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[Robhuzz]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I wonder if Liara has any more family left? Benezia was a Matriarch, it's possible she could have had other children before Liara. Although it would be odd if Liara never mentioned them. Unless she saw them even less than she did her mother. Which would make sense, since they would most likely be in the Matron stage themselves when Liara was born.

But even if she doesn't have siblings, that still leaves aunts and cousins. I doubt that the entire T'soni house simply up and vanished when Benezia died.

The way Aethyta said it, she's been with a turian among several other mates, I think there's a strong bet she'll have children with those partners as well. Same could (I think) be said about Benezia.

The problem is we don't really know how many children asari usually get during their lives. Say they'd have a child every 50 years or so. Assuming a regular asari won't have their first child until she's 350 and will not have children after the age of 700 that'd be an avarage of 7 children. So Liara COULD have over a dozen (half)sisters living around the galaxy.

[TheMarshal]

I wonder how close asari families are. I mean, when your species has spread across the entire galaxy, can lead entirely different lives for centuries at a time, and have children with multiple partners throughout their lifetime, it seems that the human concept of 'family' would be somewhat diminished, at least beyond the maiden stage of life. It could explain why Liara wasn't that broken up about Benezia dying... ::shrug::

[IndigoWolfe]

Robhuzz wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I wonder if Liara has any more family left? Benezia was a Matriarch, it's possible she could have had other children before Liara. Although it would be odd if Liara never mentioned them. Unless she saw them even less than she did her mother. Which would make sense, since they would most likely be in the Matron stage themselves when Liara was born.

But even if she doesn't have siblings, that still leaves aunts and cousins. I doubt that the entire T'soni house simply up and vanished when Benezia died.

The way Aethyta said it, she's been with a turian among several other mates, I think there's a strong bet she'll have children with those partners as well. Same could (I think) be said about Benezia.

The problem is we don't really know how many children asari usually get during their lives. Say they'd have a child every 50 years or so. Assuming a regular asari won't have their first child until she's 350 and will not have children after the age of 700 that'd be an avarage of 7 children. So Liara COULD have over a dozen (half)sisters living around the galaxy.

Narrative regarding Aria in Mass Effect: Retribution seems to suggest --to me at least-- that it's rather common for an asari to have numerous children. So who knows?

Benezia could just not have been interested in having children, until she --apparently-- met Aethyta. Or something. Dang, I'd like that bit of history resolved.

[IndigoWolfe]

TheMarshal wrote...

I wonder how close asari families are. I mean, when your species has spread across the entire galaxy, can lead entirely different lives for centuries at a time, and have children with multiple partners throughout their lifetime, it seems that the human concept of 'family' would be somewhat diminished, at least beyond the maiden stage of life. It could explain why Liara wasn't that broken up about Benezia dying... ::shrug::

I think this is likely. Although children born to the same bondmate are probably closer than those born to other bondmates.

Comparitively, human family bonds are probably extremely tight to asari.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 10 juin 2011 - 07:01 .

[Robhuzz]

@Marshal
When Shepard visits Liara after the death of Benezia, Liara says she will remember Benezia like she was before she joined Saren. When you recruit her she says she hasn't spoken to Benezia in years. So Liara had no family problems with Benezia before the whole Saren thing, yet they never spoke in years? That's got to be normal for Asari then. This leads me to believe Asari families aren't that close at all.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 10 juin 2011 - 07:03 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IndigoWolfe wrote...
Narrative regarding Aria in Mass Effect: Retribution seems to suggest --to me at least-- that it's rather common for an asari to have numerous children. So who knows?

Benezia could just not have been interested in having children, until she --apparently-- met Aethyta. Or something. Dang, I'd like that bit of history resolved.

Not to steer away from the current subject. But didn't Retribution state that Aria was atleast a 1000 years old?

That statement always bugged me. Because it screw with how old I thought Benezia and Samara was. Both Benezia and Samara looks older than Aria (Benezia more so) and if Aria is 1000 years old. Where would that put those two?  And giving that Liara is 106 in ME1, would that mean that Benezia got her when she was a matriach?

I also thought Asari usually only lives to be a 1000 (give or take) years old givin Shepard's line to Liara (you Asari live to a 1000, we humans are lucky if we hit a 150).

Or maybe Drew just made a screw up when telling Aria's age.

When Shepard visits Liara after the death of Benezia, Liara says she
will remember Benezia like she was before she joined Saren. When you
recruit her she says she hasn't spoken to Benezia in years. So Liara had
no family problems with Benezia before the whole Saren thing, yet they
never spoke in years? That's got to be normal for Asari then. This leads
me to believe Asari families aren't that close at all.

