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Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:12
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Well, I'm not painting every renegade under the same light (renegons are cool). Just the ones that wanted the stuff above. (or below the previous page)
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:16
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Happy new year to all Liara fans! It's late enough here that my hangover is kicking in ><
Anyway, I'd like to agree with jlb (again...) my shep is renegade but agrees with Liara on almost every point. He's paragon with squadmates, it's only the council and outsides forces that make him renegade.
And adding to "themarshal's" point I still stand by the fact that Liara will not remain as the shadow broker for too long. The position seems ripe for a massive displacement through an attack or outside force. She's either going to be forced out of her position or going to give it up to help shepard, leaving Feron and the VI to take over.
maybe not what I want to see, but it seems to be the obvious plot line that they are following.
Anyway, I'd like to agree with jlb (again...) my shep is renegade but agrees with Liara on almost every point. He's paragon with squadmates, it's only the council and outsides forces that make him renegade.
And adding to "themarshal's" point I still stand by the fact that Liara will not remain as the shadow broker for too long. The position seems ripe for a massive displacement through an attack or outside force. She's either going to be forced out of her position or going to give it up to help shepard, leaving Feron and the VI to take over.
maybe not what I want to see, but it seems to be the obvious plot line that they are following.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:17
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Oh yeah, Happy New Year to all!
Party time!
Party time!
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:21
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pacer90 wrote...
Anyway, I'd like to agree with jlb (again...) my shep is renegade but agrees with Liara on almost every point. He's paragon with squadmates, it's only the council and outsides forces that make him renegade.
Yeah, my point was more about Renegade choices and not necessarily Renegade Shepards.
I have a Shep that makes the major Paragon choices, but has a full Renegade bar (with some Paragon points of course) as she has a temper sometimes and takes the Intimidate options a lot as well as the interrupts.
She still treats her squad mates good, as she's still a good leader.
I could have left the whole 'Paragon/Renegade' morality thing out of my original post and just said that some past choices made by Shepard could leave the Commander in a bind in ME3 when it comes to gathering allies.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:24
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I want to hug Party Liara so bad right now ^-^
Then dance with her.
Oh, I've got a Liara and Luna picture to post! All compliments go to Sunnie, who just so happens to be superawesome.
Then dance with her.
Oh, I've got a Liara and Luna picture to post! All compliments go to Sunnie, who just so happens to be superawesome.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:32
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jlb524 wrote...
Yeah, my point was more about Renegade choices and not necessarily Renegade Shepards.
I have a Shep that makes the major Paragon choices, but has a full Renegade bar (with some Paragon points of course) as she has a temper sometimes and takes the Intimidate options a lot as well as the interrupts.
She still treats her squad mates good, as she's still a good leader.
I could have left the whole 'Paragon/Renegade' morality thing out of my original post and just said that some past choices made by Shepard could leave the Commander in a bind in ME3 when it comes to gathering allies.
I assumed as much, despite my state
On a similar tangent, does anyone else find it difficult to play a pure renegade playthrough and romance Liara? It never felt right... a Shepard that killed the Rachni, killed Shiala, killed the colonists and sacrified the council never sit right with me. Even romancing Ashley/Kaidan was weird when you were that brutal but Liara... it was too much. Couldn't do it.
Which resulted in me not finishing that playthrough
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:40
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Personally, I prefer to romance Liara with Paragons, Paragades, or Renegons....all make the big Paragon decisions, though.
I can't go pure Renegade at all, let alone also romance Liara, but that's just me. If people can pull it off in their RP then more power to them.
I can't go pure Renegade at all, let alone also romance Liara, but that's just me. If people can pull it off in their RP then more power to them.
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Happy New Year! Party time!
Anyway, the recent discussion about Liara perhaps being forced into doing things that go against her moral compass got me thinking. I'm reminded of a certain conversation with Captain Anderson in ME1, specifically the one in which he states that soldiers and leaders are often forced into difficult decisions in which there is no truly "correct" answer. To a certain extent, these responsibilities and obligations that a leader has to undertake could be one of many reasons as to why Liara was subjected to her ME2/LotSB character development: to showcase that she possesses the necessary skills required in order to work as the Shadow Broker, and be a competent leader of such a vast and powerful organisation.
