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[Tancho]

Liara seems to be the only one who hasn't nearly died yet...Kaidan and Ash are both dispensable in ME, while Miranda and Jacob could both die in ME2.

[jlb524]

Tancho wrote...

Liara seems to be the only one who hasn't nearly died yet...Kaidan and Ash are both dispensable in ME, while Miranda and Jacob could both die in ME2.

She's the only one that can't die in either game...squad mate wise.

[TMA LIVE]

Say if Shepard ends up freezing himself, and wakes up a 1000 years later, and Liara was still alive. Would you try to restart the romance if she was still single?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 janvier 2011 - 03:23 .

[Nerdage]

She'd probably have changed after so long, if she were even still alive, but much like ME2 I'd wait to see her first before leaping onto someone else.

Modifié par nerdage, 05 janvier 2011 - 03:28 .

[TheMarshal]

Were I Shepard, I would probably look Liara up, and definitely try to rekindle things, but I imagine it would be difficult for me to be around her, because she'd have a millennium's worth of life without me.

[Pacifien]

Question. I know that Patrick Weekes wrote Liara in LotSB, but do you guys know who wrote Liara in ME1 or ME2? And if you do, do you have a source like an interview or such where the writer mentions this? I've started a project.

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

Question. I know that Patrick Weekes wrote Liara in LotSB, but do you guys know who wrote Liara in ME1 or ME2? And if you do, do you have a source like an interview or such where the writer mentions this? I've started a project.

I think Drew wrote her, but I have no evidence and just hear-say.

Modifié par jlb524, 05 janvier 2011 - 07:46 .

[Evelinessa]

I just finished all of Liara's romance on my last Shepard and I really liked it. I have a question: What Liara do you like better? The ME1 more innocent Liara or the ME2 more hardened Liara? I hope it's alright that I post here.

Also, can someone show me where I can get some Liara banners? I see a lot of them around but I don't know where to get them.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Question. I know that Patrick Weekes wrote Liara in LotSB, but do you guys know who wrote Liara in ME1 or ME2? And if you do, do you have a source like an interview or such where the writer mentions this? I've started a project.

I think Drew wrote her, but I have no evidence and just hear-say.

Yeah, I've heard that Drew was her writer for ME1, but there's nothing to confirm it, unless Drew says so in an email. You're better off asking him on his website.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:08 .

[TMA LIVE]

Oh, cool! Interview with the people that made LOTSB!



http://cgmonthly.com...ist/tag/Bioware

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Question. I know that Patrick Weekes wrote Liara in LotSB, but do you guys know who wrote Liara in ME1 or ME2? And if you do, do you have a source like an interview or such where the writer mentions this? I've started a project.

I think Drew wrote her, but I have no evidence and just hear-say.

here...

http://meforums.biow...orum=144&sp=120

Drew, I believe, wrote Liara in ME1. It was Drew, with both Mac and me doing some touching up after Drew left for warmer climates, in ME2.

[bjdbwea]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Oh, cool! Interview with the people that made LOTSB!

http://cgmonthly.com...ist/tag/Bioware

Quite interesting. I especially like this bit:

Because this DLC was coming out almost eight months after Mass Effect 2's release, we knew the people playing it were going to be the really die-hard fans, the ones who have the most love and the highest demands. Our mantra in the writing room was to make this module a love letter to our fans, and it's humbling to see people respond so positively.

They certainly succeeded with that. If only the goal during the development of the main game of ME 2 would have been similar. Unfortunately, it mostly seems that the wishes of the fans of ME 1 and its characters were not really considered to be of much importance.

Or if they were, then it would be more fair to say: If only the people who were responsible for the development of LotSB would also have been for ME 2, because they almost certainly would have done a better job.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 05 janvier 2011 - 02:16 .

[Barquiel]

Evelinessa wrote...

Also, can someone show me where I can get some Liara banners? I see a lot of them around but I don't know where to get them.

Here are some banners...

http://social.biowar...iscussion/4019/

[Evelinessa]

Barquiel wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Also, can someone show me where I can get some Liara banners? I see a lot of them around but I don't know where to get them.

