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[TMA LIVE]

Unused audio from Lair of the Shadow Broker:

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[Sunnie]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

You might want to fix that and say "from some players POV", because (the first time I played through ME2) I assumed that, since she is in the Information business she knew what had transpired and I thought she was most likely involved.  I got this even though the scene was some of the worst writing I have seen in any game or story, and they basically used that as an opportunity to push players on to the shiny new "G" rated romances.  Only because so many of us raised a stink did they go back and rewrite Liaras part in ME2.

You didn't know about the comic that already revealed Liara's involvement before you played ME2?

Nope, I did not read the comic, still haven't, yet I made that connection pretty easy. There was a lot of info given to us players prior to meeting Liara again, I guess some of us are just better at deducing what is likely going on than others. Still, I know of players that didn't make that deduction and still stayed true to Liara. The bottom line is, don't blame Liara if you cheated on her, it was your decision to do so, so own up to it.  You probably would have done it anyway regardless with all the excuses you have given over the last 6 months, I would say that Bioware was successful in redirecting you towards a new romance.

[TMA LIVE]

Sunnie22 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

You might want to fix that and say "from some players POV", because (the first time I played through ME2) I assumed that, since she is in the Information business she knew what had transpired and I thought she was most likely involved.  I got this even though the scene was some of the worst writing I have seen in any game or story, and they basically used that as an opportunity to push players on to the shiny new "G" rated romances.  Only because so many of us raised a stink did they go back and rewrite Liaras part in ME2.

You didn't know about the comic that already revealed Liara's involvement before you played ME2?

Nope, I did not read the comic, still haven't, yet I made that connection pretty easy. There was a lot of info given to us players prior to meeting Liara again, I guess some of us are just better at deducing what is likely going on than others. Still, I know of players that didn't make that deduction and still stayed true to Liara. The bottom line is, don't blame Liara if you cheated on her, it was your decision to do so, so own up to it.  You probably would have done it anyway regardless with all the excuses you have given over the last 6 months, I would say that Bioware was successful in redirecting you towards a new romance.

Wait, wait wait. I'm not making excuses. I already knew Liara recovered Shepard's body months before the game came out, because they announced the comic. This wasn't meant to be "my" reason for anything, nor a reason people did anything. I only realised Shepard might be wondering why Liara didn't ask any question just an hour ago, and pointed it out.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[ACC3SS]

TMA LIVE wrote...

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Nice! The FemShep same-sex romance options are particularly interesting. Looks like BioWare changed their stance during development. For worse, in my opinion.

[TMA LIVE]

ACC3SS wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

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Nice! The FemShep same-sex romance options are particularly interesting. Looks like BioWare changed their stance during development. For worse, in my opinion.

Yeah, it means the Normandy Cabin Scene was written during ME2's development, before they scrapped Jack, Miranda, and Tali as possible Femshep options.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[Sunnie]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

You might want to fix that and say "from some players POV", because (the first time I played through ME2) I assumed that, since she is in the Information business she knew what had transpired and I thought she was most likely involved.  I got this even though the scene was some of the worst writing I have seen in any game or story, and they basically used that as an opportunity to push players on to the shiny new "G" rated romances.  Only because so many of us raised a stink did they go back and rewrite Liaras part in ME2.

You didn't know about the comic that already revealed Liara's involvement before you played ME2?

Nope, I did not read the comic, still haven't, yet I made that connection pretty easy. There was a lot of info given to us players prior to meeting Liara again, I guess some of us are just better at deducing what is likely going on than others. Still, I know of players that didn't make that deduction and still stayed true to Liara. The bottom line is, don't blame Liara if you cheated on her, it was your decision to do so, so own up to it.  You probably would have done it anyway regardless with all the excuses you have given over the last 6 months, I would say that Bioware was successful in redirecting you towards a new romance.

Wait, wait wait. I'm not making excuses. I already knew Liara recovered Shepard's body months before the game came out, because they announced the comic. This wasn't meant to be "my" reason for anything. I only realised Shepard might be wondering why Liara didn't ask any question just an hour ago, and pointed it out.

