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[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

To be fair. It could also make sense as long as you brought the right squadmates with you.

That's still an if....you may not have the right squad mates either...it doesn't matter one way or the other.

Also, it seems as if Liara is referring to Shepard when she says she needs someone with 'hacking expertise...someone I can trust'

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

To be fair. It could also make sense as long as you brought the right squadmates with you.

That's still an if....you may not have the right squad mates either...it doesn't matter one way or the other.

Also, it seems as if Liara is referring to Shepard when she says she needs someone with 'hacking expertise...someone I can trust'

I always bring Miranda and Garrus with me, and I assume that atleast Miranda is experienced regarding hacking things. And in my case, Liara knows all the people in front of her, so the line makes sense.

[jlb524]

Right, but the point is it won't always make sense.

[TheMarshal]

It would have been interesting had those quests been tailored to Shepard's class, but then I imagine it would have been difficult to bring everything back around to the Observer quest.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Those quests are largely meaningless, anyway. I think it's fairly obvious that the Liara content in the retail version of ME2 was largely a placeholder for LotSB.

Hell, if Nyxeris is not correctly identified as the Observer, she will quietly walk away at the start of LotSB, and is never mentioned again. It's like the writers wanted to forget about what happened on Illium.

I wonder if she still works for the shadow broker? Or perhaps when she saw Shepard handing the data regarding the SB to Liara she realised it was time to get a new job.

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Those quests are largely meaningless, anyway. I think it's fairly obvious that the Liara content in the retail version of ME2 was largely a placeholder for LotSB.

True enough.  I think I assigned a fair amount of significance to those quests because, at the time that I played them, I didn't have LotSB, and I felt that they demonstrated a drastic change in the way that Liara was treating Shepard, from lover to errand-girl.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I already said what I felt regarding the Illium cameo. It's terrible written, but with the right dialog choices and alot of headcanon, you can make a somewhat decent set-up for LTOSB.

But it could really use a re-write.

[AlexMBrennan]

I doubt that Nyxeris would keep working for the SB - she knows that Liara and Shepard are going after the SB; since this is followed by a power surge and a suspicious message about upgrades it's not hard to deduce that the old SB has been killed.



I believe that an alternative version has been recorded (youtube @ 2:55.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, both my primary and secondary Shepards are both biotics. During the events of ME1, I like to roleplay that my Adept canon Shepard practices and trains her biotics with Liara during shore leave, and that Liara's guidance and advice helps her to improve her Singularity. I think that, from a lore perspective, Liara's biotics are more powerful than that of an Adept Shepard, and that there is much to learn from an asari that has received commando training, and biotic tutelage from one of the galaxy's most powerful Matriarchs.

In actuality, it would be quite interesting if Liara actually teaches Shepard Singularity, and that she is unable to master that ability until she follows Liara's instructions.

Same thing, except I use that for how Shepard knows Stasis in ME2. She taught it to my Vanguard after ME1. It's also the same power her mother used, so it's most likely taught to Liara by her.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:37 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Right, but the point is it won't always make sense.

Yeah, it always feels like the 2 other people don't even exist. You're better off bringing people Liara had no past relationship with, as the reason why she doesn't talk to them. Same for the beginning of LOTSB. Apart of me wishes Shepard does most of Liara's content solo.

Anyways, since the Observer doesn't need to be killed anymore, does anyone still go through with the quest?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Right, but the point is it won't always make sense.

Yeah, it always feels like the 2 other people don't even exist. You're better off bringing people Liara had no past relationship with, as the reason why she doesn't talk to them. Same for the beginning of LOTSB. Apart of me wishes Shepard does most of Liara's content sole.

Anyways, since the Observer doesn't need to be killed anymore, does anyone still go through with the quest?

Yes. It grants a few more credits and it's part of setting up LOTSB.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
and is an important aspect of how I roleplay the rocky second chapter of my Shepard and Liara's romance during the events of ME2.

So how do you roleplay the whole thing if I may ask?

[jwalker]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Those quests are largely meaningless, anyway. I think it's fairly obvious that the Liara content in the retail version of ME2 was largely a placeholder for LotSB.

Hell, if Nyxeris is not correctly identified as the Observer, she will quietly walk away at the start of LotSB, and is never mentioned again. It's like the writers wanted to forget about what happened on Illium.

Although, I find kinda strange those quests are in the "main quests" tab of you journal, like they weren't optional assignments...

[jlb524]

jwalker wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Those quests are largely meaningless, anyway. I think it's fairly obvious that the Liara content in the retail version of ME2 was largely a placeholder for LotSB.