I believed never talked that much simply because they were not that much of a happy family. Or they had some sort of falling out the last time or something.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 10 juin 2011 - 07:12 .

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...
Narrative regarding Aria in Mass Effect: Retribution seems to suggest --to me at least-- that it's rather common for an asari to have numerous children. So who knows?

Benezia could just not have been interested in having children, until she --apparently-- met Aethyta. Or something. Dang, I'd like that bit of history resolved.

Not to steer away from the current subject. But didn't Retribution state that Aria was atleast a 1000 years old?

That statement always bugged me. Because it screw with how old I thought Benezia and Samara was. Both Benezia and Samara looks older than Aria (Benezia more so) and if Aria is 1000 years old. Where would that put those two?  And giving that Liara is 106 in ME1, would that mean that Benezia got her when she was a matriach?

I also thought Asari usually only lives to be a 1000 (give or take) years old givin Shepard's line to Liara (you Asari live to a 1000, we humans are lucky if we hit a 150).

Or maybe Drew just made a screw up when telling Aria's age.

When Shepard visits Liara after the death of Benezia, Liara says she
will remember Benezia like she was before she joined Saren. When you
recruit her she says she hasn't spoken to Benezia in years. So Liara had
no family problems with Benezia before the whole Saren thing, yet they
never spoke in years? That's got to be normal for Asari then. This leads
me to believe Asari families aren't that close at all.

I believed never talked that much simply because they were not that much of a happy family. Or they had some sort of falling out the last time or something.

Liara did rebel against Benezia in her choice to study the past instead of looking towards the future, like I think Benezia wanted for her daughter.  That could be part of why they don't see either other.  It's pure spectulation on my part.

I do wonder about this though...Liara mentions in ME1 that she doesn't know her "father".  Benezia never talked about her partner.  In the LotSB, Liara sets up videos for Shepard to view.  One of those vids is Aethyta holding a picture of Liara.  Also when talking to Aethyta while in Illium, she mentions she has a pure blood daughter and that she lost contact with her.  It makes me wonder if they, the writers, are going to reunited them at some point during ME3.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...
Narrative regarding Aria in Mass Effect: Retribution seems to suggest --to me at least-- that it's rather common for an asari to have numerous children. So who knows?

Benezia could just not have been interested in having children, until she --apparently-- met Aethyta. Or something. Dang, I'd like that bit of history resolved.

Not to steer away from the current subject. But didn't Retribution state that Aria was atleast a 1000 years old?

That statement always bugged me. Because it screw with how old I thought Benezia and Samara was. Both Benezia and Samara looks older than Aria (Benezia more so) and if Aria is 1000 years old. Where would that put those two?  And giving that Liara is 106 in ME1, would that mean that Benezia got her when she was a matriach?

I also thought Asari usually only lives to be a 1000 (give or take) years old givin Shepard's line to Liara (you Asari live to a 1000, we humans are lucky if we hit a 150).

Or maybe Drew just made a screw up when telling Aria's age.

When Shepard visits Liara after the death of Benezia, Liara says she
will remember Benezia like she was before she joined Saren. When you
recruit her she says she hasn't spoken to Benezia in years. So Liara had
no family problems with Benezia before the whole Saren thing, yet they
never spoke in years? That's got to be normal for Asari then. This leads
me to believe Asari families aren't that close at all.

I believed never talked that much simply because they were not that much of a happy family. Or they had some sort of falling out the last time or something.

Quote from Liara: "I guess it comes with being a matriarchs daughter". This seems to indicate that Liara was born when Benezia was already in her matriarch stage. As for Aria being nearly 1000 years old.. I doubt it. One thing that seems to tell the age of an Asari is  her voice, with maidens having high voices, slightly lower for matrons and very low (but still female ofc) voices for Matriarchs. This is true for both Benezia and Aethyta. This leads me to believe Aria is in fact in her matron stage, though I have no sources to confirm this...

I do wonder about this though...Liara mentions in ME1 that she doesn't know her "father".  Benezia never talked about her partner.  In the LotSB, Liara sets up videos for Shepard to view.  One of those vids is Aethyta holding a picture of Liara.  Also when talking to Aethyta while in Illium, she mentions she has a pure blood daughter and that she lost contact with her.  It makes me wonder if they, the writers, are going to reunited them at some point during ME3.

Can't remember where I saw it but BioWare confirmed they were 'looking into' completing the Aethyta/Liara story since they noticed there was a lot of speculation on this subject. Not surprising considering they created the speculation by adding that video of Aethyta looking at Liara's picture..

Modifié par Robhuzz, 10 juin 2011 - 07:34 .