Captain Anderson is regarded as being one of the most Paragon characters in the entire series thus far, but even he admits that he's been forced into acting in a more ruthless and Renegade manner. I think the same applies to Liara. When it's absolutely necessary and there's no other option, Liara may be forced into making unpleasant decisions.
Anyway, the recent discussion about Liara perhaps being forced into doing things that go against her moral compass got me thinking. I'm reminded of a certain conversation with Captain Anderson in ME1, specifically the one in which he states that soldiers and leaders are often forced into difficult decisions in which there is no truly "correct" answer. To a certain extent, these responsibilities and obligations that a leader has to undertake could be one of many reasons as to why Liara was subjected to her ME2/LotSB character development: to showcase that she possesses the necessary skills required in order to work as the Shadow Broker, and be a competent leader of such a vast and powerful organisation.
Captain Anderson is regarded as being one of the most Paragon characters in the entire series thus far, but even he admits that he's been forced into acting in a more ruthless and Renegade manner. I think the same applies to Liara. When it's absolutely necessary and there's no other option, Liara may be forced into making unpleasant decisions.
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Oh, and I could never see a pure Renegade Shepard paired up with Liara. Hell, I think it's unrealistic to expect any LI to fall in love with a pure Renegade Shepard. However, I understand that there are game design limitations that have to be considered.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 10:55
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After playing DA and even BG (liking the Jaheira picture, by the way) it seems almost like an oversight that paragon and renegeade players both share the same set of basically paragon romances. You might not notice it on your first playthrough but it doesn't do the characters any favours the next time.
But anyway, if they really did have Liara as she was in ME2 to properly set her up as a suitable shadow broker later on I can only hope that means she'll be important in ME3, not sure they would've taken the effort otherwise. Looking forward to it.
But anyway, if they really did have Liara as she was in ME2 to properly set her up as a suitable shadow broker later on I can only hope that means she'll be important in ME3, not sure they would've taken the effort otherwise. Looking forward to it.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 12:47
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01/01/2011(2186):
"Last night’s observance of the human New Year on the Citadel is already being called “the shower of gold,” and is getting endless coverage on morning news shows. After the New Year’s Eve time ball was stolen, event organizers created an emergency team to stage the climactic moment. After assembling over 350 biotic attendants, organizers dumped four hundred kilos of glitter and mylar strips at the base of the spire. During the final countdown, the biotics lifted the mass into the sky, held it there with singularities, then, as strobe lights fired in time with the new year, pushed and pulled the sparkles into a tornado that rained down on partygoers. “I got it all over my scalp and some in my mouth,” said one asari, “but I also proposed to my bondmate at midnight, so I’d say the night was a big success.”
Not that this doesn't make sense, but I simply hadn't thought of the fact that perhaps Liara would be the one who proposes to Shepard, instead of the other way around. Just another thing to ****** of Terra Firma supporters. Just another thing for the mums of female Sole Survivor Shepards to find a little awkward, but ultimately endearing.
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"Last night’s observance of the human New Year on the Citadel is already being called “the shower of gold,” and is getting endless coverage on morning news shows. After the New Year’s Eve time ball was stolen, event organizers created an emergency team to stage the climactic moment. After assembling over 350 biotic attendants, organizers dumped four hundred kilos of glitter and mylar strips at the base of the spire. During the final countdown, the biotics lifted the mass into the sky, held it there with singularities, then, as strobe lights fired in time with the new year, pushed and pulled the sparkles into a tornado that rained down on partygoers. “I got it all over my scalp and some in my mouth,” said one asari, “but I also proposed to my bondmate at midnight, so I’d say the night was a big success.”
