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[TheMarshal]

jbauck wrote...

Tancho wrote...
If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

Shepard was born April 11th, 2154, regardless of background, so is 28/29 in ME1.  Someone in their early 20's who has a PhD, an established career, and is self-supporting would be age-appropriate.

In the context of the asari where Liara's academic peers were likely much older (most asari don't leave home until they're legally adults around 60-ish, but Liara had a PhD in her 50's, judging by the fact she spent 50 years in her career as an archaeologist), it tracks that those peers would see her as barely more than a child - and the "barely more than a child" comment came up in the context of her research.  Regardless of maturity and accomplishment, a human academic in their 40's isn't going to take a 20-something very seriously, especially if they're advancing a radical theory.

Honestly, I imagine the age-difference could be more awkward on Liara's side ... even though she would know that human ages aren't equivalent to asari ones, she could easily have a gut-level twinge when she realizes Shepard is only 28: that's not old enough to have hit puberty for an asari.  Rationally she'd understand how old Shepard is by asari standards, but from another angle, there has to be a moment where she realizes she had a PhD before Shepard was even born ... that's gotta' be weird.

Where are you getting this information on the Asari development rates?  I've read a number of fanfics that talked about it, but nothing 'official'.

[Sunnie]

TheMarshal wrote...

jbauck wrote...

Tancho wrote...
If you play the Spacer role in ME1, you have the opportunity to talk to your mom. She says that your character was in high school in 2170. ME1 takes place in 2183, so that would put Shepard between the ages of 27 and 31. If Liara is considered to be in her 20's, I don't think it's awkward. I'm in my 20's and age gaps have changed for me. I don't think it's a big deal.

Shepard was born April 11th, 2154, regardless of background, so is 28/29 in ME1.  Someone in their early 20's who has a PhD, an established career, and is self-supporting would be age-appropriate.

In the context of the asari where Liara's academic peers were likely much older (most asari don't leave home until they're legally adults around 60-ish, but Liara had a PhD in her 50's, judging by the fact she spent 50 years in her career as an archaeologist), it tracks that those peers would see her as barely more than a child - and the "barely more than a child" comment came up in the context of her research.  Regardless of maturity and accomplishment, a human academic in their 40's isn't going to take a 20-something very seriously, especially if they're advancing a radical theory.

Honestly, I imagine the age-difference could be more awkward on Liara's side ... even though she would know that human ages aren't equivalent to asari ones, she could easily have a gut-level twinge when she realizes Shepard is only 28: that's not old enough to have hit puberty for an asari.  Rationally she'd understand how old Shepard is by asari standards, but from another angle, there has to be a moment where she realizes she had a PhD before Shepard was even born ... that's gotta' be weird.

Where are you getting this information on the Asari development rates?  I've read a number of fanfics that talked about it, but nothing 'official'.

It's sprinkled throughout the content of the 2 games.

[jbauck]

Dialogue with Samara places asari puberty at around 40, when they discovered Morinth was an Ardat-Yakshi. On Illium, by the weapons kiosk, an asari and salarian are discussing weapons and joining the Eclipse mercs, and the asari mentions that she's 60 and just got out of her parent's house ... I don't remember the exact phrasing, but it implies heavily that the asari is just now legally an adult, and this is the normal age for an asari to leave home, making it roughly 18-year-old equivalent for a human.

[TheMarshal]

Hmm... For my fic, I guess I kinda played fast-and-loose with the rules, assumed that Asari reached some form of physical maturity around the same time as humans (18 or so), and followed roughly the same route of schooling that humans did (college in the 20's). I guess when you have the ability to say "I spent the last 50 years studying the Protheans" and you're still barely considered an adult, some things are gonna be different.

[Tancho]

jbauck wrote...

Dialogue with Samara places asari puberty at around 40, when they discovered Morinth was an Ardat-Yakshi. On Illium, by the weapons kiosk, an asari and salarian are discussing weapons and joining the Eclipse mercs, and the asari mentions that she's 60 and just got out of her parent's house ... I don't remember the exact phrasing, but it implies heavily that the asari is just now legally an adult, and this is the normal age for an asari to leave home, making it roughly 18-year-old equivalent for a human.

I actually remember that asari who talked about moving out of her parent's house. I was taking care of the terminals for Liara when she said that...which was when I first started to realize that the differences.

If you think about it, Asari live longer, and as Liara said, they don't feel rushed to accomplish something. In fact, as she said, they usually seek difficult, lofty goals. Humans, on the other hand, feel the pressure of time and usually rush through things, accomplishing things in a shorter amount of time than Asari. I think, though, it all evens out and the ratio is equal. Perhaps it could be said that Asari accomplish the same amount as humans in their life spans. 

[MillaShepard]

Tancho wrote...

jbauck wrote...