[kumquats]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think this is likely. Although children born to the same bondmate are probably closer than those born to other bondmates.

Comparitively, human family bonds are probably extremely tight to asari.

On the other hand, this one asari on Illium was extremly upset about the death of her family.
I think Benezia and Liara were never that close. Maybe because Liara reminded Benezia to much of her father or maybe because Benezia was a matriach, she didn't had much time, when Liara was still young.

And I wanted to share that smirk.

http://imageshack.us/f/263/liara2.png/

Modifié par kumquats, 10 juin 2011 - 07:36 .

[TheMarshal]

ladyvader wrote...

I do wonder about this though...Liara mentions in ME1 that she doesn't know her "father".  Benezia never talked about her partner.  In the LotSB, Liara sets up videos for Shepard to view.  One of those vids is Aethyta holding a picture of Liara.  Also when talking to Aethyta while in Illium, she mentions she has a pure blood daughter and that she lost contact with her.  It makes me wonder if they, the writers, are going to reunited them at some point during ME3.

It's pretty well accepted 'round these parts that Aethyta is Liara's "father".  I'm hoping we get at least SOME acknowledgement of that fact in ME3.

[TheMarshal]

Robhuzz wrote...

Quote from Liara: "I guess it comes with being a matriarchs daughter". This seems to indicate that Liara was born when Benezia was already in her matriarch stage. As for Aria being nearly 1000 years old.. I doubt it. One thing that seems to tell the age of an Asari is  her voice, with maidens having high voices, slightly lower for matrons and very low (but still female ofc) voices for Matriarchs. This is true for both Benezia and Aethyta. This leads me to believe Aria is in fact in her matron stage, though I have no sources to confirm this...

An interesting observation with the voices.  Samara is ~700 years old, and if we're going by the voice system of age-prediction, that would put Aria around there, since their voices are close in pitch.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Quote from Liara: "I guess it comes with being a matriarchs daughter". This seems to indicate that Liara was born when Benezia was already in her matriarch stage. As for Aria being nearly 1000 years old.. I doubt it. One thing that seems to tell the age of an Asari is  her voice, with maidens having high voices, slightly lower for matrons and very low (but still female ofc) voices for Matriarchs. This is true for both Benezia and Aethyta. This leads me to believe Aria is in fact in her matron stage, though I have no sources to confirm this...

The thing about the high voices is an interesting observation.

I always pitted Benzia as being 800-900. Samara 600-700 (preferebly 700 as she seem near the end of her matron stage). And Aria being 500-600. But of-course that statement in Retribution could easily much things up.

So I always believed that either Benezia got Liara in the end of her Matron stage or early Matriach stage.

[Robhuzz]

Slightly off topic but how old is Samara actually? In one scene she says she's seen a lot of bloodshed and she's still got 'hundreds of years to live with it'. In another she says she's 'nearly 1000 years old'. Now I know the asari view time differently, but I don't think even the asari would ignore 300 whole years.

Her dossier says 'Biotic powers near that of an asari matriarch' - This dossier makes it sound like Samara isn't even in her matriarch stage yet, though this might simply be a typing error for 'surpassing that of an asari matriarch'. So... how old is she actually?

[Sarcastic Tasha]

ladyvader wrote...

I do wonder about this though...Liara mentions in ME1 that she doesn't know her "father".  Benezia never talked about her partner.  In the LotSB, Liara sets up videos for Shepard to view.  One of those vids is Aethyta holding a picture of Liara.  Also when talking to Aethyta while in Illium, she mentions she has a pure blood daughter and that she lost contact with her.  It makes me wonder if they, the writers, are going to reunited them at some point during ME3.

I hope they do reunite in ME3, Aethyta is awesome. Gotta love that while snooping on everyone Liara finds the time to pick out videos that will amuse Shepard. LotSB really did show off Liara's sense of humour.

[EsterCloat]

I don't really like the theory that Aethyta is Liara's other mother. Not that Aethyta isn't awesome or anything, it's just that it seems so contrived that the two end up on the same planet with Liara none the wiser, especially being an information broker. I mean, it'd be nice and everything if that thread was solved so readily but it just...seems way too neat for my taste. Personally, I'd like it better if Aethyta turned out to be her aunt or something along those lines and Liara's other mother never came to light. It just seems like something that doesn't need to be resolved since it doesn't really seem to affect her at all. I don't see any kind of tearful reunion happening since Liara never really knew her to begin with. If she does turn out to be her other mother, which I admit is exceedingly likely, I'd kind of like it if she doesn't reveal it to Liara. Let sleeping dogs lie and whatnot. Not everything needs to be fixed up so nicely. Just personal opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

Regarding Samara's age, I'd say around 900ish, probably a few decades older. I'm sure a few asari live over the 1000 year mark and maybe Samara expects herself to live that far. They never give a clear cut age though, in-game at least. According to the website she's "estimated 600 human years" but just seems kinda wrong, unless asari use the word "nearly" loosely.

