My AU fic (in my sig) assumes that Liara continues to maintain an information broker role long into the future, even if it's not one so high-profile as the Shadow Broker.
Liara T'Soni Character Discussion Thread *possible ME3 spoilers*
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#2002
Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:22
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To be, or not to be ... the Shadow Broker, after ME3. It's really a trade-off, and depends on how ME3 shakes out, I think.
Keep it:
Cons: Risk of being a creepy recluse with information on everyone in the galaxy, and too much power for one person to have with the accompanying temptation to use it.
Pros: Vast resources and the ability to help rebuild galactic stability in the aftermath of the Reaper invasion, and maintain galactic stability through the carefully planned and balanced release of information.
Pass it off:
Cons: New SB might want to kill Liara to maintain their secret, can't necessarily be trusted with that kind of power.
Pros: Get to leave the SB base and do something different, like, say - live happily ever after with Shep someplace pretty and have lots of little blue children who would be raised in aforementioned pretty place instead of on the SB base.
Dismantle it:
Cons: Huge power vaccuum ... like, really huge power vaccuum ... in the information broker business. Risk of truly awful people picking up the pieces of the SB network.
Pros: Truly awful people would never get the SB network in its entirety, leaving the SB base etc.
It's a pretty complicated decision. I'd personally like Liara to leave the SB base, either dismantling the SB network or passing it off to someone she can trust for Shep's lifespan - and then I'd like them to settle down and be happy, or wander the galaxy being awesome and righting wrongs for awhile first.
So my question is - which ME character(s) could Liara pass the SB base to, for the length of Sheps' life with the idea of possibly taking back over some point after Shep is gone?
My vote is actually Miranda. I think she'd make a great Dread Pirate Roberts - and her lifespan should be a bit longer than Shep's because of her genetics. If, in the course of ME3 (and assuming she hasn't died in ME2), she continues down the path of becoming a cool, independant person who can think for herself instead of a Cerberus tool, she could really rock the SB job. She's also someone who would really understand that messing with Liara means messing with Shepard, and she's too smart to go there to keep her SB secret, and she's also smart enough to know that having an "heir apparent" as far as being able to pass off the SB job to Liara after she dies is a good thing.
Keep it:
Cons: Risk of being a creepy recluse with information on everyone in the galaxy, and too much power for one person to have with the accompanying temptation to use it.
Pros: Vast resources and the ability to help rebuild galactic stability in the aftermath of the Reaper invasion, and maintain galactic stability through the carefully planned and balanced release of information.
Pass it off:
Cons: New SB might want to kill Liara to maintain their secret, can't necessarily be trusted with that kind of power.
Pros: Get to leave the SB base and do something different, like, say - live happily ever after with Shep someplace pretty and have lots of little blue children who would be raised in aforementioned pretty place instead of on the SB base.
Dismantle it:
Cons: Huge power vaccuum ... like, really huge power vaccuum ... in the information broker business. Risk of truly awful people picking up the pieces of the SB network.
Pros: Truly awful people would never get the SB network in its entirety, leaving the SB base etc.
It's a pretty complicated decision. I'd personally like Liara to leave the SB base, either dismantling the SB network or passing it off to someone she can trust for Shep's lifespan - and then I'd like them to settle down and be happy, or wander the galaxy being awesome and righting wrongs for awhile first.
So my question is - which ME character(s) could Liara pass the SB base to, for the length of Sheps' life with the idea of possibly taking back over some point after Shep is gone?
My vote is actually Miranda. I think she'd make a great Dread Pirate Roberts - and her lifespan should be a bit longer than Shep's because of her genetics. If, in the course of ME3 (and assuming she hasn't died in ME2), she continues down the path of becoming a cool, independant person who can think for herself instead of a Cerberus tool, she could really rock the SB job. She's also someone who would really understand that messing with Liara means messing with Shepard, and she's too smart to go there to keep her SB secret, and she's also smart enough to know that having an "heir apparent" as far as being able to pass off the SB job to Liara after she dies is a good thing.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:28
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I think there will always be a need for a shadow broker, although this need doesn't have to be filled by Liara. Perhaps Feron??? I say this because if it weren't for the shadow broker's meddlings in all things Mass Effect there wouldn't be anyone anywhere who knows what's going on in more than a few places at any one time. Keeping the peace would be very difficult if not impossible without a shadow broker or at least the shadow brokers assets to monitor things important enough to be shadow broker worthy in the first place. Sure, the Shadow Broker could start a war, but He/She (depending on if Liara remains the Shadow Broker) could also prevent one or many from happening at all. It's almost as if whoever is the SB at the time is really just playing god. Which in the wrong hands would be devistating, and in the right hands could act like an expansion of the Council's forces, mantaining "the balance".
