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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Wow, I'm a Talimancer and I'm on a Liara thread, who would've thought ROFL



But back to my post: Maybe the originally the asari had side effects but with advanced technology maybe they can bypass them.

[MillaShepard]

wow, thanks for the info everyone! On another note, I think it's possible for Liara to already be "pregnant" because her and Shep have Melded a few times now. Although this would not be the best thing right before a reaper invasion, it would probably give Liara an even more intense determination to succeed with the mission in ME3 as she'll then be protecting her and Shep's baby. Instinctually she'd be incredible. It would also be interesting to see if the baby shows signs of biotics in utero. I can see it now...

Liara turns her back for one second to see if Shep's ok while in the middle of a battle, a shot is fired at Liara, and baby blue cranks up a nasty barrier to protect her mother. Far fetched, but fun to think about.

[Sunnie]

Joker: And there's the down side.



And everyone wonders why the Tali threads keep getting shut down.



Anyway, back to the actual topic....



Puberty seems to start at 40ish and the teen years ending at 60ish, from dialog heard from assorted Asari throughout the games. Sort of like 40 being 11-12 and 60 being 18ish. Liara being 109 now would def put her in her mid 20s compared to Humans.

[jlb524]

MillaShepard wrote...

On another note, I think it's possible for Liara to already be "pregnant" because her and Shep have Melded a few times now.

I doubt it and that would be awful.  I don't think the two need anymore motivation to stop the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

Is "mid-20's" considered barely more than a child in asari culture? Or maybe something didn't come across quite right in translation.

[MillaShepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Is "mid-20's" considered barely more than a child in asari culture? Or maybe something didn't come across quite right in translation.

I think what Liara means when she says she's barely more than a child by Asari standards is, that 109 out of a 1000 year life span is very young.

[m4pneub08]

I really am just not interested in any sort of pregnancy story arc.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I edited this statement because someone found this offensive. I am deeply sorry for I did not use the right words and I was actually wondering this for a while. Please accept my whole-hearted apology.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 08 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[Sunnie]

If you think of it in pure percentage of life span, assuming the average human in this time period lives to be 100 (for simplicity), Liaras equivalent age would be almost 11 years old. 1:10 ratio.

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that, since they have stated through content that puberty is 40ish, and leaving home to be on their own is at 60ish.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

 I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 08 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[TheMarshal]

Xilizhra wrote...

Is "mid-20's" considered barely more than a child in asari culture? Or maybe something didn't come across quite right in translation.

I think it's meant to be read more as "barely considered an adult", which in human terms would be early 20's in terms of life experience.  However I think that Liara has demonstrated an advanced maturity for her relative age (or maybe that's just an Asari trait).

[Ramirez Wolfen]

The question I meant to ask was that since Shepard is an adult an Liara is just barely an adult, wouldn't that have made Shepard feel slightly awkward? Personally it didn't for me because I always romance her in ME1 (and cheat on Tali with Liara XD) but I just wanted to know what others think.

[MillaShepard]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

 I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

It's ok Ramirez.  We'll make a Liara fan out of you yet! 

[Menycet]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The question I meant to ask was that since Shepard is an adult an Liara is just barely an adult, wouldn't that have made Shepard feel slightly awkward? Personally it didn't for me because I always romance her in ME1 (and cheat on Tali with Liara XD) but I just wanted to know what others think.

Wow.

[Sunnie]

MillaShepard wrote...

wow, thanks for the info everyone! On another note, I think it's possible for Liara to already be "pregnant" because her and Shep have Melded a few times now. Although this would not be the best thing right before a reaper invasion, it would probably give Liara an even more intense determination to succeed with the mission in ME3 as she'll then be protecting her and Shep's baby. Instinctually she'd be incredible. It would also be interesting to see if the baby shows signs of biotics in utero. I can see it now...
Liara turns her back for one second to see if Shep's ok while in the middle of a battle, a shot is fired at Liara, and baby blue cranks up a nasty barrier to protect her mother. Far fetched, but fun to think about.

I don't like the idea that Liara would have conceived a child at this point. Asari are pretty much in control of this from what we are told through content. And if Liara is with child, she would have knowingly done it and would be hiding it from Shepard, who would have a right to know about it.

And the whole enutero thing is just waaaay to much Dune for me. Asari mature much slower than Humans do, so a fetus becomming aware at that stage is just not even plausible.

[Xilizhra]

I think it's meant to be read more as "barely considered an adult", which in human terms would be early 20's in terms of life experience. However I think that Liara has demonstrated an advanced maturity for her relative age (or maybe that's just an Asari trait).

That's how I read it, too.



Now I'm wondering how long asari gestation periods are...

[MillaShepard]

Sunnie22 wrote...

MillaShepard wrote...

wow, thanks for the info everyone! On another note, I think it's possible for Liara to already be "pregnant" because her and Shep have Melded a few times now. Although this would not be the best thing right before a reaper invasion, it would probably give Liara an even more intense determination to succeed with the mission in ME3 as she'll then be protecting her and Shep's baby. Instinctually she'd be incredible. It would also be interesting to see if the baby shows signs of biotics in utero. I can see it now...
Liara turns her back for one second to see if Shep's ok while in the middle of a battle, a shot is fired at Liara, and baby blue cranks up a nasty barrier to protect her mother. Far fetched, but fun to think about.

I don't like the idea that Liara would have conceived a child at this point. Asari are pretty much in control of this from what we are told through content. And if Liara is with child, she would have knowingly done it and would be hiding it from Shepard, who would have a right to know about it.

And the whole enutero thing is just waaaay to much Dune for me. Asari mature much slower than Humans do, so a fetus becomming aware at that stage is just not even plausible.