Hell, if Nyxeris is not correctly identified as the Observer, she will quietly walk away at the start of LotSB, and is never mentioned again. It's like the writers wanted to forget about what happened on Illium.

Although, I find kinda strange those quests are in the "main quests" tab of you journal, like they weren't optional assignments...

Yeah, that's true.  I think it might be b/c the Shadow Broker DLC stuff was originally supposed to be part of the main game, before getting cut out and repurposed in DLC and  the comic book.  That's my theory, at least.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Just something I thought of.

Anybody else like (from a story POV) that their Shepard isn't a biotic? It adds a little more dynamic between the two characters that they both compensate for the others weakness in combat.

Eh.  I like the contrast of having Shepard be not-as-powerful as his/her love-interest, if he/she has biotics at all.  Contrast is good for storytelling, but having something in common is vital, too.  Learning from each other is good.  Sentinel Shepard and Jack.  Biotics and tech.  Jack knows both, as does Sentinel Shepard, but Sentinel Shepard isn't as powerful a biotic as Jack, and his knowledge of tech likely varies in area of expertise.

Anyway, I don't particularly like it when classes are brought in to fanfiction at all.

But not having any biotic abilities means that Liara is more powerful than Shepard ever could be no?

[Tancho]

Sorry, I'm jumping in on this discussion...



I don't know if Liara is neccesarily more powerful as a biotic. If a non-biotic Shep can defeat biotics without the use of powers, I think that shows incredible endurance and tactical prowess.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I think I worded my post incorrectly. I just meant that as a biotic, Liara could do things that Shepard couldn't. Granted it works both ways.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, since the Observer doesn't need to be killed anymore, does anyone still go through with the quest?

Yeah, as that would be metagaming. Additionally, the dialogue that triggers after the completion of the quest is extremely powerful and moving, and is an important aspect of how I roleplay the rocky second chapter of my Shepard and Liara's romance during the events of ME2.

Well, I still do it for the same reason. The scene after, with the "couldn't let you go" bit is too important to skip. I could choose not to help Liara kill someone, and then giving her the Cerberus information, but then it just seem implausible that Liara lefted the job undone for so long before Post-suicide mission, despite saying she'd kill all 5 if left undone (then again, you could roleplay it that she couldn't do it after you left, and thus she dropped the idea of killing the observer). Besides, though I have a problem killing unknown targets for data, I don't feel bad about the actual Observer's death. 1) because Liara kills her, not me. And 2) she was spying on Liara, and ordered people to be assassinated. Some because she may of had a grudge. I would rather not kill her, but it's a death I have no trouble living with.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 04 janvier 2011 - 09:04 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, I still do it for the same reason. The scene after, with the "couldn't let you go" bit is too important to skip. I could choose not to help Liara kill someone, and then giving her the Cerberus information, but then it just seem implausible that Liara lefted the job undone for so long before Post-suicide mission, despite saying she'd kill all 5 if left undone (then again, you could roleplay it that she couldn't do it after you left, and thus she dropped the idea of killing the observer). Besides, though I have a problem killing unknown targets for data, I don't feel bad about the actual Observer's death. 1) because Liara kills her, not me. And 2) she was spying on Liara, and ordered people to be assassinated. Some because she may of had a grudge. I would rather not kill her, but it's a death I have no trouble living with.

I still do it too.  (though I skip asking Liara about her anger at the Shadow Broker as I prefer the LotSB version of that now).

From a meta-game perspective, it's bad as you're killing someone that will end up eventually working for Liara, but at the time you don't know this.  My Shepard just wants to do everything she can to aid Liara with her hunt, including taking down the Observer.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Tancho wrote...

Sorry, I'm jumping in on this discussion...

I don't know if Liara is neccesarily more powerful as a biotic. If a non-biotic Shep can defeat biotics without the use of powers, I think that shows incredible endurance and tactical prowess.

Gameplay mechanics are a lousy way of determing a character's powers and abilities.  Boss-fights, which are at the mercy of these mechanics, really demonstrate nothing, other than the obvious, that Shepard is a superb tactician and leader.

As an aside, I have no problem with Shepard being less-powerful than the people he commands, and I don't understand why people have problems with this.  The "Commander" part is what's truly exceptional about Shepard.

I don't have a problem with Shepard being less powerful. Heck, many of the people we pick up in ME2 are stronger than Shepard. Grunt, Samara and Jack being the most obvious ones. I always seen Shepard as a good shot with all 5 weapons (He's a soldier in my canon) and with the cybernetic upgrades, able to take a bit more punishment than usual.

But he would still lose against Grunt for example.