asap, but not necessarily to recruit Liara.  Shepard will need a place to regroup and forumulate a plan for what she's going to do/what allies she will go to/etc. and she can use Liara as a rescource there.

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TheMarshal wrote...

As for how/why she eventually joins the squad, the Reapers or Cerberus will wise up and figure out that taking out the Shadow Broker would be the most crippling blow they could deliver the resistance. Speaking from my own personal desires, I actually would prefer a situation where Liara escapes without Shepard's assistance, although there'd be a period of time where we wouldn't know for certain if she escaped the attack or not. Cue emotional reunion, get suited up, and kick some Reaper ass!


Yes. Yes. Yes. I don't really like damsel's in distress, if you will. But I must admit I do want Liara in my femshep play as soon as possible. Image IPB

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There seems to be some time between Arrival (which how long it takes places after LOTSB we don´t know) and ME3. And yes it is true that the player won't experience it. I don't think this is going  make certain internal conflicts from LOTSB moot. Granted I think agree that it might make more sense for Liara to not be recruitable right away.


One of the reasons I like doing LotSB prior to the SM is because it set Shepard up to be ready for when she decides to ditch Cerberus.  She does so knowing that she's already got a replacement information network/resources in place.

On another note, since after Arrival we know that Shepard is going to have to turn herself in, that probably means the crew scatters, possibly at Shepard's behest, and who better to keep track of where they are than the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?