Dialogue with Samara places asari puberty at around 40, when they discovered Morinth was an Ardat-Yakshi. On Illium, by the weapons kiosk, an asari and salarian are discussing weapons and joining the Eclipse mercs, and the asari mentions that she's 60 and just got out of her parent's house ... I don't remember the exact phrasing, but it implies heavily that the asari is just now legally an adult, and this is the normal age for an asari to leave home, making it roughly 18-year-old equivalent for a human.

I actually remember that asari who talked about moving out of her parent's house. I was taking care of the terminals for Liara when she said that...which was when I first started to realize that the differences.

If you think about it, Asari live longer, and as Liara said, they don't feel rushed to accomplish something. In fact, as she said, they usually seek difficult, lofty goals. Humans, on the other hand, feel the pressure of time and usually rush through things, accomplishing things in a shorter amount of time than Asari. I think, though, it all evens out and the ratio is equal. Perhaps it could be said that Asari accomplish the same amount as humans in their life spans. 

I agree with you Tancho, that the amount of what's accomplished (Asari VS Humans) is probably about the same in their respective lifetimes.  I actually found it odd when bringing Liara to Noveria she encourages you to set the Rachni Queen loose without a second thought.  Typically the majority of Asari (based on their tendency to take a step back and study any unknown situation because they have more time) might have let her go with the intention of "keeping an eye on her" in order to determine the desired outcome of her species.  Whether it be to let the Rachni live or wipe them out again.  Perhaps Liara is just that intuitive. 

[TMA LIVE]

Another interesting movie about the asari:



"Call Me Sally" opened at 1.33 billion, proving that painting an undercover asari Spectre in human makeup is still good fish-out-of-water comedy;"



Anyways, how long do you think asari schooling lasts? We know Liara was 56 when she started her research, and 40 is considered young to be on your own.

[Xilizhra]

I think that she entered the equivalent of asari college a bit early to start doing serious Prothean research at 56. I would guess that it normally starts around 60-ish, though.

[jbauck]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think that she entered the equivalent of asari college a bit early to start doing serious Prothean research at 56. I would guess that it normally starts around 60-ish, though.

I'd guess asari usually start college later than that.  We know that maidens go out into the galaxy to see new places and experience new things, and most are dancers or mercs while they're doing that.  To me, this seems roughly equivalent to taking a year or two off between high school and college to "find yourself" or go backpacking across Europe or whatever.  Just an impression that I got - no real basis - but I'd say Liara went to the University of Serrice a >lot< early compared to when other asari consider going to college.

[Co1in]

Didn't really think it warranted a thread, so...this seemed as good a place as any.

[Xilizhra]

Ahh... nicely done.

[Co1in]

Thanks

[MillaShepard]

@ Co1in Good job. just curious, what's the pic she's holding?

[Co1in]

It's supposed to be that case she keeps your dog tags in on her desk.

[MillaShepard]

nice, that's what i thought, but I wasn't sure.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Does most people in here save the alliance squadmember that is the same gender as their Shepard? If so does the fact that the Shepard is romancing Liara have anything to do with it (from a meta-gaming perspective)?

To give my own answer. Yes, but it's only a very minor factor.

[oxymoo28]

@Lizardviking I always save Ashley and have only played ME as FemShep, but it has less to do with Liara and more the fact that I like Ashley more than I do Kaidan. Also I never use him in my squad, but I like to bring Ash along sometimes.



I always assumed the Maiden stage started after puberty, and before that stage they are just known as children.



@Co1in nice pic

[Xilizhra]

I did that for my first playthrough, but... now the main reason I'll probably save Ashley is because the Virmire Survivor arc was built around her and Kaidan acts rather OOC through it.

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

Does most people in here save the alliance squadmember that is the same gender as their Shepard? If so does the fact that the Shepard is romancing Liara have anything to do with it (from a meta-gaming perspective)?

To give my own answer. Yes, but it's only a very minor factor.

I save both characters in different saves.  It really has nothing to do with the romance from an in-game or meta-perspective.

[adneate]

Lizardviking wrote...
Does most people in here save the alliance squadmember that is the same gender as their Shepard? If so does the fact that the Shepard is romancing Liara have anything to do with it (from a meta-gaming perspective)?

No, I like Kaidan a lot more than Ashley and I always play FemShep. It's easy enough to shut down the romance for either opposite sex alliance squadmate so I never got the confrontation scene.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

I did that for my first playthrough, but... now the main reason I'll probably save Ashley is because the Virmire Survivor arc was built around her and Kaidan acts rather OOC through it.

I'd rather blame Horizon's shoddy writing for why Kaidan acts OOC during the VS cameo, not because it was built around Ashley. But thats for another discussion

[JediMB]

I think I've saved Ashley in most of my saves, but I'm not completely sure about my Xbox Shepard and the one Shepard when I just rushed through the game. My first transfer-character was a Kaidan-romancer and saved him.

My most recent Shepard, who romanced Liara and did LotSB, did save Ashley, though, and for the first time I let Ash be the one to arm the nuke.

Modifié par JediMB, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:44 .