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:39
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It's unlikely that Liara will pass the job to Miranda/Feron, simply due to their lifespans.
I would imagine Liara to gradually dissolve most of the SB's hidden empire in a process lasting for centuries, without affecting Galactic stability. Kind of like Michael Corleone gradually legitimizing the Family's businesses.
If my vision of the saga is true, the Galaxy will enter a new era of stability and prosperity after the defeat of the Reapers, possibly under the leadership of the Commander. The need for an independent covert operation such as the SB will be eliminated provided there are more extensive inter-species cooperations. If Cerebrus, the Salarian STG, the Asari Commandos, and the SPECTREs work together, we won't need a Shadow Broker.
I would imagine Liara to gradually dissolve most of the SB's hidden empire in a process lasting for centuries, without affecting Galactic stability. Kind of like Michael Corleone gradually legitimizing the Family's businesses.
If my vision of the saga is true, the Galaxy will enter a new era of stability and prosperity after the defeat of the Reapers, possibly under the leadership of the Commander. The need for an independent covert operation such as the SB will be eliminated provided there are more extensive inter-species cooperations. If Cerebrus, the Salarian STG, the Asari Commandos, and the SPECTREs work together, we won't need a Shadow Broker.
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Another bit of asari news:
"Check and Mate," the story of asari maidens' tribulations at Earth's World Chess Championship, won the number one spot, taking in 2.05 billion credits."
"Check and Mate," the story of asari maidens' tribulations at Earth's World Chess Championship, won the number one spot, taking in 2.05 billion credits."
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#2006
Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:57
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What's everyone's thoughts of the Shuriken being Liara's main gun of choice? Despite giving her a different submachine gun, she still uses that one in cutscenes.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:00
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I don't even pay attention to the weapons used in the cutscenes, since my Shep is never carrying her bad-ass Widow sniper rifle.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:00
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TMA LIVE wrote...
What's everyone's thoughts of the Shuriken being Liara's main gun of choice? Despite giving her a different submachine gun, she still uses that one in cutscenes.
I wouldn't really use that as proof of Liara prefering the shuriken machine pistol. LOTSB was rather inconsistence when it came to using weapons in cutscenes.
But still. I'm perfectly fine with her using the shuriken, it's a nice little weapon. Even through it isn't the widow or vindicator!
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:03
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jbauck wrote...
To be, or not to be ... the Shadow Broker, after ME3. It's really a trade-off, and depends on how ME3 shakes out, I think.
Keep it:
Cons: Risk of being a creepy recluse with information on everyone in the galaxy, and too much power for one person to have with the accompanying temptation to use it.
Pros: Vast resources and the ability to help rebuild galactic stability in the aftermath of the Reaper invasion, and maintain galactic stability through the carefully planned and balanced release of information.
Pass it off:
Cons: New SB might want to kill Liara to maintain their secret, can't necessarily be trusted with that kind of power.
Pros: Get to leave the SB base and do something different, like, say - live happily ever after with Shep someplace pretty and have lots of little blue children who would be raised in aforementioned pretty place instead of on the SB base.
Dismantle it:
Cons: Huge power vaccuum ... like, really huge power vaccuum ... in the information broker business. Risk of truly awful people picking up the pieces of the SB network.
Pros: Truly awful people would never get the SB network in its entirety, leaving the SB base etc.
It's a pretty complicated decision. I'd personally like Liara to leave the SB base, either dismantling the SB network or passing it off to someone she can trust for Shep's lifespan - and then I'd like them to settle down and be happy, or wander the galaxy being awesome and righting wrongs for awhile first.
So my question is - which ME character(s) could Liara pass the SB base to, for the length of Sheps' life with the idea of possibly taking back over some point after Shep is gone?
