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[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I wonder...if Liara continues to enjoy the same degree of plot importance in ME3, and plays a pivotal role in the war effort against the Reapers, will she eventually be as highly regarded as Shepard herself? Will Liara be treasured and regarded as the woman who saved the galaxy multiple times? Will galactic civilisation celebrate the fact that it owes its continued existence to Liara, and her bravery in defeating the Reapers?

It's something to ponder. At the very least, I'd imagine that she'd be regarded as a pioneer and a hero amongst the asari. Humans will celebrate Shepard's actions, but the asari will definitely recognise and appreciate the fact that one of their own has accomplished something truly special.

I think somewhat, but not as highly regarded as Shepard as she's the big hero of the story, and the PC.

The point about Liara being revered amongst the asari is a good one, though....especially considering she's just a 'pureblood'.

[MillaShepard]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I wonder...if Liara continues to enjoy the same degree of plot importance in ME3, and plays a pivotal role in the war effort against the Reapers, will she eventually be as highly regarded as Shepard herself? Will Liara be treasured and regarded as the woman who saved the galaxy multiple times? Will galactic civilisation celebrate the fact that it owes its continued existence to Liara, and her bravery in defeating the Reapers?

It's something to ponder. At the very least, I'd imagine that she'd be regarded as a pioneer and a hero amongst the asari. Humans will celebrate Shepard's actions, but the asari will definitely recognise and appreciate the fact that one of their own has accomplished something truly special.

Yes!  I imagine at the end of ME3 Shepard and Liara will stand side by side as equals in the eyes of the ME Universe.  Or at least I hope so.  I have to think that after saving the known Universe they'll both get the recognition they deserve.  It would be appropriate for a being from one of  the Oldest (living) known species and one from the Youngest to be mostly responsible for saving the Universe... How romantic.

[Pacifien]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
This also tied into why I believe that Liara will eventually return to Thessia, and take a seat in asari politics and government.

I've wondered about Liara's long-term goals in regards to being the Shadow Broker. It would appear that being a Shadow Broker is more than just a full-time job, it's one's entire life. She couldn't be a public political figure and the Shadow Broker at the same time. I get the feeling she will have to make a choice, whether she becomes the Shadow Broker body and soul or she rejoins society in some other capacity.

Or do what I thought the Shadow Broker was originally and turn it into an organization larger than just one person.

[scampermax]

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

[TMA LIVE]

I honestly don't think Liara will go back to Thessia. Everything just points to her hating the place, and prefers to be around other cultures.

[TheMarshal]

I find it interesting that the Shadow Broker's role is shrouded in secrecy, but Liara's role on Illium as an information broker is very public. Is it just a matter of scale? How the organization is run?

[TMA LIVE]

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

She seems to want the job, and wants to make it better. It doesn't seem like she's doing it only for Shepard. After all, she calls it a dream job, and works until she sleeps.

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

She seems to want the job, and wants to make it better. It doesn't seem like she's doing it only for Shepard. After all, she calls it a dream job, and works until she sleeps.

But she said she ALWAYS works until she sleeps.  (Unless that line is from a fic I read somewhere...)  I can see her being a workaholic, always throwing herself 100% into everything she does.

[Tancho]

Is it weird that I kind of don't want Liara to remain the Shadow Broker? I mean, she's completely secluded in a system that doesn't even have its own mass relay. After the war, I can't see that being a healthy occupation...in the long term sense.



Also, I think, if anything, with Shepard's human life expectancy, I hope she would set it aside in order to share their remaining years together. I mean, she's so young - she would still have 800+ years to throw into the Shadow Broker business after Shepard passes.



I'm not saying they couldn't make it work, but you gotta admit, the Shadow Broker business is in a poor location and is very isolating.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I find it interesting that the Shadow Broker's role is shrouded in secrecy, but Liara's role on Illium as an information broker is very public. Is it just a matter of scale? How the organization is run?

Probably b/c of scale and the power it weilds.  When you have that kind of power, you don't want others knowing much about you in case they will try to usurp your position.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

But she said she ALWAYS works until she sleeps.  (Unless that line is from a fic I read somewhere...)  I can see her being a workaholic, always throwing herself 100% into everything she does.

I think that was from a fic, as I don't recall her mentioning in ME1 that she had done this as an archaeologist (work until sleep). 

Though, I do agree she puts her all into everything she does.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I find it interesting that the Shadow Broker's role is shrouded in secrecy, but Liara's role on Illium as an information broker is very public. Is it just a matter of scale? How the organization is run?

Probably b/c of scale and the power it weilds.  When you have that kind of power, you don't want others knowing much about you in case they will try to usurp your position.

True, but Liara was a well-known information broker on Illium, which is no backwater planet.  She knew about events that happened off-world, too.  I dunno...  Maybe SB was just playing with bigger guns...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The thing that bothers me with Liara as the the SB is. Is it truly ever possible to leave that position without it haunting you forever? If she hands the network over to someone she would know the identity of the new SB, which means she will be a danger to their security, which in turn might possibly endanger Liara (and perhaps Shepard).