Not that this doesn't make sense, but I simply hadn't thought of the fact that perhaps Liara would be the one who proposes to Shepard, instead of the other way around. Just another thing to ****** of Terra Firma supporters. Just another thing for the mums of female Sole Survivor Shepards to find a little awkward, but ultimately endearing.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 01:06
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yorkj86 wrote...
01/01/2011(2186):
"Last night’s observance of the human New Year on the Citadel is already being called “the shower of gold,” and is getting endless coverage on morning news shows. After the New Year’s Eve time ball was stolen, event organizers created an emergency team to stage the climactic moment. After assembling over 350 biotic attendants, organizers dumped four hundred kilos of glitter and mylar strips at the base of the spire. During the final countdown, the biotics lifted the mass into the sky, held it there with singularities, then, as strobe lights fired in time with the new year, pushed and pulled the sparkles into a tornado that rained down on partygoers. “I got it all over my scalp and some in my mouth,” said one asari, “but I also proposed to my bondmate at midnight, so I’d say the night was a big success.”
Not that this doesn't make sense, but I simply hadn't thought of the fact that perhaps Liara would be the one who proposes to Shepard, instead of the other way around. Just another thing to ****** of Terra Firma supporters. Just another thing for the mums of female Sole Survivor Shepards to find a little awkward, but ultimately endearing.
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Interesting.
Also happy new year for everyone.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 01:12
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Or male Sole Survivor Shepards, for that matter. That might be delightfully awkward for Hannah, too.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 01:14
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Or male Sole Survivor Shepards, for that matter. That might be delightfully awkward for Hannah, too.
Sole survivor Shepards?
Dont you mean spacer Shepard?
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 01:24
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Oh, and I could never see a pure Renegade Shepard paired up with Liara. Hell, I think it's unrealistic to expect any LI to fall in love with a pure Renegade Shepard. However, I understand that there are game design limitations that have to be considered.
I disagree. Renegade does not neccesarily means evil. Renegade means doing what is neccesary and that the end justifies the means. Paragon's definition is self-control and self sacrefice at the indiscriminate betterment of everyone else.
Let's sum things up judged on character's in-game actions:
Garrus will kill a redeemable man out of personal motivations and will not always care for bystanders: Renegade
Miranda will kill people out of vengeance, tying up loose ends or for good measure: Renegade
Jack will tear anyone getting on her badside a new one, regardless that the cause is personal trauma: Renegade
Jacob shows self-restraint around his father, wants to help the crashed crew and will openly stand up against Cerberus for amoral decisions: unconvincing Paragon
Thane: Will deny all responsibility and is a hired gun that killed hundreds, but when no longer contracted, will help the innocent and only target evil people. Feels remorse: Renegade turned Paragon.
Samara follows her code. Will help innocent, but won't hesitate killing bad people, no matter how redeemable they are: Paregade
Tali: Never actually seen killing anyone, doesn't hold grudges and will sacrefice her own reputation for the good of others: Paragon
Liara: Keeps her head down and does not partake in the galaxy, but after ME1 threatens people, is willing to break the law and holds grudges. Premeditates to kill the Shadow broker and his agents out of personal vengeance. Does that, then takes over the same organisation she hates for gain: At the very least a renegon. She doesn't do anything particulary Paragon. You can't use the past as a defence, or Jack is Paragon too. The two are actually quite similar, only Liara doesn't take her trauma as far.
As such, this female shadow broker pairs up quite well with Renegades I'd say. Pairing her up with Paragons means that she needs to be redeemed first.
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01/01/2011(2186):
"Last night’s observance of the human New Year on the Citadel is already being called “the shower of gold,” and is getting endless coverage on morning news shows. After the New Year’s Eve time ball was stolen, event organizers created an emergency team to stage the climactic moment. After assembling over 350 biotic attendants, organizers dumped four hundred kilos of glitter and mylar strips at the base of the spire. During the final countdown, the biotics lifted the mass into the sky, held it there with singularities, then, as strobe lights fired in time with the new year, pushed and pulled the sparkles into a tornado that rained down on partygoers. “I got it all over my scalp and some in my mouth,” said one asari, “but I also proposed to my bondmate at midnight, so I’d say the night was a big success.”
