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[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Like I'd like to see Liara challenged, and have to overcome that challenge. Instead of Shepard coming in to save the day, Liara can simple ask, "I'm worried that I'm not doing what needs to be done... I need to know... am I doing the right thing? What should I do?". In which Shepard can give support, and tell her you believe in her. Or tell her your beliefs, but say you trust her to do what's right. And based on that, Liara leaves and makes her own choice.

But still, Shepard is the one giving all the advice and practically telling Liara what to do...do not want.  Now, if Liara does what she does irregardless of Shepard's advice, it would work, but I doubt it would be implemented that way.

I don't mind if she has challenges that she overcomes herself, though...similar to some things that happened while Shepard was dead.

[adneate]

Kronner wrote...
Tthis is kind of important to me since my femShep that romances Liara is straight.

She's not anymore.

[Kronner]

ACC3SS wrote...

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AHAHAHAHA :D:lol:


EDIT: I should put an end to this instead of merely laughing, I suppose.

The Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183 says that "while asari have only one gender, they are not asexual like single-celled life—all asari are sexually female"

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lol, now I have to go back to old save, avoid the nice talks with Thane and RP her as a lesbian. Poor Jacob's not getting any convos either.

[jwalker]

Kronner wrote...

How is Liara female? Aren't asari mono-gendered?

mono-gendered =/= genderless
mono-gendered : 1 gender. female.

asari are all female.

[Xilizhra]

But still, Shepard is the one giving all the advice and practically telling Liara what to do...do not want. Now, if Liara does what she does irregardless of Shepard's advice, it would work, but I doubt it would be implemented that way.

Now, if Liara does what she does irregardless of Shepard's advice, it would work, but I doubt it would be implemented that way.

Now, if Liara does what she does irregardless of Shepard's advice

irregardless of Shepard's advice

irregardless

THERE IS NO SUCH BLOODY WORD
WHAAAARRGARBL

Anyway, while seeing Liara be corrupted might be interesting and would let me pursue other potential asari LIs... no, it's really not worth it.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[adneate]

Kronner wrote...
lol, now I have to go back to old save, avoid the nice talks with Thane and RP her as a lesbian. Poor Jacob's not getting any convos either.

Yes, because lesbians don't talk to men. That's how you can tell.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Like I'd like to see Liara challenged, and have to overcome that challenge. Instead of Shepard coming in to save the day, Liara can simple ask, "I'm worried that I'm not doing what needs to be done... I need to know... am I doing the right thing? What should I do?". In which Shepard can give support, and tell her you believe in her. Or tell her your beliefs, but say you trust her to do what's right. And based on that, Liara leaves and makes her own choice.

But still, Shepard is the one giving all the advice and practically telling Liara what to do...do not want.  Now, if Liara does what she does irregardless of Shepard's advice, it would work, but I doubt it would be implemented that way.

I don't mind if she has challenges that she overcomes herself, though...similar to some things that happened while Shepard was dead.

Hmm, well how about it's based on how Shepard "raised" her? Example, she'll make choices because of how Renegade Shepard influenced her over the pasted 2 games? And vise versa for Paragon players?

Anyways, I don't mind giving advice, as long as it's them discussing, and her making the choice. You know, instead of Shepard walking in, and saying "you're doing this", or simply speaking for her.

[Kronner]

adneate wrote...

Kronner wrote...
lol, now I have to go back to old save, avoid the nice talks with Thane and RP her as a lesbian. Poor Jacob's not getting any convos either.

Yes, because lesbians don't talk to men. That's how you can tell.

I doubt she would be interested in romancing males, unfortunately in ME2 it is either conversation leading to a romance or nothing.

But what the heck, she still has Liara so who cares

Modifié par Kronner, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Hmm, well how about it's based on how Shepard "raised" her? Example, she'll make choices because of how Renegade Shepard influenced her over the pasted 2 games? And vise versa for Paragon players?

No, even worse.  Just leave Liara's 'corruption' out all together and just let Liara work and help Shepard out with the Reapers.   Shepard will have enough problems without allies turning bad and needing saved.

TMA LIVE wrote...
Anyways, I don't mind giving advice, as long as it's them discussing, and her making the choice. You know, instead of Shepard walking in, and saying "you're doing this", or simply speaking for her.

Advice is fine, but it will depend on how it's presented.

[ACC3SS]

Xilizhra wrote...

irregardless

THERE IS NO SUCH BLOODY WORD
WHAAAARRGARBL

Perhaps you weren't aware of this, but language is an ever-changing beast. Excluding a word from whatever dictionary you treat like your Holy Bible does not condemn it to the depths of hell. Irregardless has appeared in print since 1912. It's extremely common in North American dialect.
Perhaps you're not from the region?

Learning is fun.

Modifié par ACC3SS, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:01 .

[TMA LIVE]

I don't know. I just don't like things being prefect, with no problems besides a galaxy to save. Nor do I like relationship where neither cares or has influence on what the other is doing. I like characters to support each other, and have to go through difficult moments. Not "I do my thing, and you do your thing. So while you kick puppies, I'll run an orphanage."

Actually, another thing I'd want is for Liara to try and question your actions. She already tried to persuade you before in ME1, so I'd like her to do it again, and question your reasons.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:56 .

