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[AlexMBrennan]

TIM makes it very clear in his musings that Shep destroyed the Collector Operations (Base)

I assume that you are referring to the following line

Karpyshyn, D. (2010). Mass Effect: Retribution

Shepard --- with Cerberus's help --- had destroyed the Collector operations.

Notice that the word "base" does not appear in that quote; presumably killing all Collectors would also count as destroying their operations. Given that the books go to great length to avoid mentioning Shepard's decisions (or any personal facts) it may not be wise to base an argument on a few ambiguously worded sentences.

[AndroLeonidas]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

TIM makes it very clear in his musings that Shep destroyed the Collector Operations (Base)

I assume that you are referring to the following line

Karpyshyn, D. (2010). Mass Effect: Retribution
Shepard --- with Cerberus's help --- had destroyed the Collector operations.

Notice that the word "base" does not appear in that quote; presumably killing all Collectors would also count as destroying their operations. Given that the books go to great length to avoid mentioning Shepard's decisions (or any personal facts) it may not be wise to base an argument on a few ambiguously worded sentences.

Hmmm... unless you know of some other Collector Operation that we are unaware of... it is probably safe to assume that the base is gone (Canon) This sentence even reaffirms it more.

Cerberus had salvaged ket pieces of technology from the remains of the Collector operation

It goes further to state that Cerberus was setting up a facility to conduct these experiments which also eludes to the fact that the Collector Base is no more. IMHO the facts and statements in the book are more than enough evidence to me that the Base is no more. (Canon wise) You may see otherwise in your opinion but I think the facts are on my side. Ambiguity or no.

And personal facts regarding Shepard bear no weight to the Collector base being still around or destroyed I think. Considering what happens at the end of the game if you destroy the base I would think Shep wouldn't be going out of his way to phone hom eto Cerberus. IMO of course.

Modifié par AndroLeonidas, 29 décembre 2010 - 06:22 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just when through a rushed playthrough. I wanted to see if you could romance Liara in LOTSB if you romanced her, had the confrontation, pick Kaidan, and then killed him. Sadly, it didn't happen, but it was nice hearing her tell you how happy she is having both you and Feron back.

I was going to try that as I heard it worked but alas, I guess not.

I decided (with this one Shepard) to just pick Liara in ME1 but turn down her offer before Ilos.  Oddly enough, the couples first kiss will be that awkward one on Illium

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I'm looking forward to new DLC soon, but I doubt that it will add anything to, or even really refer to LotSB, since any good DLC is going to be stand-alone by nature.

Yeah, I doubt it too.  I'm sure any new DLC can be completed at anytime, and LotSB won't be required for it.

It would be nice though if they added some more stuff to the Shadow Broker Intel center; more vids or something, but I doubt  that.

JamieCOTC wrote...

Liara as the "quest giver" could be interesting.

Liara: Shepard, stop nuzzling me!
Shepard: I don't wanna.
Liara: I gave you a mission, now get dressed and go!
Shepard: One more kiss?
Liara: People could die! Go!
Shepard: I might not come back, y'know.
Liara: Oh, allright *kiss* Now, GO!
Shepard: I'm going! I'm going!

Shepard knows how to wield guilt.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[Mr.House]

JamieCOTC wrote...
Liara as the "quest giver" could be interesting.

Liara: Shepard, stop nuzzling me!
Shepard: I don't wanna.
Liara: I gave you a mission, now get dressed and go!
Shepard: One more kiss?
Liara: People could die! Go!
Shepard: I might not come back, y'know.
Liara: Oh, allright *kiss* Now, GO!
Shepard: I'm going! I'm going!

Epic win! Tho I think my Shepard would still bother Liara for another kiss

Modifié par Mr.House, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:09 .

[jlb524]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Whatever DLC comes out, given she is now the SB, I believe Liara will play a large role. As someone said earlier, how can you still get missions from TIM when you and Miranda have the option of telling him to taking a frakking leap off a bridge at the end of the SM. And Retribution states in the first chapter that Cerberus and Shepard had gone their seperate ways and the Collector Base was destroyed I'm pretty sure.

I don't think this is possible given that LotSB isn't mandatory...it's DLC.

Also, I'm sure any future DLC could be completed before LotSB so Liara wouldn't necessarily always be the Shadow Broker.

I wouldn't mind seeing little things, like the email to kick-off the DLC has Liara's name on it instead of The Illusive Man's (if you've completed LotSB).

About the base, I don't think Retribution is stating that the base was destroyed.  Their operation was destroyed, i.e., the harvesting of human colonists.  That was ended when Shepard either blew up the base or just killed all the Collectors, including the general.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Sunnie]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I'm sorry for my actions lately, I'm still annoyed with much, so so not great. We do have the right and speak out, I know there be complainers, etc.. I hope all your holidays are well and good. I have nothing in mind now, Brain kinda lazy right now, XD Mass Effect now on PS3 soon. I need new games on it. XD I tried the demo it were good, can be kinda different, better grachics and etc.. it have.

A couple things..
1. You do not have the right to just say anything you want. There are Site Rules for a reason.
2. The above post is not even remotely on topic, please refrain from cluttering up the thread with completely off-topic posts.

Thanks!

Modifié par Sunnie22, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Xilizhra]

I may have said this before, but your avatar is remarkably squee-worthy, Sunnie.

JamieCOTC wrote...

Liara as the "quest giver" could be interesting.



Liara: Shepard, stop nuzzling me!

Shepard: I don't wanna.

