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[jlb524]

I personally don't like that idea. I would prefer it if Liara lives out her full asari life.



I don't think the 'angst' is a big deal to asari, as they expect their partners to die many years before they do.

[Xilizhra]

It'd be rather pointless, I think. There's no need to drag someone else into death with you just because you have a shorter lifespan.

[Lord Zeuss]

Xilizhra wrote...

It'd be rather pointless, I think. There's no need to drag someone else into death with you just because you have a shorter lifespan.

Okay, I think you're putting words in my mouth here. I wouldn't suggest *Shepard* be responsible for a lifespan shrinkage (I agree, selfish and downright creepy). To put it another way, if something happens in ME3, something vitally important to defeating the Reapers, which requires Liara to sacrifice eight hundred something years of her life (or possibly even die), what would you think of it?

Please note of course that I do not expect anything of the sort to happen in ME3, especially the part about her possibly dying. Liara will never die in Mass Effect, I guarantee it. In fact, I think it's more likely that something happens in ME3 that makes her immortal, and I'm serious.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 01 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[TheMarshal]

I'd be strongly opposed to Liara's lifespan being altered, since it would fundamentally change a part of who she is. I've been rolling around various conversations between my Shep and Liara regarding the "time that I won't come back", and I can't think of any resolution to it at the moment. So I'm gonna wave my hands and say "happily ever after" for the long-term.



For the short term, I can't imagine either Liara or my Shep giving up their current paths. Liara wouldn't want Shepard to stop diving into the fray, and Shepard wouldn't want Liara to stop doing what is dear to her. I foresee a few years of using the Shadow Broker resources for some good old-fashioned heroing. Then, once Liara gives birth, take a couple decades off until the child reaches a self-sufficient age (and winds up on Omega shaking her back-end, in one of my fics), and then...? *waves hands* Happily ever after!

[Xilizhra]

Okay, I think you're putting words in my mouth here. I wouldn't suggest *Shepard* be responsible for a lifespan shrinkage (I agree, selfish and downright creepy). To put it another way, if something happens in ME3, something vitally important to defeating the Reapers, which requires Liara to sacrifice eight hundred something years of her life (or possibly even die), what would you think of it?

I meant in a narrative sense; I didn't mean to imply Shepard would do it. I just don't see any point.

[Sparrow44]

However ME3 turns out i.e who survives that kind of deal, I would think Liara has to think about her role with the Shadow Broker network and whether she decides to maintain her role possibly after the Reapers have been defeated, and it's a role she could possibly hold onto for nearly a thousand years.

So whatever Liara's choices are I don't see her altering her lifespan just for Shep, even after he/she is gone Liara would still have to maintain order in the galaxy so to speak.

[jlb524]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Okay, I think you're putting words in my mouth here. I wouldn't suggest *Shepard* be responsible for a lifespan shrinkage (I agree, selfish and downright creepy). To put it another way, if something happens in ME3, something vitally important to defeating the Reapers, which requires Liara to sacrifice eight hundred something years of her life (or possibly even die), what would you think of it?

For starters, that would no longer be romance dependent and it should work for all Shepards.

I guess it's fine if Liara has to do this for the greater good.    I hope they don't do something like this, though.

[Lord Zeuss]

Yeah, well, like I said, I wouldn't expect anything like that to happen, it's just something that lodged in my head and wouldn't go away, so I was forced to think about it.

[Sparrow44]

You're not the only one, I end up thinking up different theories on characters for a day about what the future holds for them. I'm just worried that Liara is gonna become more distant and somewhat ruthless than she was in ME2 as the SB.

I know LotSB is a very good story arc for people wanting to see some of the old Liara and I agree it was very nostalgic to have her back but I'm also worried that now she's pushed even further to the behavior we see when we meet her on Illium.

[jlb524]

I don't have too much of a problem with her becoming a bit more Ruthless in ME3 (the PC may have a chance to influence that). As long as she doesn't turn 'evil' or something, then it's good.



I think we will still see a continued mix of the 'old' Liara from ME1 with the Liara now that is responsible for running the galaxy's largest and most powerful info network. Some difficult decisions might have to be made that go against her morals but must be done for the sake of the galaxy.

[Lord Zeuss]

Edit: Post deleted. Extraneous, not character discussion.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 01 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't have too much of a problem with her becoming a bit more Ruthless in ME3 (the PC may have a chance to influence that). As long as she doesn't turn 'evil' or something, then it's good.

I think we will still see a continued mix of the 'old' Liara from ME1 with the Liara now that is responsible for running the galaxy's largest and most powerful info network. Some difficult decisions might have to be made that go against her morals but must be done for the sake of the galaxy.

I couldn't imagine her actually turning evil, but it would be very interesting if Shepard asked her to do something that went against her own moral code.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I couldn't imagine her actually turning evil, but it would be very interesting if Shepard asked her to do something that went against her own moral code.

Yeah, my theory is that a Shepard who made a lot of Paragon choices throughout the series will have an easier time rallying the galaxy to the cause.  Diplomacy with the turians/asari/salarians will be easier if you didn't kill the Council in ME1.  Diplomacy will be easy with the krogan if you have the potential genophage cure data.  Diplomacy with the quarians will be easier if you helped Tali out (and she's still alive).

Also, you have the Rachni alive and willing to aid you.

