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Evelinessa wrote...
How would everyone like to see the Liara romance develop in ME3? And does anyone think there is still a chance for Liara to become a squadmate again even though now she is the Shadowbroker?

Aside from what Les said you also have to look at it as a matter of money and practicality. If they intended to only bring her back for one DLC they would not have put as much work into her as they did. She got a new textures, new meshes, new Squad AI, a new outfit and a new bonus power that was a royal pain to program in. That investment would never pan out if all that worked stayed in ME2, however if they intend to reuse all those assets in ME3 it now makes perfect sense. So Liara and Stasis was done on the ME3 budget and the environments and animations were done with the DLC budget.

Besides Miranada was XO and Mordin was Head Scientist yet both of them would leave the ship to get shot at with Shepard, since they can only die in the Suicide Mission.

[jlb524]

Yes, I want that. I would like the playful/humorous banter to continue on between the two in ME3 as well. LotSB did a fantastic job with this.



As I said before, I wouldn't mind if the pair exchange vows in a very small and impromptu bondmate ceremony on the eve of the battle (if your Shepard wants) or even just make a promise to each other to do so if both survive the Reaper war.

[MillaShepard]

I'm interested to see what kind of involvement Liara has in ME3. As the new Shadow Broker I imagine she'll be accessable throughout the game but still not quite a squad member, (unfortunately). I completely agree that a bondmate ceremony at some point, preferably at the end would be awesome. I had a thought though. Perhaps Liara will teach Feron to run the SB Base so she can have a more active role in the game along side Shep. I mean... Dude's just sitting there, maybe that's why.

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MillaShepard wrote...
I mean... Dude's just sitting there, maybe that's why.

Feron seems to clearly be a kind of Chekhov's gun, they've set him up as also being an information broker and working for Liara. While Mass Effect might not be high literature it seems unlikely they'd show us Feron if he has no significance later on.

[Sparrow44]

Regarding Liara's character progression from 1 to 2. When you first meet Liara she is a lowly scientist studying Protheans and after joining your crew the universe opened up for her after spending years alone studying.

On Noveria she witnessed the resurgence of the rachni and also took down and watched her mother die, Feros a Prothean world where the Thorian; a creature around when the Protheans were alive that enslaved the colony and we ended up destroying it in the end. All in that time she shares the visions with Shepard as well as becoming close to them romantically, Virmire she discovered Sovereign whose race destroyed the Protheans and proved that Prothean technology is actually Reaper origin and Ilos ended up being the bookend for her Prothean studies, she learned of the Protheans true fate, met Vigil, found the Conduit and got to explore the ruined city. When Shepard died she realized she not only wanted to save him/her for personal reasons but because they are the only ones to stop the Reapers and so became the events of Redemption and LotSB.

All in all the reason why Liara is like she is now because she'd seen the cruelty of the galaxy (killing Benezia, Rachni, Thorian and the Geth) as well as learning everything of the Protheans (well nearly) so there was no point in Liara studying again and more importantly she lost the woman/man she loved and wanted to do everything in her power to do so and by the end of LotSB she achieved that and more.

Sorry for the long post but having done a complete ME1 playthrough with Liara then reading Redemption and then going on to do ME2 + LotSB, I've finally appreciated Liara as a character and wanted to share how I feel about it.

[Sparrow44]

Yeah it would be cool if Feron would take over Liara's duties so she can leave the ship to either join Shepard for battles or simply for a nice catch-up and maybe some drinks on the Normandy. =)

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Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Question. I know that Patrick Weekes wrote Liara in LotSB, but do you guys know who wrote Liara in ME1 or ME2? And if you do, do you have a source like an interview or such where the writer mentions this? I've started a project.

I think Drew wrote her, but I have no evidence and just hear-say.

here...

http://meforums.biow...orum=144&sp=120

Drew, I believe, wrote Liara in ME1. It was Drew, with both Mac and me doing some touching up after Drew left for warmer climates, in ME2.

Really... Hmm, well I guess we should have been blaming Drew, since he did most of the ME2 work.

[TheMarshal]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yes, I want that. I would like the playful/humorous banter to continue on between the two in ME3 as well. LotSB did a fantastic job with this.

Agreed! The fact that Shepard and Liara squabbled like an old married couple during the events of LotSB strengthens the feeling that they are a genuine romantic couple, and experience all the highs, lows, and intricacies that a relationship entails. It's amazingly well-written and implemented, and adds additional depth to their romance.