I see. Well, you have a history of bashing Liara and basing your suppositions on your own interpretation of just a few lines of dialog, just go back through the old Liara thread for 6 or so months and you will see what I am talking about.
It's dangerous to make claims of how a character thinks when its left so open to each individual players interpretations, maybe you should not have gone there?

[TMA LIVE]

Sunnie22 wrote...

I see. Well, you have a history of bashing Liara and basing your suppositions on your own interpretation of just a few lines of dialog, just go back through the old Liara thread for 6 or so months and you will see what I am talking about.
It's dangerous to make claims of how a character thinks when its left so open to each individual players interpretations, maybe you should not have gone there?

I say what I think, and I say what I don't like. I don't attack people for it. However, as much as I said bad things, it doesn't mean I've said nothing good, at all, ever. Now I'm sorry I offended you.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[jlb524]

That's it, it is left up to interpretation by your Shepard...that's the point of roleplaying.

None of my Shepards thought Liara was acting 'cold-hearted' in ME2, as they understood the situation was tough for her. My first Shepard did think Liara had moved on in two years and she was troubled by that, but wouldn't put any blame on Liara. My second Shepard (the one I'm playing ME2 with now) will believe that Liara still cares for her and knows that she's acting the way she is due to her death and being gone for two years. She won't push Liara or ask her a bunch of questions, figuring Liara just needs her space and will come around in time.

Modifié par jlb524, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

That's it, it is left up to interpretation by your Shepard...that's the point of roleplaying.

None of my Shepards thought Liara was acting 'cold-hearted' in ME2, as they understood the situation was tough for her. My first Shepard did think Liara had moved on in two years and she was troubled by that, but wouldn't put any blame on Liara. My second Shepard (the one I'm playing ME2 with now) will believe that Liara still cares for her and knows that she's acting the way she is due to her death and being gone for two years. She won't push Liara or ask her a bunch of questions, figuring Liara just needs her space and will come around in time.

Ok, it's up to interpretation. I never even thought about why she doesn't ask anyways, because as the player, I already knew about it, so I didn't pop into my head. I just only thought of it now, and the reason Liara doesn't ask.

Anyways, it was just an idea for a misinterpretation some may of had. This wasn't meant to be something against Liara.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[jlb524]

The scene was poorly written for one. Also, yes, interpretations vary...you made it seem like you though only one was valid.

[pacer90]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

Liara on the other hand probably won't do much that will stand out to show what she is made of, unless someone pushes her. Ex: Ashley/Kaidan romantic rivals. Terra Firma guy. She's not going to show it on her own, she'll be happy to listen and watch as others do things.

I don't think Liara is passive like that, though. During a certain debriefing, Ashley will sarcastically ask Liara if she was ever put in charge of the mission, due to the fact that Liara takes something of a commanding and assertive role during that specific cutscene. I think this shows that while she is somewhat introverted and socially inexperienced, Liara is more than willing and capable of taking on a more active role in her interactions with other people. I've never perceived her to be a passive observer.

Hmmm I don't think I explained what I meant. She takes the assertive role because she needs to, and defends her position because she ISNT shy.

However would she be Wrex/Ashley/Jack taking on problems in a bull headed fashion? Are you going to know her personality as soon as you walk into a room? No, I don't believe so.

But like Kaidan/Samara Liara takes the quiet strength role. When you ask her she will tell you about herself. When you need her she shows her skills. And when you push her she backs up herself.

In my humble opinion

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

The scene was poorly written for one. Also, yes, interpretations vary...you made it seem like you though only one was valid.

I'm just defending why one might think that, so it's not just one way. When you were saying "My sources said you were alive" as an example for Shepard to know Liara knows that Shepard actually died and came back, etc. I was simply saying "No, it isn't" because it could be interpreted as something else.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Pwnisher]

I agree with the above post say that Liara is the strong, silent type. It's good to be that way, keeps you more focused. It also seems that anyone in the game who shoots their mouth sucks at combat, in my humble opinion.