A Shepard with Renegade choices (especially if still on good terms with Cerberus) will have a more difficult time convincing the other species to join the cause.  Therefore, they will need some extra 'leverage' which could take the form of blackmail.   Liara has all this info about their governments at her fingertips, so I could see that being used against these species leaders to force them to cooperate.  I'm sure there are other possible examples, but that's the more obvious one.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'd love it if Kate and Liara were to raise their two children on both Earth and Thessia, as this would expose them to human and asari culture and result in them acquiring a unique perspective of both species, and the galaxy at large. I like to imagine the Shepard-T'Soni family enjoying their lives together in contentment and happiness, with both parents deeply in love with each other and enjoying their time as devoted bondmates.

I never thought about where the pair would ever settle down at...it doesn't matter much to me. 

Hmm, not sure I like the idea of a kids growing up on two planets. Usually kids hate that, because you're seperating them their friends, and the places they like.

[jlb524]

I agree in that I'd prefer one place....probably Thessia. Earth can be visited from time to time.

[JamieCOTC]

Not to change the subject, but I would like the prothean vision to come back into play. I kind of hated that they all but threw that away in ME2. Maybe it's not just a warning but a map to a weapon or the weapon itself. Either way, it would mean more melding w/ Liara.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 01 janvier 2011 - 04:22 .

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I would like the prothean vision to come back into play. I kind of hated that they all but threw that away in ME2. Maybe it's not just a warning but a map to a weapon or the weapon itself. Either way, it would mean more melding w/ Liara.

Yes, there could be a lot more information held witin the visions.  Liara was just looking for specifics in ME1 and probably didn't get the chance to look at the entire vision or really analyze it in detail.

It should come back into play, I agree.  A potential resource is just sitting their in Shepard's head.

[TMA LIVE]

Alright, this is a bit better upload:

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 janvier 2011 - 04:52 .

[TMA LIVE]

Barquiel wrote...

The Liara pic is gorgeous:wub:

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I'm sure there are multiple locations where the pair of them could settle down together in relative peace.

Shepard still has her apartment on Intai'sei (Pinnacle Station DLC)...

Yeah, but that place sucked. I'd have cabin fever just from living there a month.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I couldn't imagine her actually turning evil, but it would be very interesting if Shepard asked her to do something that went against her own moral code.

Yeah, my theory is that a Shepard who made a lot of Paragon choices throughout the series will have an easier time rallying the galaxy to the cause.  Diplomacy with the turians/asari/salarians will be easier if you didn't kill the Council in ME1.  Diplomacy will be easy with the krogan if you have the potential genophage cure data.  Diplomacy with the quarians will be easier if you helped Tali out (and she's still alive).

Also, you have the Rachni alive and willing to aid you.

A Shepard with Renegade choices (especially if still on good terms with Cerberus) will have a more difficult time convincing the other species to join the cause.  Therefore, they will need some extra 'leverage' which could take the form of blackmail.   Liara has all this info about their governments at her fingertips, so I could see that being used against these species leaders to force them to cooperate.  I'm sure there are other possible examples, but that's the more obvious one.

You know, I kind of hate that renegades players might get a free pass on all the things they did, simply because they were forced to be friends with Liara. I don't like the idea of them taking advantage of her.

[Captain Iglo]

*ugh* pain in myhead

anyway...happy newyeahr Liara fans...is gonna be an exciting year lets hope for some great moments with our favorite blueberry!!

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I couldn't imagine her actually turning evil, but it would be very interesting if Shepard asked her to do something that went against her own moral code.

Yeah, my theory is that a Shepard who made a lot of Paragon choices throughout the series will have an easier time rallying the galaxy to the cause.  Diplomacy with the turians/asari/salarians will be easier if you didn't kill the Council in ME1.  Diplomacy will be easy with the krogan if you have the potential genophage cure data.  Diplomacy with the quarians will be easier if you helped Tali out (and she's still alive).

Also, you have the Rachni alive and willing to aid you.

A Shepard with Renegade choices (especially if still on good terms with Cerberus) will have a more difficult time convincing the other species to join the cause.  Therefore, they will need some extra 'leverage' which could take the form of blackmail.   Liara has all this info about their governments at her fingertips, so I could see that being used against these species leaders to force them to cooperate.  I'm sure there are other possible examples, but that's the more obvious one.

You know, I kind of hate that renegades players might get a free pass on all the things they did, simply because they were forced to be friends with Liara. I don't like the idea of them taking advantage of her.

Or it could come bite them in the ass.  If fear is the sole motivator, then "removal" of the thing which is causing the fear means that they're no longer subjugated to it.  So if the governments band together to take out the Shadow Broker...

Not something I like to think about, although the idea of the ship being attacked and Liara/Feron making a last-second escape would make for some exciting gameplay!

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

You know, I kind of hate that renegades players might get a free pass on all the things they did, simply because they were forced to be friends with Liara. I don't like the idea of them taking advantage of her.

Yeah, I know...but realistically, they will have to be able to gather forces and complete the game as the Paragons can.

I don't think they are really taking advantage either...they got themselves into a bit of a mess and Liara will just be helping them out of it.  Liara might not like it, but it has to be done or the Reapers will do their reaping.

Modifié par jlb524, 01 janvier 2011 - 05:31 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

You know, I kind of hate that renegades players might get a free pass on all the things they did, simply because they were forced to be friends with Liara. I don't like the idea of them taking advantage of her.

Yeah, I know...but realistically, they will have to be able to gather forces and complete the game as the Paragons can.

I don't think they are really taking advantage either...they got themselves into a bit of a mess and Liara will just be helping them out of it.  Liara might not like it, but it has to be done or the Reapers will do their reaping.

I just don't want the same people who wanted a slap trigger for Liara, and chance to kill her and have the original Shadow Broker remain in power, as well as loved blaming her for bring you back, to be saved by her.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 janvier 2011 - 06:01 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, but I don't think these were all Renegade players necessarily. Some are pleased to be allied with Liara.