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[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

No, no. I don't want to her to be saved. More of what path she'll take next, maybe. Though if she was taken over, then she'd need saving, but I don't really want that, unless Bioware does something different.

We are talking about two separate things then. 

The only thing I'm against is Liara being corrupted/indoctrinated and Shepard needing to save her from herself...just a psychological thing...it undermines Liara's strength of will.

If the Reapers attack the base and Liara needs saved just from death, that's fine and that's a completely different thing.

Yeah, I don't want a KOTOR moment. But I'd like to have an effect on what path Liara might have.

[Captain Iglo]

Maybe you can decide in the end of ME3 to either advice Liara to stay in the role of the SB for the good of the galaxy or to step down and find a place quiet with Shep together.

[oxymoo28]

@Captain Iglo that sounds like the sort of choice Bioware would put at the end of the game. I would choose finding a place with Shepard every single time, or that is, I'd choose asking her to settle down with my Shep, ultimately it's up to Liara.

[ACC3SS]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Maybe you can decide in the end of ME3 to either advice Liara to stay in the role of the SB for the good of the galaxy or to step down and find a place quiet with Shep together.

If only you could walk around Illium with pregnant Liara in tow... browsing high-end appartments for sale... Liara making comments about each....

"Goddess, this suite has an amazing view! Can we-"
"Afford it?" chuckles Shepard. "Saving the galaxy does have its perks, you know."
Liara grabs Shepard's hand excitedly. "Wouldn't it be a magnificent place to raise her? There's a school just over there. A park, too... Oh, Shepard," she whispers, tears welling up in her sky-blue eyes, "I think this is the place..."
"I think you're right."

[JamieCOTC]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Maybe you can decide in the end of ME3 to either advice Liara to stay in the role of the SB for the good of the galaxy or to step down and find a place quiet with Shep together.

That would be cool.

In all seriousness I want a KOTOR ending in that there are many options. 

Reapers die - Shepard and Liara go off to have little blue children.
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard remain lovers. 
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard split up.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard goes on to live his/her life.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard, in utter despair, disappears into the void of space.
Reapers die - Liara is indoctrinated and Shepard is forced to kill her. 
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker, but devotes her life to doing good deeds.
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker and becomes Liaribastila in the next game.
Reapers die - Both Shepard and Liara are killed, but they die together.
Reapers die - Liara is killed and Shepard is killed later in the endgame. 
Reapers die - The entire crew including Liara and Shepard are killed in the onslaught. 
Reapers win. Everybody dies. 

[Mr.House]

I would like that during the game our dialog with her influences what she will do at the end of the game, it's also possible that she will give full control to Feron.

JamieCOTC wrote...


That would be cool.

In all seriousness I want a KOTOR ending in that there are many options. 

Reapers die - Shepard and Liara go off to have little blue children.
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard remain lovers. 
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard split up.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard goes on to live his/her life.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard, in utter despair, disappears into the void of space.
Reapers die - Liara is indoctrinated and Shepard is forced to kill her. 
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker, but devotes her life to doing good deeds.
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker and becomes Liaribastila in the next game.
Reapers die - Both Shepard and Liara are killed, but they die together.
Reapers die - Liara is killed and Shepard is killed later in the endgame. 
Reapers die - The entire crew including Liara and Shepard are killed in the onslaught. 
Reapers win. Everybody dies. 

Also this! I would love if Bioware did this!

[Captain Iglo]

I personaly expect, no matter if its Liara or someone else, that the SB and his/her network will survive ME3 and be THE tool/character to create connections between all Mass Effect Spin offs.
In my opinion it would be a perfect opportunity for Bioware to have that linking Chracter/Myth/Organisation in all games.

This is also where I am at a personal dilemma! Do I want to have a great happy ending with my Shep and Liara where they will find a place quiet and create a family. Or am I willing to let Bioware give no chance/choice in a death of Liara or her stepping down as Shadow Broker to secure her survival as the Shadow Broker and her appearance in all future franchise games.

So what I want more...super awesome happy ending...or seeing my favorite MeE character in future MAss effect games which I will play no matter what type of gameplay.

Howver I could also be totally wrong about that^^

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Reapers die - Shepard and Liara go off to have little blue children.
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard remain lovers. 

I'll take one of these two, depending on the Shepard. 

[ACC3SS]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

ACC3SS wrote...

If only you could walk around Illium with pregnant Liara in tow... browsing high-end appartments for sale... Liara making comments about each....

