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[MillaShepard]

Ya, the dialogue is different, but Liara does not fight in this scene, therefore making her statement in LotSB relavent for both scenarios.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Hello Liara fans trying to catch up over 80+ pages here... I have two questions

1. How did she get your dog tags?
2. The armor piece in her apartment?

Shep died on Alchera.....unless the SB's people did it?

1: That's really left up to the player. Friendship dialog suggest she got them not so long ago by Hackett, but I think if she was romanced she got them much earlier, perhaps at Shepard's official funeral.

2: She had the body, possible she took a piece of the armor before handing everything over to Cerberus.

[Tancho]

drwells123 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Interesting...  on my most recent playthrough I picked her up first and didn't see her taking part in the fight.  Could be my mistake (the fight was over surprisingly quickly.  Tali + Garrus + Infiltrator for the smash!)

I haven't seen it, but supposedly if you're late to rescue her, she's frightened by the krogan and asks you not to let him get her (as opposed to saying "whatever you want, you won't get it from me").

Otherwise, if you say "We don't have time for this idiot. Charge!" she leans foward and glows with incipient biotic whupass.

But if she doesn't actually take part in the fight either way, that might explain her statement in LotSB.

I've always picked her up first and, every time, she kneels on the ground while I take out the Krogan. I always wondered what she was doing until I played LotSB. As far as I know, it's canon. 

[Robhuzz]

Tancho wrote...

I always do Therum first, too. I mean, I hear the hallucination scene is interesting if you leave her there for too long, but then, it could jeopardize your chances at romancing. It may not, but still, it would be a bit more rushed. That could have it's own upside if you're only into the game for the relationship, but I enjoy the game as a whole too much to rush things.

Oh, and I tried saying 'death, probably' instead of 'happily ever after' during the LotSB scene. Ugh, that was hard to stomach.

I can never get myself to select that option even though I have a permanent save before the cabin scene. What does Liara say when you choose 'death, probably'?

[Tancho]

Robhuzz wrote...

Tancho wrote...

I always do Therum first, too. I mean, I hear the hallucination scene is interesting if you leave her there for too long, but then, it could jeopardize your chances at romancing. It may not, but still, it would be a bit more rushed. That could have it's own upside if you're only into the game for the relationship, but I enjoy the game as a whole too much to rush things.

Oh, and I tried saying 'death, probably' instead of 'happily ever after' during the LotSB scene. Ugh, that was hard to stomach.

I can never get myself to select that option even though I have a permanent save before the cabin scene. What does Liara say when you choose 'death, probably'?

Ugh, it's awful. I have a save right before the cabin scene, so I can play it over and over without it affecting my game or the relationship. 

I tried it once and she becomes very hopeless and says something like, "Then why invite me for drinks? Why try?" Basically, something about, why are we even trying to make this work if there's no hope for us anyways? Shepard replies with, "We have today, right now." Then, the scene proceeds with, 'Goddess, you were dead' and 'I got better'. 

Also, I've found that I really like saying 'Done' instead of 'That's a pretty big promise to make'. The dialogue looks kind of like this:

Liara: I need to know you're always coming back.
Shep: I'm always coming back.
Liara: Are you sure?
Shep: I haven't stayed dead yet.
Liara: You make...a compelling argument.
Shep: Oh, I'm just getting started.

The scene plays out exactly like the 'That's a pretty big promise' scene, with them getting closer and closer, and Shep causing Liara's eyes to change. The dialogue is just different. 

[Robhuzz]

^I agree, I've found the best dialogue being (obviously) after the suicide mission. Choosing 'these are not mine any more' when liara gives you the tags gives you a better dialogue than the simple 'I thought I'd never see these again' IMO. Choosing the neutral dialogue when liara mentions you beating the collectors has shepard talking about being 'young and primitive'. With liara mentioning she'll be 109 in a few months. Shepard then says (s)he should get her something nice with liara stating she has shepard back, which is all she wants. Followed by the 'so tell me what you want'.



After that I always choose the happily ever after of course. I found those particular dialogue options make for the best conversation.



And the reaction to 'death most likely' sounds really sad. I'm not picking that option, not even as a test. Thanks :-)

[AlexMBrennan]

I've always picked her up first and, every time, she kneels on the ground while I take out the Krogan.

To be fair one should mention that she didn't have time to get her armour, and any fire fight without kinetic barriers is likely to be rather short; hence I assumed that she'd focused entirely on maintaining a barrier.

[drwells123]

Tancho wrote...

Ugh, it's awful. I have a save right before the cabin scene, so I can play it over and over without it affecting my game or the relationship. 

I tried it once and she becomes very hopeless and says something like, "Then why invite me for drinks? Why try?" Basically, something about, why are we even trying to make this work if there's no hope for us anyways? Shepard replies with, "We have today, right now." Then, the scene proceeds with, 'Goddess, you were dead' and 'I got better'. 

That's not bad. That's all we ever have, really, and I'll bet it sounds extra profound coming from Jen Hale I'll have to try that. I must have been mistaken and the breakup option is after Liara says "I need to know you're always coming back." Just don't pick that one

In fact, the breakup option should come with a warning label. Something like: "Listen up. The result of this dialogue option is so heartbreaking, it will destroy you. For the rest of your life, you will be like a tree that has been struck by lightning. A broken, blighted shadow of what otherwise could have been. We apologize, but we were forced to put this option in by the Devil. Just move the pointer up to the paragon or neutral choice. Trust us."