Not that this doesn't make sense, but I simply hadn't thought of the fact that perhaps Liara would be the one who proposes to Shepard, instead of the other way around. Just another thing to ****** of Terra Firma supporters. Just another thing for the mums of female Sole Survivor Shepards to find a little awkward, but ultimately endearing.
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Yeah, that's what I want. I want Liara to propose instead of Shepard.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 02:54
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Here's a quick idea I got.
So back in the ME1 ending theres the moment where Liara and the second squadmate plus Anderson thinks Shepard have been crushed under the debris from Sovereign.
So what if in ME3 after the big finale boss/battle is over and the war is finally won, a scene like the one I mentioned happens again but with reversed. With Shepard believing Liara to have died in whatever event that happend after the fight.
So back in the ME1 ending theres the moment where Liara and the second squadmate plus Anderson thinks Shepard have been crushed under the debris from Sovereign.
So what if in ME3 after the big finale boss/battle is over and the war is finally won, a scene like the one I mentioned happens again but with reversed. With Shepard believing Liara to have died in whatever event that happend after the fight.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 03:03
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But anyway, if they really did have Liara as she was in ME2 to properly set her up as a suitable shadow broker later on I can only hope that means she'll be important in ME3, not sure they would've taken the effort otherwise. Looking forward to it.
Oh, I'm almost certain that she will play a pivotal role in ME3's story, and will enjoy a significant amount of screentime. I think there's a reason as to why, aside from the romance, there are no variables attached to her character; it's to ease her implementation into ME3's story and narrative. The writers and developers do not have to account for a multitude of differing variables attached to her character, unlike most other Mass Effect characters. I'm almost certain that, in her role as the Shadow Broker, her presence will be crucial to Shepard's war effort against the Reapers.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 03:04
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
nerdage wrote...
But anyway, if they really did have Liara as she was in ME2 to properly set her up as a suitable shadow broker later on I can only hope that means she'll be important in ME3, not sure they would've taken the effort otherwise. Looking forward to it.
Oh, I'm almost certain that she will play a pivotal role in ME3's story, and will enjoy a significant amount of screentime. I think there's a reason as to why, aside from the romance, there are no variables attached to her character; it's to ease her implementation into ME3's story and narrative. The writers and developers do not have to account for a multitude of differing variables attached to her character, unlike most other Mass Effect characters. I'm almost certain that, in her role as the Shadow Broker, her presence will be crucial to Shepard's war effort against the Reapers.
She'll be a squadmate.
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I disagree. Renegade does not neccesarily means evil. Renegade means doing what is neccesary and that the end justifies the means. Paragon's definition is self-control and self sacrefice at the indiscriminate betterment of everyone else.
I'm aware of the fact that Renegade Shepard is not necessarily evil, but I do still believe that no LI would realistically fall in love with an individual that is often so brutal and ruthless without justification. I don't think it's fair to take a specific trait or action of a character, and judge their entire personality around it. You assert that Tali is Paragon, and yet she advocates the genocide of an entire sentient species. These characters are too nuanced and complex to simply apply arbitrary definitions of "Paragon" or "Renegade" to them.
For example, I don't think I could ever see Ashley falling in love with a Shepard who will mindlessly, pointlessly and brutally execute Shiala in cold blood. Yet, she's often considered to be one of the more Renegade ME1 squadmates.
Liara: Keeps her head down and does not partake in the galaxy, but after ME1 threatens people, is willing to break the law and holds grudges. Premeditates to kill the Shadow broker and his agents out of personal vengeance. Does that, then takes over the same organisation she hates for gain: At the very least a renegon. She doesn't do anything particulary Paragon. You can't use the past as a defence, or Jack is Paragon too. The two are actually quite similar, only Liara doesn't take her trauma as far.