"Goddess, this suite has an amazing view! Can we-"
"Afford it?" chuckles Shepard. "Saving the galaxy does have its perks, you know."
Liara grabs Shepard's hand excitedly. "Wouldn't it be a magnificent place to raise her? There's a school just over there. A park, too... Oh, Shepard," she whispers, tears welling up in her sky-blue eyes, "I think this is the place..."
"I think you're right."

You should write fanfiction...I often think about things like this! I try to imagine how Shepard and Liara will live together after the Reapers have been defeated. It has the potential to be so beautiful!

Yeah? I read a lot of fiction, but I've never tried writing any.
Besides, Jen has set a hell of a high bar for Liara fan fic. My time would be better spent prodding her until she got annoyed and wrote another chapter of Duty Calls.

[jbauck]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Alternatively, the pair of them could temporarily squabble like an old married couple, which was obviously featured in LotSB. Such interaction can add depth and realism to their relationship, whilst simultaneously being entertaining and funny to the player too. In reality, couples will argue and disagree with each other all the time. A temporary argument like this could add further depth to the romance.

I near-squee at just the thought of more LotSB-like banter.  And, having finished yet another playthrough (and caught up on everything I missed on this thread ... that took some doing), I am once again back to being torn about the optimal place to put LotSB.  I like playing it early because the total lack of satisfying Liara content throughout main-ME2 makes it hard to play and LotSB serves as a nice mid-game pick-me-up ... but LotSB is just so good at level 30 for Ultimate Action!Liara, and her Boundless Biotic Badassery.

On the subject of ME3 relationship angst ... I agree with jlb and others about Liara slipping to the dark side and/or being indoctrinated.  Do Not Want.

Other angst, however, could be awesome ... not necessarily angst about their relationship, but their own internal angst being discussed within the safe confines of their solid relationship, like the thoroughly awesome post-LotSB cabin-scene.  In ME3, maybe Liara has to make some hard choices - and Shepard is there to listen and say "I love you".  Maybe Shepard has to make some hard choices - and Liara is there to listen and say "I love you".

So, I guess ... I'm in favor of a kind of schmoopy non-angst.  And more Paragon!Kiss Interrupts.

Liara: I've had such a terrible day.  First, Feron took the last of the coffee and didn't make more, and then the VI -
Shepard: *Blue-Flash, Right-Click*
Liara:  Well.  My day just got better.

Modifié par jbauck, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:29 .

[jlb524]

ACC3SS wrote...

Besides, Jen has set a hell of a high bar for Liara fan fic. My time would be better spent prodding her until she got annoyed and wrote another chapter of Duty Calls.

Aw, thanks.  Tomorrow I shall finish the next chapter!!!!!!

Or Saturday, if I party too much.


Also, I'm not opposed to many different possibiliites if they are optional.  The Aribastila thing wasn't optional though...it was forced on you no matter what decisions you made involving those two characters.  Hence, it becomes 'canon' and I do not want that.

I don't care what others decide to do in their games, though.

[jlb524]

jbauck wrote...

I near-squee at just the thought of more LotSB-like banter.  And, having finished yet another playthrough (and caught up on everything I missed on this thread ... that took some doing), I am once again back to being torn about the optimal place to put LotSB.  I like playing it early because the total lack of satisfying Liara content throughout main-ME2 makes it hard to play and LotSB serves as a nice mid-game pick-me-up ... but LotSB is just so good at level 30 for Ultimate Action!Liara, and her Boundless Biotic Badassery.

I still like to do it after.  Though, the last time I played, I didn't ask her about her anger towards the Shadow Broker and missed the 'couldn't let you go' dialog....I like this better, as I really loved the dialog you get in LotSB instead.

jbauck wrote...

So, I guess ... I'm in favor of a kind of schmoopy non-angst.  And more Paragon!Kiss Interrupts.

Liara: I've had such a terrible day.  First, Feron took the last of the coffee and didn't make more, and then the VI -
Shepard: *Blue-Flash, Right-Click*
Liara:  Well.  My day just got better.

Yes, do want!

Ironically, I actually like angst, but just not too much and I like for things to eventually end up happy.

[JamieCOTC]

Liara in future games

Depending on when those games are set, it could be easy. If set 200 years in the future, Shep would be gone. Even w/ the super happy ending, they could do it. Just as Leliana/Zev had to be in other places in DA: Awakening, Shep could be in another part of space while Liara tends to a few matters. I have doubts she will be a squadmate in any future games and I don't think she has the same level of plot armor as Morrigan in DA, but I would not be surprised if she popped up as an important NPC down the road. Asari Councilor maybe?