My vote is actually Miranda. I think she'd make a great Dread Pirate Roberts - and her lifespan should be a bit longer than Shep's because of her genetics. If, in the course of ME3 (and assuming she hasn't died in ME2), she continues down the path of becoming a cool, independant person who can think for herself instead of a Cerberus tool, she could really rock the SB job. She's also someone who would really understand that messing with Liara means messing with Shepard, and she's too smart to go there to keep her SB secret, and she's also smart enough to know that having an "heir apparent" as far as being able to pass off the SB job to Liara after she dies is a good thing.
I really like your idea of Miranda taking over. On an even more upside to that scenario, Oriana could take over after Miranda or help Miranda when she's older.
#2010
Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:04
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Man, when I think of Liara giving up the SB role, I see an awesome cut scene:
Liara is standing in the SB base, the only light coming from the multiple computer screens. Slowly, she pushes the button and the screens turn off, leaving only darkness. Then she exits with Shepard.
Liara is standing in the SB base, the only light coming from the multiple computer screens. Slowly, she pushes the button and the screens turn off, leaving only darkness. Then she exits with Shepard.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:06
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iOnlySignIn wrote...
It's unlikely that Liara will pass the job to Miranda/Feron, simply due to their lifespans.
I would imagine Liara to gradually dissolve most of the SB's hidden empire in a process lasting for centuries, without affecting Galactic stability. Kind of like Michael Corleone gradually legitimizing the Family's businesses.
If my vision of the saga is true, the Galaxy will enter a new era of stability and prosperity after the defeat of the Reapers, possibly under the leadership of the Commander. The need for an independent covert operation such as the SB will be eliminated provided there are more extensive inter-species cooperations. If Cerebrus, the Salarian STG, the Asari Commandos, and the SPECTREs work together, we won't need a Shadow Broker.
Miranda might be a viable choice. If you talk to her at all in ME2, you find out that she will live at least twice as long as the normal human being. While that's still not much compared to an asari, her life span is significantly longer than a normal human.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:16
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Miranda may be a reasonable choice, personality-wise, but I doubt that Liara would choose someone from Cerberus to take over the SB position. I also don't know that Miranda would take it. We don't know what her desires are, only that Cerberus sees to it that she has the funding to do whatever she wants.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:21
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Eh, I actually believe that some form of mutual respect, and possibly even a friendship, developed between Liara and Miranda during the events of Redemption. I do love the scene in which Miranda places a comforting hand on Liara's shoulder as the Lazarus Project begins, in which Liara is obviously deeply uneasy over Shepard's future.
Whilst Liara obviously and understandably dislikes Cerberus, I think she trusts Miranda.
Whilst Liara obviously and understandably dislikes Cerberus, I think she trusts Miranda.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:22
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Tancho wrote...
Miranda might be a viable choice. If you talk to her at all in ME2, you find out that she will live at least twice as long as the normal human being. While that's still not much compared to an asari, her life span is significantly longer than a normal human.
Which is why she has my vote for taking one for the team and being the creepy recluse while Shep/Liara go make little blue children someplace sunny
That, and she's smart. Her learning curve for taking over wouldn't be too long with Liara helping her get up to speed. Feron Solo doesn't strike me as the brainy type. With Miranda taking over for a century or so, Liara can take her time weighing the pros and cons of being the SB again in the future ... she does say it's her dream job, after all, but it's not something she necessarily would want to do for 800+ years, and I can only imagine it would cut into her Shep-time drastically. But, when Shep is gone, it might be something she'd want to pick up again, even if only to do a slow, careful dismantling of the network.That reminds me of all the smart = sexy posts regarding Liara, which I didn't respond to, so I'll take a moment to say I totally agree. I imagine my FemShep's heart went pitter-patter when revisiting the SB base after LotSB when the VI says something about SB efficiency having a small drop for a week or so ... so Liara had a week-long learning curve for getting up to speed as the SB with only a VI to help her?
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:27
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TheMarshal wrote...
Miranda may be a reasonable choice, personality-wise, but I doubt that Liara would choose someone from Cerberus to take over the SB position. I also don't know that Miranda would take it. We don't know what her desires are, only that Cerberus sees to it that she has the funding to do whatever she wants.