Without wishing to go off on a tangent, but I think you're misunderstanding Liara's ME2/LotSB character development. Similar to my aforementioned Captain Anderson analogy in a previous post, Liara is only threatening people out of necessity. I believe that her dialogue and actions make it perfectly clear that she despises the fact that she's been forced into adopting this facade of ruthlessness, but has nonetheless done so because there is no other option. Captain Anderson, widely regarded as one of the most benevolent and "Paragon" characters in the entire franchise thus far, has admitted that he's been forced into acting in a ruthless manner in the past. He states that the galaxy can be an ugly place, and that people in his position have often been forced to make unpleasant decisions, often with no truly "correct" answer. This is virtually identical to the situation Liara finds herself in on Illium. She may despise that method of conducting oneself, but she's been forced to do so out of necessity.
Hell, my Paragon Shepard has openly defied the orders of the Citadel Council and Ambassador Udina. She committed mutiny, and stole the Normandy in order to travel to Ilos. She didn't particularly wish to work with an avowed terrorist organisation during the events of ME2, who have been responsible for some truly horrific atrocities in the past. My Paragon Shepard also unlocked every single cell door on Purgatory, causing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people, and the destruction of the entire station. She has slaughtered hundreds of mercenaries and soldiers in her military career. Do these actions make her a ruthless or Renegade person? No, because she's only acting out of necessity. I think this also applies to Liara.
Additionally, when one studies and analyses Liara's dialogue in both ME2 and LotSB, I think it's clear that her quest to take down the Shadow Broker was never built on revenge. On the contrary, I think it's apparent that Liara wished to achieve catharsis, and the Shadow Broker was the personification of the pain and misery that she had endured in the two years prior to the events of ME2. Liara has been tormented by her mourning for Shepard, her guilt over handing Shepard's corpse to Cerberus in her desperation to see the Commander resurrected, her fears that Shepard will hate her due to her actions, the fact that she's terrified that Cerberus will botch the Lazarus Project and bring Shepard back as a robo-zombie husk, and her guilt over Feron's capture. Her quest is not really one of revenge, but rather an attempt to ease herself of the pain and despair that she has endured, and regain her happiness. I think it's quite telling that she completely drops her plans to kill the Shadow Broker as soon as she is able to ascertain that Feron is still alive, and instead transforms it into a rescue mission. At that point, any thoughts of revenge had completely evaporated.
Furthermore, Liara's killing of the Observer was not an act of revenge, but rather of self-defence. If Nyxeris is correctly identified as the Observer, Liara will mention that assassination would have been one of her objectives. Combine this with the fact that Liara reinforced the window of her apartment with a kinetic barrier, and I think it's clear that she realises that her life was in danger on a daily basis. Her plan to kill the Observer was one of self-defence, and not one of vengeance. Also, Liara's killing of the Shadow Broker was purely incidental, as she and Shepard had planned to rescue Feron, and then leave the ship altogether. The Shadow Broker was confronted because Shepard and Liara had hoped to negotiate with him, and secure Feron's release from his imprisonment. After the Shadow Broker attacked, all hopes of reasoning with him had dissipated, and killing him was a means of ensuring their own survival. I maintain that revenge was not the true motivation behind Liara's actions, and that she was merely attempting to achieve catharsis for two years of pain.
Moreover, Liara does not view the Shadow Broker network as something that is inherently bad or evil. I refer you to a specific line of dialogue from Redemption, in which Liara states that credits does not necessarily have to be what motivates an information broker. Combine this with Liara's vow to use the Shadow Broker's network to assist Shepard's war effort against the Reapers, her promise to reform the Shadow Broker organisation, and her belief that the network can be used to help people, and I think it's clear that Liara intends to use her power, influence and resources for the power of good. She does not hate the Shadow Broker network itself, but rather the yahg who abused it for his own gain. Liara is not interested in power, and she clearly wants to help people.
Jack is in no way comparable to Liara. Jack enjoys all the killing, is a criminal, and fights to acquire credits and resources for her own gain. Jack is extremely callous when killing people, and lacks the thoughtful, contemplative and compassionate traits that are inherent to Liara's personality. They're almost polar opposites.