Here are some banners...

http://social.biowar...iscussion/4019/

Thank you.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

bjdbwea wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Oh, cool! Interview with the people that made LOTSB!

http://cgmonthly.com...ist/tag/Bioware

Quite interesting. I especially like this bit:

Because this DLC was coming out almost eight months after Mass Effect 2's release, we knew the people playing it were going to be the really die-hard fans, the ones who have the most love and the highest demands. Our mantra in the writing room was to make this module a love letter to our fans, and it's humbling to see people respond so positively.

They certainly succeeded with that. If only the goal during the development of the main game of ME 2 would have been similar. Unfortunately, it mostly seems that the wishes of the fans of ME 1 and its characters were not really considered to be of much importance.

Or if they were, then it would be more fair to say: If only the people who were responsible for the development of LotSB would also have been for ME 2, because they almost certainly would have done a better job.

True, and no matter how good LOTSB was. It will never change the fact that the Illium cameo has to be some of the most sloppy writing ever.

[morrie23]

Lizardviking wrote...

True, and no matter how good LOTSB was. It will never change the fact that the Illium cameo has to be some of the most sloppy writing ever.

Outside of the central ME2 plot at least, zing!

Seriously thought, I'm glad the team know how much the fans appreciate the work they did on LotSB. It's interesting that they pitched the idea of LotSB in March 2010, they would of been well aware of many peoples views on Liara in ME2. I just hope that Ash/Kaidan get the same treatment, hopefully the confirmed DLC in 2011 stars them.

Modifié par morrie23, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:05 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
I don't even perceive a "ME1 Liara" or a "ME2 Liara," but just Liara herself as a single character.

This.

While I do from time to time comment on the writing on her diffrent roles thoughtout the series (just look futher up), I think it's wrong to say what part is the best, because when it comes down to it, every step of the way is important. I wouldn't for example be able to appreciate Garrus as much as I did in ME2 if it wasn't for the fact I liked him in ME1.

[Evelinessa]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

I just finished all of Liara's romance on my last Shepard and I really liked it. I have a question: What Liara do you like better? The ME1 more innocent Liara or the ME2 more hardened Liara? I hope it's alright that I post here.

Hi! Sure, it's perfectly fine for you to post here. I hope you participate to an even greater extent in the future.

I adore Liara both before and after her ME2/LotSB character development, to be honest. I like to think that ME2 showcases a different side to Liara's personality, and presents a character that has, to a certain degree, lost her idealistic perception of the galaxy. She's always been a strong, capable, mature and assertive woman that is able to look after herself, and ME2 shows these traits manifesting in different ways. Additionally, Liara's ME2 character development illustrates that she is a capable soldier and leader, and is willing to make the difficult decisions that other, more weaker individuals will shy away from.

I don't think that ME2 Liara is a completely different person to ME1 Liara, but she has been subjected to some excellent character development. In all honesty, I don't even perceive a "ME1 Liara" or a "ME2 Liara," but just Liara herself as a single character.

 
I agree with everything you said. I like both sides of her character and I absolutely loved LotSB.

How would everyone like to see the Liara romance develop in ME3? And does anyone think there is still a chance for Liara to become a squadmate again even though now she is the Shadowbroker?

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Oh, cool! Interview with the people that made LOTSB!

http://cgmonthly.com...ist/tag/Bioware

Awesome interview.  I liked:

First our plan was to rescue Liara from Shadow Broker forces. Then we realized that that was too close to how the player rescued her in the first Mass Effect, and it made her seem helpless, when the whole point of the Redemption series and her voice on Illium was that she wasn’t helpless anymore.

I'm glad they were aware of that XD

Modifié par jlb524, 05 janvier 2011 - 05:05 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, I think the DLC turned out just about perfect and I'm fine with it as it is. This is interesting too:

On the other hand, seeing how many people chose to pursue a given romance or which characters were likely to survive the endgame suicide mission gave us some clues as to how we should proceed with future plotlines in the Mass Effect universe.

[jlb524]

Evelinessa wrote...

How would everyone like to see the Liara romance develop in ME3? And does anyone think there is still a chance for Liara to become a squadmate again even though now she is the Shadowbroker?

Yeah, I think so...b/c of the things LesEnfants brought up in an above post.

She's the easiest former squad mate to bring back as an ME3 squad mate, and people want the old crew back (in general) and also it seems a fair amount of people specifically want Liara back.