I don't know if Miranda would take it either...but, unless you played it Renegade (I don't know how it ends), MIranda resigns from Cerberus. So, maybe?
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 02:21
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I like these ideas...I do agree that Liara would have to give the job over to someone that could be trusted.
The only problem with Miranda is that she might not be around in everyone's game...it would be amusing if Liara doesn't give up the SB job to spend time with Shepard just because the player got Miranda killed on the suicide mission. But I doubt the would do this.
Feron is possible though, as mentioned, he doesn't seem the brainy type.
The only problem with Miranda is that she might not be around in everyone's game...it would be amusing if Liara doesn't give up the SB job to spend time with Shepard just because the player got Miranda killed on the suicide mission. But I doubt the would do this.
Feron is possible though, as mentioned, he doesn't seem the brainy type.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 02:26
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I don't think Miranda would want that kind of job anyways. Miranda was more of the type that wanted to help advance humanity. Not spy on everyone, and sell it to the highest bitter.
Feron might not be as smart as Liara, but he is a business man, who's used to gathering info and convince people to believe him. He's probably the closest to being right for the job who'd accept the job, that you could trust.
Feron might not be as smart as Liara, but he is a business man, who's used to gathering info and convince people to believe him. He's probably the closest to being right for the job who'd accept the job, that you could trust.
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I'm not saying he's going to turn on Liara, but Feron has shown he can change sides with ease.
While I don't think he would ever betray Liara, especially after she rescued him, I think that the SB would be too much temptation for him.
While I don't think he would ever betray Liara, especially after she rescued him, I think that the SB would be too much temptation for him.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 02:41
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Yeah, but he never changed sides. He was working for the Cerberus since the beginning, and he did everything for a reason. Example, he used Liara because he was trying to get the Broker to trust him in order to get to Shepard. He risked getting shot by a grenade launcher, just to allow Taz to get away, so they could follow him, and gain information on the Collectors. And he was working for Cerberus. But beyond that, that's where the lies end. He didn't want Liara to get harmed, and he was sorry she couldn't trust him.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 03:05
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I don't think Feron needs to be the brainy type necessarily to run the SB base. He's a Drell. If Liara teaches him how to do it, he'll always be able to return to his memories to remember his job.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 03:14
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Feron: Her eyes flash, biotic flare, she glows blue and white. "We don't give colony defense schematics to Batarian Slavers." Her voice, a growl, low and dangerous. My blood goes cold. I don't dare move. She breathes, and calms, biotics fading. "Send a tip about the attack to the Alliance. And do not do that again."
*Feron comes back to himself and activates the Shadow Broker comm*
Feron: Inform the Batarians we are unable to fulfill their request at this time.
*Feron comes back to himself and activates the Shadow Broker comm*
Feron: Inform the Batarians we are unable to fulfill their request at this time.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 03:16
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jbauck wrote...
Feron: Her eyes flash, biotic flare, she glows blue and white. "We don't give colony defense schematics to Batarian Slavers." Her voice, a growl, low and dangerous. My blood goes cold. I don't dare move. She breathes, and calms, biotics fading. "Send a tip about the attack to the Alliance. And do not do that again."
*Feron comes back to himself and activates the Shadow Broker comm*
Feron: Inform the Batarians we are unable to fulfill their request at this time.
lol! Amazing...
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 04:29
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Yeah, Liara would 'take him out back' if he decided to go the wrong way...
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 04:35
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Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into the LotSB dialogue, but as much as she loves her job she kinda hinted that she might want a family some day. Not gonna happen if you're living in a dark spaceship....
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 04:42
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The other problem with Feron as the Shadow Broker:
Feron: She looks up smiles, her eyes shine. My breath catches - I marvel. Sheer wonder at her beauty. She spins away - that smile is not for me. "Shepard," she says. I am lost.
*Feron comes back to himself and realizes the Shadow Broker comm is still active*
Feron: Please disregard that last transmission. I was ... reading poetry.
Feron: She looks up smiles, her eyes shine. My breath catches - I marvel. Sheer wonder at her beauty. She spins away - that smile is not for me. "Shepard," she says. I am lost.
*Feron comes back to himself and realizes the Shadow Broker comm is still active*
Feron: Please disregard that last transmission. I was ... reading poetry.