[ladyvader]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I do wonder about this though...Liara mentions in ME1 that she doesn't know her "father".  Benezia never talked about her partner.  In the LotSB, Liara sets up videos for Shepard to view.  One of those vids is Aethyta holding a picture of Liara.  Also when talking to Aethyta while in Illium, she mentions she has a pure blood daughter and that she lost contact with her.  It makes me wonder if they, the writers, are going to reunited them at some point during ME3.

I hope they do reunite in ME3, Aethyta is awesome. Gotta love that while snooping on everyone Liara finds the time to pick out videos that will amuse Shepard. LotSB really did show off Liara's sense of humour.

I was amused all right.  Espeically the reporter chick getting punched by the Korgan and kicked by the Volus.  I do hope the we get to see them reunite.  Anything to have Liara be happy.    I think that would make her happy.  

[danteliveson]

Yup, her new face is crap.

[ladyvader]

EsterCloat wrote...

I don't really like the theory that Aethyta is Liara's other mother. Not that Aethyta isn't awesome or anything, it's just that it seems so contrived that the two end up on the same planet with Liara none the wiser, especially being an information broker.

  I don't think Liara was looking for that type of information.  My view anyway.  At that point, Liara seemed very consumed with her debt to Feron and making the Shadow Broker pay for what happened to both Shepard and Feron.  Like I said, it's just my view. 

[IndigoWolfe]

danteliveson wrote...

Yup, her new face is crap.

I would not nearly say that her new face is "crap". I still like it.

I like her DLC face better, but this one is alright.

[IndigoWolfe]

ladyvader wrote...

I was amused all right.  Espeically the reporter chick getting punched by the Korgan and kicked by the Volus.  I do hope the we get to see them reunite.  Anything to have Liara be happy.    I think that would make her happy.  

Actually, I'd have to disagree. The absence of her other parent is something she's come to terms with and from which she's moved on. If the subject does come up with Aethyta, I think at best it would be an awkard moment of indecision for her, at worst it would be reopening an old wound.

So, I don't think it would make her "happy" per se. Certainly not at first.

[TMA LIVE]

IndigoWolfe wrote...


http://imageshack.us/f/263/liara2.png/

<3

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 juin 2011 - 10:08 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

After giving Liara's ME3 face some time I have not arrived to any new conlcuion. I still do not like it.

Simply too weird looking. Lips does not match skin colour and eyes are nothing compared to her LOTSB version. Wonder if somebody will make a mod once ME3 is out that gives Liara her LOTSB face?

"Waits for new screenshots or videos for next re-evaluation".

[PMC65]

Robhuzz wrote...

@Marshal
When Shepard visits Liara after the death of Benezia, Liara says she will remember Benezia like she was before she joined Saren. When you recruit her she says she hasn't spoken to Benezia in years. So Liara had no family problems with Benezia before the whole Saren thing, yet they never spoke in years? That's got to be normal for Asari then. This leads me to believe Asari families aren't that close at all.

You know I sometimes go weeks without talking with my mother due to our schedules ... Asari live 10 times our span so my weeks could be her years. Given that they have the luxury of years, that Liara goes on digs and Benezia is a highly respected Matriarch, their culture & different lifestyles probably was the reason.
 
I saw (though brief) how Benezia and Liara loved each other on Noveria and it broke my Shepard's heart that Liara wouldn't share her grief. I found it interesting how she called her mother Benezia, for the most part, until she was speaking to her ... then it was 'mother'. I wish that they had shown Liara holding her mother after she dies but you take what you can get.   

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

After giving Liara's ME3 face some time I have not arrived to any new conlcuion. I still do not like it.

Simply too weird looking. Lips does not match skin colour and eyes are nothing compared to her LOTSB version. Wonder if somebody will make a mod once ME3 is out that gives Liara her LOTSB face?

"Waits for new screenshots or videos for next re-evaluation".

Well now that E3 is over we can begin our assault campaign to Casey Hudson or David Silverman to get them to clarify what Liara's ME3 face will look like.

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...
 
I saw (though brief) how Benezia and Liara loved each other on Noveria and it broke my Shepard's heart that Liara wouldn't share her grief. I found it interesting how she called her mother Benezia, for the most part, until she was speaking to her ... then it was 'mother'. I wish that they had shown Liara holding her mother after she dies but you take what you can get.   

No...  you really don't...