[jbauck]

Evelinessa wrote...
I just finished all of Liara's romance on my last Shepard and I really liked it. I have a question: What Liara do you like better? The ME1 more innocent Liara or the ME2 more hardened Liara? I hope it's alright that I post here.

Good question, and something I've been thinking about having replayed ME1 - ME2 recently. I'm taking into account Redemption and LotSB here, because I stand by "jarring train-wreck" to describe main ME2 ... but the more I think about it, the more I think the differences are really just superficial, and the "hardened" Liara of ME2 was a well-done, necessary development of the character from ME1 - and now I'm having a 'Nothing Gold Can Stay' moment ... ack. 

In ME2, she's necessarily developed a colder, harder demeanor, but it's her circumstances that have changed, not her.  She's not someone who has actually achieved being cold - she wouldn't care so much if she were cold.  She's someone who's cultivated that appearance because she had to ...  rather than being someone who has the luxury of preferring solitude and avoiding social interactions, she's someone who is truly and totally alone, presumably surrounded by people in the course of her job as an information broker, but not one of those people is someone she can truly trust.  She's also spent two years wrestling with guilt, having, in her mind, abandoned both Shepard and Feron to certain death.

That edge of ruthlessness was certainly present in ME1.  Even then, she's capable of making hard choices that come at a high personal cost - remember, this is a woman who helped kill her own mother because it was the right thing to do, for both the galaxy and her mother, who was so far gone into indoctrination she'd never be the same.  As LET and others so eloquently put it a few pages back, she's Paragade.  She's someone who can make hard choices, and do bad things despite the inevitable guilt and anguish she'll feel over it, because they're the right thing to do.

She abandoned a living, breathing person to rescue a corpse - to put my opinion on this into context ... if Jack did something like that, it would be because she honestly didn't give a damn.  For Liara, who really is the same person she was in ME1, that's a decision she felt she had to make, but it had consequences for her.  It wasn't a cold decision, or a decision made because she was "hardened" ... but something she spent two years paying the price for, and her quest to take out the Shadow Broker was the only way she could, in her mind, atone for essentially trading a living person for a dead one.  But her extreme reaction is precisely because she isn't hardened, imo.  If she were hardened, she could shrug her shoulders, let it go, and tell herself that Feron knew the risks.  The fact that she dropped the vengeance angle and focused on rescue once she had confirmation that Feron was alive is very telling regarding her true motivations, and how they always were in-line with ME1 Liara, no matter how confusing the demeanor-change was.

So, to actually get to answering the question ... I prefer LotSB Liara.  As much as I love the endearingly awkward scientist, LotSB Liara is someone who has sacrificed those parts of herself to make a real contribution to fighting the Reapers and saving the galaxy.  She's someone who understands just how high the stakes are, and she's willing to do what it takes to help Shepard, not only as a key player, but as a true equal on all levels, now taking on the responsibility of being in a position where she has to make choices that could very well give her nightmares for the rest of her life.

It would have been an inherently selfish decision to avoid the responsibilities that put her in the position of making the hard choices in order to keep her conscience clean, and she's not selfish.  Ultimately, the kindness, the compassion, and the need to do the right thing of ME1-Liara are what made her into ME2-Liara.  She'll help save the galaxy, because it's not in her to flinch or turn away from that burden, and if she ends up doing something bad or wrong, she won't have done it callously, or coldly, or in a "hardened" manner.

I don't think I ever responded directly to the "will she or won't she" posts about whether or not Liara will fall to the 'dark side' and need to be 'redeemed'.  Honestly, this strikes me as a bizarre question, because falling to the 'dark side' and needing to be 'redeemed' assumes the character in question has become blind and/or numb to how awful the things they're doing are ... and I don't think Liara can possibly get there. Even my ultra-paragon Shepard wouldn't presume to "forgive" her or try to "save" her from herself ... because Liara is ultimately trustworthy.  Even if she's doing wrong things, she's doing them for the right reasons, and that being the case, the only real questions are, how far will she have to go, how badly will she be hurt by the things she will have to do, and how long will it take her to forgive herself?

And will I get my paragon-interrupt kisses when she's having these crises of conscience?