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:41 .

[JamieCOTC]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, additional passionate kiss Paragon interrupts are an absolute necessity!

Amen to that!

[ACC3SS]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, additional passionate kiss Paragon interrupts are an absolute necessity!

I think we need a signature banner for this.

"I SUPPORT PARAGON INTERRUPT KISSES"

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Liara in future games

Depending on when those games are set, it could be easy. If set 200 years in the future, Shep would be gone. Even w/ the super happy ending, they could do it. Just as Leliana/Zev had to be in other places in DA: Awakening, Shep could be in another part of space while Liara tends to a few matters. I have doubts she will be a squadmate in any future games and I don't think she has the same level of plot armor as Morrigan in DA, but I would not be surprised if she popped up as an important NPC down the road. Asari Councilor maybe?

I agree.  Liara would provide a link back to the original series.  I wouldn't be surprised if they did do this.

If not, there really wouldn't be any link to it, besides the lore.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

In all seriousness I want a KOTOR ending in that there are many options. 

Reapers die - Shepard and Liara go off to have little blue children.
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard remain lovers. 
Reapers die - Liara remains the Shadow Broker and she and Shepard split up.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard goes on to live his/her life.
Reapers die - Liara is killed, Shepard, in utter despair, disappears into the void of space.
Reapers die - Liara is indoctrinated and Shepard is forced to kill her. 
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker, but devotes her life to doing good deeds.
Reapers die - Shepard is killed and Liara remains the Shadow Broker and becomes Liaribastila in the next game.
Reapers die - Both Shepard and Liara are killed, but they die together.
Reapers die - Liara is killed and Shepard is killed later in the endgame. 
Reapers die - The entire crew including Liara and Shepard are killed in the onslaught. 
Reapers win. Everybody dies. 

I would love if something like this happend. Granted that the last ending is non-canon.

As for what kind of drama/tension Liara and Shepard will face in ME3. I did think the whole "Darkside/Lightside Liara" thing had a possibility of happening before LOTSB was released, back then, we didn't know how the hunt for the SB would end and perhaps it would result in some sort of moral choice that will change Liara's alligment in ME3.
But with LOTSB I think any sort of "Liara will go crazy with power/revenge etc." plot is out the question. I still think ME3 should bring up the whole thing regarding being the SB without breaking your morals, it should just not be a major theme of Liara's character in ME3.

As for a indoctrination subplot. I would like it, but it should be reserved for someone else (Anderson maybe?).

[JamieCOTC]

Lizardviking wrote...

As for what kind of drama/tension Liara and Shepard will face in ME3. I did think the whole "Darkside/Lightside Liara" thing had a possibility of happening before LOTSB was released, back then, we didn't know how the hunt for the SB would end and perhaps it would result in some sort of moral choice that will change Liara's alligment in ME3.
But with LOTSB I think any sort of "Liara will go crazy with power/revenge etc." plot is out the question. I still think ME3 should bring up the whole thing regarding being the SB without breaking your morals, it should just not be a major theme of Liara's character in ME3.

As for a indoctrination subplot. I would like it, but it should be reserved for someone else (Anderson maybe?).

The writing is less than consistent in Liara’s missions.   


“Wait a minute Liara, one second ago you wouldn’t let me help you with the Shadow Broker and now you will?  Girl, I love you to death, but wtf?” 

[jlb524]

LOL, yeah, that's what happens when the ME2 and LotSB dialog was written separately but shoved together.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

As for what kind of drama/tension Liara and Shepard will face in ME3. I did think the whole "Darkside/Lightside Liara" thing had a possibility of happening before LOTSB was released, back then, we didn't know how the hunt for the SB would end and perhaps it would result in some sort of moral choice that will change Liara's alligment in ME3.
But with LOTSB I think any sort of "Liara will go crazy with power/revenge etc." plot is out the question. I still think ME3 should bring up the whole thing regarding being the SB without breaking your morals, it should just not be a major theme of Liara's character in ME3.

As for a indoctrination subplot. I would like it, but it should be reserved for someone else (Anderson maybe?).

The writing is less than consistent in Liara’s missions.   

“Wait a minute Liara, one second ago you wouldn’t let me help you with the Shadow Broker and now you will?  Girl, I love you to death, but wtf?” 

Don't know if I should take that as an agreement or not.

Still, funny screenshot is funny.