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[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Personally, from a storytelling perspective I think it makes more sense to not go and get Liara from the SB ship right away. If Liara were capable of "doing her job" from the Normandy, she'd have done so right away. If Feron were capable of "taking over" the SB role, he'd have done so already. And having either of those be the case would have rendered the emotions after the Shadow Broker battle trivial. She would have simply said "With this, I can help you from anywhere in the galaxy. Let's go back to the Normandy." There wouldn't have been the internal struggle with what she wants (to be with Shepard) and what she knows she has to do.

With the SB resources at her disposal, Liara is uniquely equipped to properly direct galactic resources - more so even than most of the governments. Additionally, with feelers throughout the galaxy, she's the best way for Shepard to learn where to go next, and what's keeping who from joining the fight with the Reapers. Liara's gonna be needed right where she is for as long as possible, much as it pains me to say.

As for how/why she eventually joins the squad, the Reapers or Cerberus will wise up and figure out that taking out the Shadow Broker would be the most crippling blow they could deliver the resistance. Speaking from my own personal desires, I actually would prefer a situation where Liara escapes without Shepard's assistance, although there'd be a period of time where we wouldn't know for certain if she escaped the attack or not. Cue emotional reunion, get suited up, and kick some Reaper ass!

I think it makes the most sense for Shepard to go to the SB base asap, but not necessarily to recruit Liara.  Shepard will need a place to regroup and forumulate a plan for what she's going to do/what allies she will go to/etc. and she can use Liara as a rescource there.

I will accept this compromise.


*Liara is pleased to see you soon!*

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

There seems to be some time between Arrival (which how long it takes places after LOTSB we don´t know) and ME3. And yes it is true that the player won't experience it. I don't think this is going  make certain internal conflicts from LOTSB moot. Granted I think agree that it might make more sense for Liara to not be recruitable right away.

One of the reasons I like doing LotSB prior to the SM is because it set Shepard up to be ready for when she decides to ditch Cerberus.  She does so knowing that she's already got a replacement information network/resources in place.

I woud tell you why I don't like doing LOTSB pre-SM and like it much more after the endgame. But I have a feeling you know already!

On another note, since after Arrival we know that Shepard is going to have to turn herself in, that probably means the crew scatters, possibly at Shepard's behest, and who better to keep track of where they are than the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?

Good catch. Would be silly if our intel provider winds up being the Alliance and the Council.

[Robhuzz]

On another note, since after Arrival we know that Shepard is going to have to turn herself in, that probably means the crew scatters, possibly at Shepard's behest, and who better to keep track of where they are than the most powerful information broker in the galaxy?

Sounds very reasonable. I also have reason to believe most if not all of Shepard's squad will leave the normandy before the trial. Tali, Garrus, Miranda etc since the Alliance is not too happy with Cerberus and actually being part of Cerberus is a crime. I suppose any cerberus crewmembers still on board when Shepard arrives on earth will be arrested, they'd know too.

Shepard would most likely be at least a little lost when just fleeing earth. He knew the reapers were coming but not that they'd come at this time. En route to Liara's base he's trying to get as much info as possible, finally at the base Liara (obviously) already knows what's going on and has information on the whereabouts of certain squadmembers you might want to work with again, like Tali or Garrus. A similar scene might play out as Shepard/TIM early in ME2.

[TMA LIVE]

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

My Shepard will kill them if they confiscate his picture of Liara!

Speaking of which. How did Shepard get that picture?

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

My Shepard will kill them if they confiscate his picture of Liara!

Speaking of which. How did Shepard get that picture?

Cerberus new you had a thing for her, grabbed a picture of her, and put it in your room.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

My Shepard will kill them if they confiscate his picture of Liara!

Speaking of which. How did Shepard get that picture?

In my role play the photo was from a news article about the defeat of Saren on the extranet.

[EsterCloat]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

My Shepard will kill them if they confiscate his picture of Liara!

Speaking of which. How did Shepard get that picture?

I'm guessing s/he had it stored away in some extranet database or Cerberus gave it to him/her to feel more "at home" in his/her loft.

That or s/he drew it. The future has gotta have some advanced 3D modeling software.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 09 juin 2011 - 09:31 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Cerberus new you had a thing for her, grabbed a picture of her, and put it in your room.

I don't think they would do that. Would seem counter-productive in their attempt to isolate Shepard.

Perhaps it is a picture that Chackwas or Joker had taken or managed to get somehow?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 09 juin 2011 - 09:33 .

[Cypher0020]

Ok..... here's a question... Liara's been away at the base doing her awesome Shadow Broker thing

how do you think our blueberry will take hearing about her lover/good friend getting arrested and put on probably public trial by the Alliance....

[TMA LIVE]

Liara even says Cerberus knew you and her had a relationship. The picture is just an early example of how much they know. Since whatever accounts you've made to get a picture have been shut down for 2 years.

[PMC65]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Since the Alliance has been messing with the Normandy after requiring it, I imagine Shepard's been locked away on Earth until his trail starts.

My Shepard will kill them if they confiscate his picture of Liara!

Speaking of which. How did Shepard get that picture?

Cerberus new you had a thing for her, grabbed a picture of her, and put it in your room.