[Sandbox47]

Didn't care enough to read the posts before this (there are 47 frikin pages) so here are my thoughts:

As SB Liara will have power over the Citadel, the Terminus people and loads of merc groups and politicians in general. I, for one, can see the use of such a resource.

[drwells123]

TMA LIVE wrote...

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Interesting, thanks for posting. A shame they dropped all those romance options.

[TheMarshal]

Spent most of this morning writing, and I managed to find my FemShep's voice. Still working on Liara's, though. Talking about her personality has helped, but until I actually start writing a story with her as the central focus, I think it'll still remain unclear. I wanna make sure I have both of their voices ready before I start my main storyline.

[bjdbwea]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, it means the Normandy Cabin Scene was written during ME2's development, before they scrapped Jack, Miranda, and Tali as possible Femshep options.

That is indeed the most likely explanation. And it makes it even more likely that the terrible Liara scene in the main game was just a quickly thrown together replacement for the initially planned content, which was probably cut quite late during development. I would suspect that this was done because they wanted to make additional money by selling it later, as is often the case with DLC, but since the depth, polish and overall quality of LotSB are in my opinion so much better than those of the main game, it is more likely that the content was simply not finished when ME 2 "had" to be released. Fortunately, they then made very good use of the additional time, so that LotSB could become the masterpiece that it is.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 28 décembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Spent most of this morning writing, and I managed to find my FemShep's voice. Still working on Liara's, though. Talking about her personality has helped, but until I actually start writing a story with her as the central focus, I think it'll still remain unclear. I wanna make sure I have both of their voices ready before I start my main storyline.

Good luck with that.

bjdbwea wrote...

Fortunately, they then made very good use of the additional time, so that LotSB could become the masterpiece that it is.

Yes, they did.  I guess ideally it would have been better for them to delay releasing ME2 and include all that content in the retail version, but that's not how the game works anymore, I guess.  They want to make more money off DLC.

Modifié par jlb524, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[jlb524]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Didn't care enough to read the posts before this (there are 47 frikin pages) so here are my thoughts:
As SB Liara will have power over the Citadel, the Terminus people and loads of merc groups and politicians in general. I, for one, can see the use of such a resource.

Yeah, I think it's obvious that Liara will be a huge aid to Shepard in ME3.  I find this quite exciting.  Though, this will probably mean she won't be a squad mate for most of the game.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Sandbox47 wrote...

Didn't care enough to read the posts before this (there are 47 frikin pages) so here are my thoughts:
As SB Liara will have power over the Citadel, the Terminus people and loads of merc groups and politicians in general. I, for one, can see the use of such a resource.

Yeah, I think it's obvious that Liara will be a huge aid to Shepard in ME3.  I find this quite exciting.  Though, this will probably mean she won't be a squad mate for most of the game.

As long as Bioware can find a way to interject some banter between Liara and Shep, I think I'll be happy with her just being the Shadow Broker.

[jlb524]

I agree. I find good and plenty dialog beats having someone available as a squad mate. If she is the quest giver, Shepard will have to speak with her at specific points in the story, so that's the perfect time to allow dialog between the two, including some romance stuff.

[TMA LIVE]

I just hope the romance doesn't just amount to just one dialogue scene, and everything else is the same if you were a friend. I really want a version A, version B difference.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 décembre 2010 - 07:23 .

[Collider]

It'd be strange for Liara to give up being the broker to join Shepard's squad.

I like jlb's idea. Keep a dialog with Liara throughout the story, with extra bits (or a completely different set of conversations) for those who romanced her. And she remains being the Shadow Broker, simply helping Shepard from afar.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I just hope the romance doesn't just amount to just one dialogue scene, and everything else is the same if you were a friend. I really want a version A, version B difference.

I'm sure each conversation will have a few extra choices for those that did romance her, though, depending on the conversation, not all of them might have romance possibilities. 

I mean, if Liara informs you that the Reapers are 'going to town' on the Earth there just won't be flirty options available.