Absolutely.  I would like to see this sort of banter with other comrades as well (though Shep/Liara's banter holds a special place in my heart because of their romance).  In the interview, they mentioned that sort of dialogue was much easier to do with LotSB because they KNEW that Liara was going to be a squadmate, so they could write that back-and-forth pretty easily.  I think if ME3 continues the same sort of level mechanics, where in certain instances you have to have one specific character in your squad (loyalty missions, etc.) then I think it would be pretty easy to add in that banter.  But if there is no set squad selection (more of the ME1 route), then I imagine that would be difficult.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Awesome interview.  I liked:

First our plan was to rescue Liara from Shadow Broker forces. Then we realized that that was too close to how the player rescued her in the first Mass Effect, and it made her seem helpless, when the whole point of the Redemption series and her voice on Illium was that she wasn’t helpless anymore.

I'm glad they were aware of that XD

I do like the fact that the writers seemingly acknowledge that some people erroneously perceived Liara to be "helpless" in ME1, and sought to emphasise that this was not the case with her subsequent character development in ME2/LotSB. It is as if they wished to debunk an incorrect opinion, especially for those that do not realise that Liara rejects Shepard's offer of protection in ME1.

Yeah, instead of Shepard saving Liara, Liara seems to be on top of the situation, and Shepard is simply trying to catch up.

[Tancho]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...
How would everyone like to see the Liara romance develop in ME3? And does anyone think there is still a chance for Liara to become a squadmate again even though now she is the Shadowbroker?

I'd like Liara's ME3 romance development to cement the status of Shepard and Liara being true bondmates, and devoted lovers on a deeply intimate and romantic level. Something akin to a bondmate ceremony would be beautiful, and could function as a perfect reflection of the deeply romantic love, commitment and dedication that exists in their relationship. Shepard and Liara have overcome great adversity together with their love still intact, so I think it would be perfect if their romance were to deepen, progress and develop into something truly beautiful during the events of ME3.

I agree wholeheartedly. I really want to see their relationship finally cement. 

And I'm with Evelinessa - I hope it's okay that I've been posting here!

[Tancho]

Sparroww wrote...

Yeah it would be cool if Feron would take over Liara's duties so she can leave the ship to either join Shepard for battles or simply for a nice catch-up and maybe some drinks on the Normandy. =)

Also, I think there's a reason that Feron stayed at the base. Hopefully it's so that Liara can leave and make appearances in ME3.

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jbauck wrote...

I don't think I ever responded directly to the "will she or won't she" posts about whether or not Liara will fall to the 'dark side' and need to be 'redeemed'.  Honestly, this strikes me as a bizarre question, because falling to the 'dark side' and needing to be 'redeemed' assumes the character in question has become blind and/or numb to how awful the things they're doing are ... and I don't think Liara can possibly get there. Even my ultra-paragon Shepard wouldn't presume to "forgive" her or try to "save" her from herself ... because Liara is ultimately trustworthy.  Even if she's doing wrong things, she's doing them for the right reasons, and that being the case, the only real questions are, how far will she have to go, how badly will she be hurt by the things she will have to do, and how long will it take her to forgive herself?

Yeah, if Liara has any more dark moments, it's going to be more about what she does, and will she forgive herself. It won't be as simple as her becoming Darth Vader, and needs to redeem herself.

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[Erinlana]

hey guys =)

[Erinlana]

oh my this thread has seem'ed to have died =o

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Erinlana wrote...

oh my this thread has seem'ed to have died =o

Nah. Still here, just didn't respond because I think that would violate the new rules on the forum.

To bring something relevant to the topic.

Should one of the characters from the ME1 squad confront Liara with the fact that she never told anyone of her handing the body over to Cerberus?

[TheMarshal]

I think the only person who would be bothered by it would be Kaidan/Ashley. Although I imagine if some of the higher-ups in the Alliance found out, they'd be pretty pissed.

[jlb524]

I agree....I imagine if one of them had been Shepard's LI, they would have wanted to know about it.

[TheMarshal]

I wasn't even thinking about it from that perspective, just from how they reacted hearing you were "working for" Cerberus, but you raise a good point. I take it that meeting is a little more rough if you romanced them before?

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TheMarshal wrote...

I think the only person who would be bothered by it would be Kaidan/Ashley. Although I imagine if some of the higher-ups in the Alliance found out, they'd be pretty pissed.

The VS would be my prime candidates too for such a situation. And it should more tense if the VS were Shepard's LI.

[Tancho]

I can imagine them being pissed even if they weren't Shepard's LI. I mean, Kaidan has feelings for FShep from the very beginning. If he still carries those feelings through ME2, then I can see him being pretty pissed. Vise versa for MShep and Ash.