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[elmjuniper]

pacer90 wrote...

Merry Christmas everyone! My time zone means it's Christmas here before anyone else in North America

Here's my present to you all.

hahaha oh i really do wish she would come with lil green and red bows to me for xmas. lol
oh and merry xmas and happy new year. ^^

Modifié par elmjuniper, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[elmjuniper]

oops dbl psoting... how come one cant delete one's posts?

Modifié par elmjuniper, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...
I have a feeling Liara's only real experience with humans was possibly getting shot at by them in merc bands.

Yeah, though I also think being a person who prefers solitude more of adds to the ackwardness. Some people just aren't good at being social among strangers, and are more of a listener then a talker. Especially among people who don't trust you. You more of gravitate to the person who does, or the one that has more authority.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[elmjuniper]

TMA wrote:
Yeah, though I also think being a person who prefers solitude more of adds to the ackwardness. Some people just aren't good at being social among strangers, and are more of a listener then a talker. Especially among people who don't trust you. You more of gravitate to the person who does, or the one that has more authority.

yeah i agree, i think i kind of got the feeling that liara was kind of awkward with everyone seeing as she mentioned she found it difficult to talk to ppl since they expected her to be like her mother?

Modifié par elmjuniper, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I have a feeling Liara's only real experience with humans was possibly getting shot at by them in merc bands.

Yeah, though I also think being a person who prefers solitude more of adds to the ackwardness. Some people just aren't good at being social among strangers, and are more of a listener then a talker. Especially among people who don't trust you. You more of gravitate to the person who does, or the one that has more authority.

That's something that I'm trying to delve into.  It's easy to believe that she would seek out solitude rather than deal with the compound social stigma of being a pureblood and the daughter of a renowned matriarch.  One of the fics I just read (can't remember which one, at the moment) had a phenomenal chapter focused on Liara and her time at the university, and it really highlighted the crushing feeling of solitude that she experienced even when surrounded by people.

I think that the fact that she's even willing to attempt to be sociable is a testament to the strength of her character.  I imagine that if I were forced to endure what she has (speculatively) endured, I'd probably hate everyone and everything.

[jlb524]

I agree that Liara prefers solitude due to the reasons mentioned. I would imagine she had no real close friends growing up nor in her days at the university (especially b/c of the social stigma with purebloods).



I'm not sure if this makes her shy though....depends on how you define the word I guess. One can wish to avoid others as they feel alienated from them/cannot connect with them and not be shy. People that are shy do avoid others. I think there's a difference.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, though I also think being a person who prefers solitude more of adds to the ackwardness.

I'm not sure about that.  It can be this way, but not necessarily.

TMA LIVE wrote...

Some people just aren't good at being social among strangers, and are more of a listener then a talker. Especially among people who don't trust you. You more of gravitate to the person who does, or the one that has more authority.

I think being a good listener should be considered being social.  You just prefer one role to the other.  I tend to think of people that aren't good at being social would avoid any contact with people, even if it's just listening to anothers problems.  But I do agree that a person will gravitate towards the one that trusts them.

[pacer90]

Liara strikes a strange balance. She's not brash by any means, but she can be very blunt when something means a lot to her.



After all she tells Kaidan/Ashley that she is unlike any rival they've ever met etc when confronted about Shepard's true intentions. Very straightforward when asking Shepard how he/she feels too.

[jlb524]

pacer90 wrote...

Liara strikes a strange balance. She's not brash by any means, but she can be very blunt when something means a lot to her.

After all she tells Kaidan/Ashley that she is unlike any rival they've ever met etc when confronted about Shepard's true intentions. Very straightforward when asking Shepard how he/she feels too.

Yes, that's why I don't think Liara's shy.  If she was, she would have avoided these confrontations and avoided admitting feelings for Shepard alltogether.  

Liara's an introvert that prefers her solitude, but she's not 'shy' as in bashful/timid.  When she has to be forward and do or say something she will.

[TMA LIVE]

By social, I mean someone who's good at starting and continuing conversations. Not someone you isn't the best at communicating with others. I see Liara as someone who needed someone to start first, and needs someone to keep the conversation going.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 décembre 2010 - 04:42 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

By social, I mean someone who's good at starting and continuing conversations. They aren't the best at communicating with others. I see Liara as someone who needed someone to start first, and needs someone to keep the conversation going.

So, basically you mean an extrovert. 

Liara's definitely not one of those.

[TMA LIVE]

I did an edit, so I'm not sure if what you asked still applies.

[TMA LIVE]

Yeah, she isn't a extrovert.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 décembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[TheMarshal]

@jlb: I think you're pretty much right on. Though in my experience with my own shyness, I found that listening to others was a relatively "safe" way to be social. I found that I enjoyed it, and even became rather good at it.



@pacer: Also good points. It seems like her social skills are present, if not more than a little unrefined/inelegant. (Also, yours was the story I was referring to earlier. Phenomenal 2nd chapter!)

[jlb524]

I mean, what about Liara in ME2? Would you call her shy or awkward there?



I would say 'no', and I don't think Liara necessarily changed much from ME1 to ME2. I just think the situation she finds herself in is different. She has to give up some of her solitude in order to get the job done and she was willing to do so and was quite successful. She doesn't like what she's doing, but has to do it and she is capable of it. I think this is why Liara ultimately prefers the Shadow Broker position...she gains the solitude back and usually only interacts with close friends on a day to day basis (Shepard and Feron)

[TheMarshal]

I think you're right that she hadn't necessarily changed in ME2, but in my first playthrough the way she behaved certainly felt jarring. I'm just happy as hell that LotSB came out.

[jlb524]

Yeah, it was quite jarring. I guess that's what they wanted to do, supposedly, to get people to try out the new LIs.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I've always loved the scene in which she argues with Charles Saracino, and it's great to watch her denounce his jingoistic approach to politics.

Yeah, I remember him telling Liara how an alien wouldn't understand, and I'm like "You're not earning points by talking bad to my girlfriend, Mr. Saracino."

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I've always loved the scene in which she argues with Charles Saracino, and it's great to watch her denounce his jingoistic approach to politics.

Yeah, I remember him telling Liara how an alien wouldn't understand, and I'm like "You're not earning points by talking bad to my girlfriend, Mr. Saracino."

Where/when was this?

(Man I need to do another playthrough...)

[jlb524]

Liara's dialog depends who you take with you. I think you hear more from Liara if you take Garrus or Wrex as opposed to Ashley (who interjects more than the others).  I should record that the next time I run through ME1.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 décembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[TheMarshal]

Ah, now I remember that scene. I think I had Ash and Liara with me at the time (since they were my default crew for the latter half of ME1). I'll have to see how Liara handles it without Ashley's strong personality blocking the way.

[jlb524]

Yeah, Ashley (and Kaidan) always get more dialog than Liara does (possibly b/c they are the two main LIs). Liara seems to get more than the others though. That's what I've noticed at least.