As such, this female shadow broker pairs up quite well with Renegades I'd say. Pairing her up with Paragons means that she needs to be redeemed first.
Considering everything that I said above, I completely disagree with this. Liara does not need to be "redeemed," not in the slightest. I see nothing to suggest that she has lost the compassion and empathy that is inherent to her character. Liara's actions on Illium are merely the manifestations of a fundamentally good person being inserted into an inherently bad situation, with no truly morally right answer. Liara will reject anything that is morally corrupt unless it's for the greater good, and there is no other option available. This is similar to the respective attitudes of Captain Anderson, or Paragon Shepard.
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Liara's more paragade then renegon. She was willing to put revenge away to save a life, once she found out Feron was still alive. A renegon would have picked revenge first.
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Or male Sole Survivor Shepards, for that matter. That might be delightfully awkward for Hannah, too.
Sole survivor Shepards?
Dont you mean spacer Shepard?
Yeah.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 06:14
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Liara's more paragade then renegon. She was willing to put revenge away to save a life, once she found out Feron was still alive. A renegon would have picked revenge first.
Liara is most definitely a Paragade.
She does the right thing, for the right reasons, but she is also a biological being with feelings. She has the same flaws that most everyone else has so she will make some decisions out of anger or angst. The average human in a mostly free society does the same thing.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 07:44
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Yeah, I think if you had to slap an alignment on Liara it would be Paragade.
Yeah, I kind of miss alignment dependent romances. Mass Effect just doesn't have them. They don't really care what decisions you make on the battlefield, nor how you treat them.
For instance, in ME1, my one Shepard was a bit mean to Liara after admitting that she checked into her background. This Shepard was still able to continue on with her Liara romance, though.
It's just pretty darn easy to romane people in these games....you just have to be the right gender, it seems, and they'll want you.
Nice pic, and that's my fave vid evar!
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After playing DA and even BG (liking the Jaheira picture, by the way) it seems almost like an oversight that paragon and renegeade players both share the same set of basically paragon romances. You might not notice it on your first playthrough but it doesn't do the characters any favours the next time.
Yeah, I kind of miss alignment dependent romances. Mass Effect just doesn't have them. They don't really care what decisions you make on the battlefield, nor how you treat them.
For instance, in ME1, my one Shepard was a bit mean to Liara after admitting that she checked into her background. This Shepard was still able to continue on with her Liara romance, though.
It's just pretty darn easy to romane people in these games....you just have to be the right gender, it seems, and they'll want you.
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I want to hug Party Liara so bad right now ^-^
Then dance with her.
Nice pic, and that's my fave vid evar!
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Posté 02 janvier 2011 - 01:53
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I agree that if you were to give an alignment to Liara it would be Paragade.
As for her joining the squad, there may well be a point in ME3 where the Reapers find the Shadow Broker base, either just because it's in the system they're moving through at that point or because they track it down because Liara is giving Shep intel. Shepard would maybe have to rescue her, either through a distress call or they get enough notice to rescue Liara before the Reapers get there. Or the base may have some sort of shuttle for emergencies (which is likely, given the base's location) and Liara shows up at Shep's location, whether on the Normandy or on a planet. Then there may be a choice on who to receive intel from after that, with the Paragon choice being The Council/Alliance and the Renegade choice being Cerberus.
As for her joining the squad, there may well be a point in ME3 where the Reapers find the Shadow Broker base, either just because it's in the system they're moving through at that point or because they track it down because Liara is giving Shep intel. Shepard would maybe have to rescue her, either through a distress call or they get enough notice to rescue Liara before the Reapers get there. Or the base may have some sort of shuttle for emergencies (which is likely, given the base's location) and Liara shows up at Shep's location, whether on the Normandy or on a planet. Then there may be a choice on who to receive intel from after that, with the Paragon choice being The Council/Alliance and the Renegade choice being Cerberus.