Hmm... I hadn't thought of that..  I forgot that the Asari have control of that kind of thing.  That would make it a completely irrisponsible decision (made without Shep) that was kept in secret.  I'm not for this.

[Tancho]

@Ramierz



If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

[Pacifien]

It's probably contradicted somewhere in the game--actually, I'm sure of it--but does the melding necessarily have to be the start of conception? It could simply be the gathering of someone's genetic traits into an asari's own memories, something that is called upon once the asari determines to have a child?

Imagine Benezia and Aethyta meeting in their idealistic matron youth, but their relationship ended on poor terms because their ideas for what would improve asari society diverged as they neared their matriarch years. Then Benezia has a child based on the woman she had last melded with.

Nah, that's a bit bizarre, but now I do wonder about the Benezia/Aethyta years.

[Xilizhra]

Tancho wrote...

@Ramierz

If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

Shepard is 29 in ME1.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Tancho wrote...

@Ramierz

If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

LOLZ I'm 19 so my maturity and better thinking haven't completely kicked in so I forgot about that

[Sunnie]

Pacifien wrote...

It's probably contradicted somewhere in the game--actually, I'm sure of it--but does the melding necessarily have to be the start of conception? It could simply be the gathering of someone's genetic traits into an asari's own memories, something that is called upon once the asari determines to have a child?
Imagine Benezia and Aethyta meeting in their idealistic matron youth, but their relationship ended on poor terms because their ideas for what would improve asari society diverged as they neared their matriarch years. Then Benezia has a child based on the woman she had last melded with.
Nah, that's a bit bizarre, but now I do wonder about the Benezia/Aethyta years.

Wouldn't that be a kicker. Thats an interesting thought. Though I don't quite think thats possible from what I have seen in the games, I do believe there needs to be a "live" connection for an Asari to conceive.

And yes, I am also very interested in Aethyta/Benezia, and their relationship and what tore them appart. I think it's safe to assume that Aethyta has been keeping track of her daughter, and I think its no coincidence that Aethyta is bartending on Illium, not so far from her daughter's office.

[MillaShepard]

Pacifien wrote...

It's probably contradicted somewhere in the game--actually, I'm sure of it--but does the melding necessarily have to be the start of conception? It could simply be the gathering of someone's genetic traits into an asari's own memories, something that is called upon once the asari determines to have a child.

Good question.  It's stated that if an Asari melds frequently it could trigger an early introduction into the Matron stage, but melding is just a word to describe how the Asari link nervous systems with their partner in order to pass along the second of 2 traits onto the child.  So it could be the start of conception, but I don't know for sure.  Liara mentions in ME1 that Asari mating rituals may or may not be physical, though I don't know if it's mentioned anywhere whether or not a purely physical relationship leads to the first part of conception, (then melding) or if melding is a necessity to be done no matter what, and being physical is optional.  I'd go with the latter, but i'm gonna try to resolve this. 

[jbauck]

Tancho wrote...
If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

Shepard was born April 11th, 2154, regardless of background, so is 28/29 in ME1.  Someone in their early 20's who has a PhD, an established career, and is self-supporting would be age-appropriate.

In the context of the asari where Liara's academic peers were likely much older (most asari don't leave home until they're legally adults around 60-ish, but Liara had a PhD in her 50's, judging by the fact she spent 50 years in her career as an archaeologist), it tracks that those peers would see her as barely more than a child - and the "barely more than a child" comment came up in the context of her research.  Regardless of maturity and accomplishment, a human academic in their 40's isn't going to take a 20-something very seriously, especially if they're advancing a radical theory.

Honestly, I imagine the age-difference could be more awkward on Liara's side ... even though she would know that human ages aren't equivalent to asari ones, she could easily have a gut-level twinge when she realizes Shepard is only 28: that's not old enough to have hit puberty for an asari.  Rationally she'd understand how old Shepard is by asari standards, but from another angle, there has to be a moment where she realizes she had a PhD before Shepard was even born ... that's gotta' be weird.

[Tancho]

jbauck wrote...

Tancho wrote...
If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

Shepard was born April 11th, 2154, regardless of background, so is 28/29 in ME1.  Someone in their early 20's who has a PhD, an established career, and is self-supporting would be age-appropriate.

In the context of the asari where Liara's academic peers were likely much older (most asari don't leave home until they're legally adults around 60-ish, but Liara had a PhD in her 50's, judging by the fact she spent 50 years in her career as an archaeologist), it tracks that those peers would see her as barely more than a child - and the "barely more than a child" comment came up in the context of her research.  Regardless of maturity and accomplishment, a human academic in their 40's isn't going to take a 20-something very seriously, especially if they're advancing a radical theory.

Honestly, I imagine the age-difference could be more awkward on Liara's side ... even though she would know that human ages aren't equivalent to asari ones, she could easily have a gut-level twinge when she realizes Shepard is only 28: that's not old enough to have hit puberty for an asari.  Rationally she'd understand how old Shepard is by asari standards, but from another angle, there has to be a moment where she realizes she had a PhD before Shepard was even born ... that's gotta' be weird.

This. Thank you.

Also, I didn't know there was an official birthday for Shep. Guess I need to read my codex more.

But, yeah, that's what I was trying to say - I don't think the age difference is a big deal. To be honest, it's kind of hard to really pinpoint where they are in comparison to one another - but regardless of that, it's obvious they are meeting on the same level mentally and emotionally. I think there's a lot of equality between them...thus, for me, age difference means little or nothing. 

Actually, if age difference came up in how much time they have left together, I would care. Mostly because the idea that Liara is going to spend most of her life without Shepard is a painful thought.