[Xilizhra]

ACC3SS wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

irregardless

THERE IS NO SUCH BLOODY WORD
WHAAAARRGARBL

Cry much?
Perhaps you weren't aware of this, but language is an ever-changing beast. Excluding a word from whatever dictionary you treat like your Holy Bible does not condemn it to the depths of hell. Irregardless has appeared in print since 1912. It's extremely common in North American dialect.
Perhaps you're not from the region?

Learning is fun.

Then clearly, these heretics of English must die.
(I don't actually care a great deal; damn the Internet for not getting inflection across).

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't know. I just don't like things being prefect, with no problems besides a galaxy to save. Nor do I like relationship where neither cares or has influence on what the other is doing. I like characters to support each other, and have to go through difficult moments. Not "I do my thing, and you do your thing. So while you kick puppies, I'll run an orphanage."

Actually, another thing I'd want is for Liara to try and question your actions. She already tried to persuade you before in ME1, so I'd like her to do it again, and question your reasons.

There can be problems...there are loads of possibilities besides using tired old trite cliches. 

I'm against one very specific problem, not problems in general.

Supporting each other is also fine, again, as long as it doesn't undermine all that Liara has accomplished.  Support is also a two way street...how can she be there and support Shepard if she's too busy being corrupted by power or becoming Indoctrinated?  She'd be pretty much useless at that point.

Modifié par jlb524, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[TMA LIVE]

I'm just saying, I wouldn't want Liara to be this pure, good will person, who's running a good and respected business, but is marrying a pure, cold hearted, racist sociopath. You get what I'm saying?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Kronner wrote...

edit: seems to me Codex does not say they are female, this is kind of important to me since my femShep that romances Liara is straight.

>snrk<  Shyeah right.

Liara has breasts and a birth canal.  FemShep has breasts and a birth canal.  The fact that one is blue and one is pink is immaterial.

Bi, sure.  Straight, hardly.

And yeah, having Liara need to be rescued by Shephard would be utterly unnecessary and utterly detrimental to both the character and the story at this point.  I'd love to see them have some conversations like in LOTSB ("So how are you really doing"), where they're each confiding in each other and supporting each other.  It would even be cool to stand the trope on its head and have Liara rescue Shepard at the beginning of the game.  But no damsel in distress.  By now, as the Shadow Broker, Liara is a damsel who distresses others.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:26 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, I wouldn't want Liara to be this pure, good will person, who's running a good and respected business, but is marrying a pure, cold hearted, racist sociopath. You get what I'm saying?

That's another problem entirely.  Realistically, she wouldn't be attracted to someone like that in the first place.

I'm also not sure what Liara becoming corrupted and needing saved has to do with that.

[ACC3SS]

Xilizhra wrote...
Then clearly, these heretics of English must die.
(I don't actually care a great deal; damn the Internet for not getting inflection across).

Derp. My bad, Xilizhra.
Honestly: If only the internet would embrace elcor speech patterns...

jlb524 wrote...
Support is also a two way street...how can she be there and support Shepard if she's too busy being corrupted by power or becoming Indoctrinated?
She'd be pretty much useless at that point.

All this talk of Liara breaking down makes me sad
If the game takes this sort of route I'm picking up my pen and writing a worthy script.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, I wouldn't want Liara to be this pure, good will person, who's running a good and respected business, but is marrying a pure, cold hearted, racist sociopath. You get what I'm saying?

That's another problem entirely.  Realistically, she wouldn't be attracted to someone like that in the first place.

I'm also not sure what Liara becoming corrupted and needing saved has to do with that.

No, no. I don't want to her to be saved. More of what path she'll take next, maybe. Though if she was taken over, then she'd need saving, but I don't really want that, unless Bioware does something different.

[oxymoo28]

This is probably the most on topic thread I have ever come across

Having read through all the previous pages (yes all 53 of them) I have to say I agree that Liara's position as the Shadow Broker, plus the fact she's the only squadmate that couldn't die at any point, means she'll play a prominent role in ME3.

I personally don't see Bioware going down the indoctrination route because wouldn't that equate to her needing to be killed? (I know Shiala is no longer indoctrinated but that was due to the Thorian)

Also an unavoidable Liara death = The Death of My Xbox Remote, and my inability to function due to Chronic Nerd Rage.

[TMA LIVE]

Anyways, a way Shepard and Liara would be able to talk is if she was the quest giver. Similar to the Council, she'd give her advice, and her disprovals.

[oxymoo28]

@TMA yeah that's the sort of role I expect she'll fill in ME3, however I'd love for her to be squaddie even if only during the latter part of the game.

That's a question I wanted to ask actually. If Liara were to become a squadmate, how would her role differ from Samara's (in terms of combat capabilities/powers)? Because in ME/ME2 I see them both being cast as the Asari With Badass Biotics.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

No, no. I don't want to her to be saved. More of what path she'll take next, maybe. Though if she was taken over, then she'd need saving, but I don't really want that, unless Bioware does something different.

We are talking about two separate things then. 

The only thing I'm against is Liara being corrupted/indoctrinated and Shepard needing to save her from herself...just a psychological thing...it undermines Liara's strength of will.

If the Reapers attack the base and Liara needs saved just from death, that's fine and that's a completely different thing.

Modifié par jlb524, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:36 .

[ACC3SS]

oxymoo28 wrote...
That's a question I wanted to ask actually. If Liara were to become a squadmate, how would her role differ from Samara's (in terms of combat capabilities/powers)? Because in ME/ME2 I see them both being cast as the Asari With Badass Biotics.

They have extremely different personalities. They don't even share a combat skill in ME2. I don't see any overlap.
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