Liara: I gave you a mission, now get dressed and go!

Shepard: One more kiss?

Liara: People could die! Go!

Shepard: I might not come back, y'know.

Liara: Oh, allright *kiss* Now, GO!

Shepard: I'm going! I'm going!

Eh, I could delay Leliana... I'm sure I can for Liara too.

[TMA LIVE]

Xilizhra wrote...

I may have said this before, but your avatar is remarkably squee-worthy, Sunnie.

JamieCOTC wrote...
Liara as the "quest giver" could be interesting.

Liara: Shepard, stop nuzzling me!
Shepard: I don't wanna.
Liara: I gave you a mission, now get dressed and go!
Shepard: One more kiss?
Liara: People could die! Go!
Shepard: I might not come back, y'know.
Liara: Oh, allright *kiss* Now, GO!
Shepard: I'm going! I'm going!

Eh, I could delay Leliana... I'm sure I can for Liara too.

Unless she lifts you away.

[Xilizhra]

Oh, my... that could easily end up as another biotic fight.

[jlb524]

I was wondering earlier how bad life was growing up and living with the pureblood stigma in asari culture. I do believe they are oppressed but in subtle ways; nothing as obvious as the City Elves in DA:O, for example.



I also wonder if the stigma was easier (or harder) for Liara to deal with when compared to an average pureblood asari given that Liara came from a powerful and wealthy household.



What thoughts do you all have?

[Xilizhra]

This is sort of a wild guess, but... black people in 70's America? Maybe?



As for Liara's specific parentage, it probably made things a bit easier for her; connections usually do.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

jlb524 wrote...

I was wondering earlier how bad life was growing up and living with the pureblood stigma in asari culture. I do believe they are oppressed but in subtle ways; nothing as obvious as the City Elves in DA:O, for example.

I also wonder if the stigma was easier (or harder) for Liara to deal with when compared to an average pureblood asari given that Liara came from a powerful and wealthy household.

What thoughts do you all have?

I agree that the oppression wouldn't be as out in the open or obvious as the poor City Elves. The asari are generally considered to be a respected, civilised race. It wouldn't do to have such outright signs of oppression. Making snide remarks to pureblood asari, on the other hand...

I think it's possible that coming from a wealthy, well-known household could have made things more difficult for Liara. She may already have felt isolated from others her age because of her mother's standing - potential jealousy maybe. Add in the pureblood aspect and I can imagine Liara being quite a lonely child.

[Sunnie]

Catching up with Liara!

[jlb524]

That achievement now has bling.

[Sable Phoenix]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think that Liara's status as the daughter of a powerful and wealthy Matriarch would result in her being somewhat more accepted among other asari, and any discriminatory behaviour that she would have been subjected to would have been nowhere near as severe as that of other purebloods.

You think so?  I would venture that, if asari are anything like humans (and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same, save for blue skin and species-wide lack of wang), that Liara would've been subjected to even more scrutiny and prejudice than an "average" pureblood child.

Might be one of the things that was responsible for her slightly stunted development when it comes to social interaction.  She's just not very good at reading people, not even in ME2.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I do think that Liara's status as the daughter of a powerful and wealthy Matriarch would result in her being somewhat more accepted among other asari, and any discriminatory behaviour that she would have been subjected to would have been nowhere near as severe as that of other purebloods.

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Would children care about that sort of thing though? They probably wouldn't even think about things in those terms. Adults would be more likely to put stock in an individual's place in society, so maybe when she was older her status could have made a difference. Kids don't always know any better and can be cruel. They may just have seen a rich pureblood and taunted her for that. I think I'm shooting myself in the foot a bit with my argument here though. My point is that kids see things in simpler terms. Jealousy directed towards the rich kid, and cruel taunts for her pureblood status.

[jlb524]

That's a good point, Stealthy. A child wouldn't fear any kid of retaliation from Benezia due to their taunting of Liara. They don't care. As both you and Sable said, she probably would have been subjected to more bullying and taunting due to her class.



It also depends on how much contact she would have had with asari from other classes. Liara might not have had any, only being exposed to children of other powerful and wealthy matriarchs.

[Sandbox47]

Can anyone think of a human equivalence of pureblood? I guess it might be like being the child of a ****st or something. Or maybe being someone who is fanatically religious.

[TMA LIVE]

Or maybe Liara was privately taught? You know, someone payed to teach Liara at home?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 29 décembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

I was wondering earlier how bad life was growing up and living with the pureblood stigma in asari culture. I do believe they are oppressed but in subtle ways; nothing as obvious as the City Elves in DA:O, for example.

I also wonder if the stigma was easier (or harder) for Liara to deal with when compared to an average pureblood asari given that Liara came from a powerful and wealthy household.

What thoughts do you all have?

I'm conflicted on this point.  On the one hand, being the daughter of someone influential and wealthy could elevate her status somewhat.  On the other hand, I've found that social circles which are made up of children of the wealthy/powerful tend to be a little more harsh on anyone that stands out even a little.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hmm. Interesting points. I'm wondering if the parents may have informed their children about Liara's status as the daughter of an esteemed Matriarch, though? If these asari look toward Benezia for wisdom and guidance, I can imagine them feeling quite uncomfortable if their children were teasing her only daughter.

Amongst Benezia's followers and disciples, Liara was obviously expected to follow in her mother's footsteps. I think this had little to do with her status as a pureblood, though.

Most likely she had it easier because of her mother. If they couldn't do anything, they'd most like just pretend she doesn't exist, unless forced.