Of course the person she hands it over to will honor whatever arrangement they might possibly have. Or perhaps she might simply disband the newwork forever.

[scampermax]

TMA LIVE wrote...

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

She seems to want the job, and wants to make it better. It doesn't seem like she's doing it only for Shepard. After all, she calls it a dream job, and works until she sleeps.

Yes, she does call it a dream job, but she also says helping Shepard is what will keep her honest when Shepard suggests they could destroy the base if it's too much for her. There is also the fact that Liara gets very emotional when she realizes that she has the means to help Shepard by becoming the Shadow Broker.

At the time Liara assumes the mantle of the Shadow Broker it is very much tied to Shepard and Liara's desire to help her. The question then becomes does it stay that way or does Liara take on a more independent role as SB away from the initial desire. If not will she pass it on or seek to dismantle it.

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I find it interesting that the Shadow Broker's role is shrouded in secrecy, but Liara's role on Illium as an information broker is very public. Is it just a matter of scale? How the organization is run?

Probably b/c of scale and the power it weilds.  When you have that kind of power, you don't want others knowing much about you in case they will try to usurp your position.

True, but Liara was a well-known information broker on Illium, which is no backwater planet.  She knew about events that happened off-world, too.  I dunno...  Maybe SB was just playing with bigger guns...

There's a difference between Liara having information on some assassin vs having information that can start wars.

[TMA LIVE]

scampermax wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

She seems to want the job, and wants to make it better. It doesn't seem like she's doing it only for Shepard. After all, she calls it a dream job, and works until she sleeps.

Yes, she does call it a dream job, but she also says helping Shepard is what will keep her honest when Shepard suggests they could destroy the base if it's too much for her. There is also the fact that Liara gets very emotional when she realizes that she has the means to help Shepard by becoming the Shadow Broker.

At the time Liara assumes the mantle of the Shadow Broker it is very much tied to Shepard and Liara's desire to help her. The question then becomes does it stay that way or does Liara take on a more independent role as SB away from the initial desire. If not will she pass it on or seek to dismantle it.

Again, Liara says stuff like thinking she belongs there, and Feron talks about her enjoying her work. Unless things get worse in ME3, I think she'll want to continue being the broker for as long as she can.

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

I find it interesting that the Shadow Broker's role is shrouded in secrecy, but Liara's role on Illium as an information broker is very public. Is it just a matter of scale? How the organization is run?

Probably b/c of scale and the power it weilds.  When you have that kind of power, you don't want others knowing much about you in case they will try to usurp your position.

True, but Liara was a well-known information broker on Illium, which is no backwater planet.  She knew about events that happened off-world, too.  I dunno...  Maybe SB was just playing with bigger guns...

There's a difference between Liara having information on some assassin vs having information that can start wars.

Hmm...  fair point.  The extent of her knowledge on Illium was never explored much, other than she had the intel on Samara and Thane in her head (My heart went a-flutter when she was able to get all that from memory.  Smart chicks are SO hot!  )

[scampermax]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

Interesting hypothesis, but I don't think that Liara believes the Shadow Broker network to be something that is inherently evil or corrupt. Elements of her character development have shown that Liara believes that her occupation as an information broker is something that can be used to help people, and that she can impose her own influence on the organisation in order to improve galactic civilisation.

The network itself is not fundamentally bad. It was merely abused and exploited by the previous Shadow Broker, who was a violent and power-hungry individual obsessed with control.

Not inherently evil or corrupt is true. The problem becomes what the SB does with the power of the position over time. Only going by the moment Liara becomes SB she knows helping Shepard will keep her honest. It's pretty obvious stopping the reapers is a good cause. Going forward is the unknown. If there comes a time when Liara wishes to step down from the role would she be concerned about what the next SB might do or leave it to fate to determine.

Please note that I am not saying I think Liara will become corrupt. The question is what would she do about the network should she decide to retire from being SB.

Personally I hope that Liara does not remain Shadow Broker her entire life. I would prefer to see her rejoin asari society and take on a matriarchal role.

Modifié par scampermax, 07 janvier 2011 - 11:14 .

[jwalker]

scampermax wrote...

In LotSB Liara says helping Shepard will keep her honest as the Shadow Broker. Do you see a possibility she may actually try to disband the network after Shepard dies in order to keep it from becoming corrupted or corrupting her? Her stated purpose for being Shadow Broker will be gone unless she finds a new one before then.

The defeat ( I hope ) of the Reapers I believe will mark a before and after in galaxy's order. I guess we can assume there'll be great losses everywhere. There will be no common big enemy, just a lot of destruction and chaos. In such context, the network would profit a lot. But maybe it'd be impossible to keep it honest.
I guess the fate of the SB network will be sealed long before Shepard's death, and the best thing to do would be dismantling it

[TheMarshal]

I think what Liara does in regards to the Shadow Broker role after the Reapers will largely depend on what Shepard chooses to do. I can see her maintaining the role (at least part-time) if doing so meant that Shepard would benefit from it.

[Tancho]

I'm definitely all for Liara's happiness, but there can be a difference in happiness and healthiness. I think, eventually, the SB job will not be a viably healthy choice.