I couldn't play it that way since our affair is not public ... My Shepard would have found that as a subtle threat if Cerberus placed it there.  

[PMC65]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Liara even says Cerberus knew you and her had a relationship. The picture is just an early example of how much they know. Since whatever accounts you've made to get a picture have been shut down for 2 years.

When did she say that? I must have missed it. The comics she calls you a friend ...

[Cypher0020]

I think it was to remain... netural wasn't it?

[TMA LIVE]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok..... here's a question... Liara's been away at the base doing her awesome Shadow Broker thing

how do you think our blueberry will take hearing about her lover/good friend getting arrested and put on probably public trial by the Alliance....

I'd want to know the same thing when it comes to every LI. Since they aren't there, it's... weird. My guess is that there was a fight, but in the end, Shepard convinced her to allow Shepard to turn himself in, and not mess with the scale.

Currently, since Arrival has happened after Horizon, Liara is more concerned about me dying on the suicide mission, then whether I'm going on trail.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 juin 2011 - 09:35 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Liara even says Cerberus knew you and her had a relationship. The picture is just an early example of how much they know. Since whatever accounts you've made to get a picture have been shut down for 2 years.

When did she say that? I must have missed it. The comics she calls you a friend ...

If you did not learn the truth from Liara about the events of Redemption. Shepard will ask who Feron  is when you activate LOTSB mission. She will then explain that she handed your corpse over to Cerberus. Pick a certain response to that and Liara will respond "Cerberus knew about you and I".

Modifié par Lizardviking, 09 juin 2011 - 09:36 .

[EsterCloat]

Actually, I'm going to go with "Chakwas put it there". It doesn't really matter though since from a metagaming perspective they put it there as an indicator of your relationship status and probably didn't really think about how it got there exactly. So I go with Chakwas, even though theoretically anyone from Miranda to Kelly could have put it there for any numerous amount of reasons.

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...

When did she say that? I must have missed it. The comics she calls you a friend ...

The comics are intended for Generi-Shep, hence the crack about "can't even tell if it's a man or a woman".

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok..... here's a question... Liara's been away at the base doing her awesome Shadow Broker thing

how do you think our blueberry will take hearing about her lover/good friend getting arrested and put on probably public trial by the Alliance....

I imagined that my Shepard atleast made one stop between Arrival and ME3 to the SB ship to visit Liara. Where he explained what he had to do and that while he will most likely put up a show and be somewhat resistant, he will eventually head to Earth and face trial.

So Liara's reaction would most likely be understanding. I think she would have a much stronger reaction when Shepard just returns from Arrival mission. Since she knows that Shepard somehow had been involved with the death of 300000 Batarians.

[TheMarshal]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok..... here's a question... Liara's been away at the base doing her awesome Shadow Broker thing

how do you think our blueberry will take hearing about her lover/good friend getting arrested and put on probably public trial by the Alliance....

I wrote about the post-Arrival events, though I was focusing more on the trauma of having just been responsible for the deaths of 300,000 people.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok..... here's a question... Liara's been away at the base doing her awesome Shadow Broker thing

how do you think our blueberry will take hearing about her lover/good friend getting arrested and put on probably public trial by the Alliance....

I imagined that my Shepard atleast made one stop between Arrival and ME3 to the SB ship to visit Liara. Where he explained what he had to do and that while he will most likely put up a show and be somewhat resistant, he will eventually head to Earth and face trial.

So Liara's reaction would most likely be understanding. I think she would have a much stronger reaction when Shepard just returns from Arrival mission. Since she knows that Shepard somehow had been involved with the death of 300000 Batarians.

I also promised Liara that my Shepard was always coming back. Yet, Arrival happened. So that promise is going to be broken.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...
The comics are intended for Generi-Shep, hence the crack about "can't even tell if it's a man or a woman".

And therein lies Redemptions greatest flaw.

[IndigoWolfe]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The comics are intended for Generi-Shep, hence the crack about "can't even tell if it's a man or a woman".

And therein lies Redemptions greatest flaw.

'Tis the nature of the beast. Unless Mac Walters made the decision to include Sheploo and a default set of choices.

[TMA LIVE]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The comics are intended for Generi-Shep, hence the crack about "can't even tell if it's a man or a woman".

And therein lies Redemptions greatest flaw.

'Tis the nature of the beast. Unless Mac Walters made the decision to include Sheploo and a default set of choices.

Yeah, it has to be written with a Shepard that could've treated Liara like crap. Been her friend. Been her lover. Been a man or a woman. Didn't really talk to Liara at all. Was a good person. Was a bad person. etc.

Pretty much, Shepard had to be written as just her friend and commander. That's it. And she watched "Shepard" die, and feels she should've been able to do something.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
The comics are intended for Generi-Shep, hence the crack about "can't even tell if it's a man or a woman".

And therein lies Redemptions greatest flaw.

'Tis the nature of the beast. Unless Mac Walters made the decision to include Sheploo and a default set of choices.

But that is unlikely to happen.

But really. They wrote a story where the main character's motivation is tied to another character which they could not define. And therefor whatever relationship that was between them could not be explored..

"sigh"

Somebody give me happy!Liara pics NOW!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 09 juin 2011 - 10:05 .