I must have seen it at some point, but my conjecture is that I invented time travel just to go back and undo the damage. Sorry for the hyperbole, but I want to warn any newcomers away from the horror.

Also, I've found that I really like saying 'Done' instead of 'That's a pretty big promise to make'. The dialogue looks kind of like this:

Liara: I need to know you're always coming back.
Shep: I'm always coming back.
Liara: Are you sure?
Shep: I haven't stayed dead yet.
Liara: You make...a compelling argument.
Shep: Oh, I'm just getting started.

The scene plays out exactly like the 'That's a pretty big promise' scene, with them getting closer and closer, and Shep causing Liara's eyes to change. The dialogue is just different. 

That's definitely better than the first option. I don't experiment enough. Thanks, I'll try that next time.

Modifié par drwells123, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:07 .

[Robhuzz]

^ I didn't even know there was a break up option at that point. I thought not using the paragon interrupt at the shadow broker base and then not using the 'about us' dialogue will end your romance. And of course selecting the neutral or renegade option when talking about your romance with liara at the base will end your romance. Are you sure there's a way to break up at the cabin scene? Not that I'd ever break up with liara, just curious here....

[bjdbwea]

I guess you would have to use the save game editor to know whether the romance is actually considered to be over after you choose those replies in dialogue. But who cares, as you said, why would anyone want that in the first place?

[Tancho]

drwells123 wrote...

Tancho wrote...

Ugh, it's awful. I have a save right before the cabin scene, so I can play it over and over without it affecting my game or the relationship. 

I tried it once and she becomes very hopeless and says something like, "Then why invite me for drinks? Why try?" Basically, something about, why are we even trying to make this work if there's no hope for us anyways? Shepard replies with, "We have today, right now." Then, the scene proceeds with, 'Goddess, you were dead' and 'I got better'. 

That's not bad. That's all we ever have, really, and I'll bet it sounds extra profound coming from Jen Hale I'll have to try that. I must have been mistaken and the breakup option is after Liara says "I need to know you're always coming back." Just don't pick that one

In fact, the breakup option should come with a warning label. Something like: "Listen up. The result of this dialogue option is so heartbreaking, it will destroy you. For the rest of your life, you will be like a tree that has been struck by lightning. A broken, blighted shadow of what otherwise could have been. We apologize, but we were forced to put this option in by the Devil. Just move the pointer up to the paragon or neutral choice. Trust us."

I must have seen it at some point, but my conjecture is that I invented time travel just to go back and undo the damage. Sorry for the hyperbole, but I want to warn any newcomers away from the horror.

Also, I've found that I really like saying 'Done' instead of 'That's a pretty big promise to make'. The dialogue looks kind of like this:

Liara: I need to know you're always coming back.
Shep: I'm always coming back.
Liara: Are you sure?
Shep: I haven't stayed dead yet.
Liara: You make...a compelling argument.
Shep: Oh, I'm just getting started.

The scene plays out exactly like the 'That's a pretty big promise' scene, with them getting closer and closer, and Shep causing Liara's eyes to change. The dialogue is just different. 

That's definitely better than the first option. I don't experiment enough. Thanks, I'll try that next time.

I agree with you when you say it's all we have, but that's not why it was awful. It's awful because Liara becomes very upset. When she says 'why invite me for drinks' etc., she is very upset and sad when she says it. While the dialogue is good, it's painful to hear Liara sound like that. 

Modifié par Tancho, 11 janvier 2011 - 04:46 .

[MillaShepard]

sounds like playing with fire to me. Good to know that that's not a diologue i'd like though.

[Tancho]

Oh, I updated my fanfiction. It's more of an 'in between chapter', so it's nothing astounding.



http://www.fanfictio...Mass_Chronology

[TheMarshal]

Interesting... I originally picked the "Done" option when asked to always come back, because for the life of me I just couldn't play coy at that moment. Then I watched the clip of the "Make me an offer" line and thought it felt more fun. But after reading your guys' posts, I think I made the right choice the first time through.

[jbauck]

ITA - I prefer the "done" option as well. After the flirty "marriage, old age, and a lot of little blue children" when Liara gives you that "Oh, Shepard ..." shove, it brings the scene around to a moment of total seriousness. As fun as the "make me an offer" line is ... it is coy - that's a good word for it, @TheMarshal.



To me, the "Done" line feels like Shepard is really making a promise, and in comparison, the "make me an offer" line feels like Shepard is kind of blowing off Liara's feelings with a "stop worrying - let's get to the sexytimes!" attitude. Shepard choosing to lighten the mood and avoid the serious issues right then isn't necessarily a bad thing - it plays just fine, and considering they just got back together and they really don't know what's going to happen when the Reapers arrive, I can see Shepard choosing to avoid making a promise she isn't sure she can keep.



But for me, Shepard actually saying "I promise I'm always coming back" is just ... necessary. Besides - my Shep is arrogant that way. She really is planning on beating the Reapers, living to tell the tale, and marrying Liara.

[Tancho]

jbauck wrote...

But for me, Shepard actually saying "I promise I'm always coming back" is just ... necessary. Besides - my Shep is arrogant that way. She really is planning on beating the Reapers, living to tell the tale, and marrying Liara.

Sounds like we both have arrogant Shepards, haha. If I've survived this long, you better believe I'm going to survive ME3 and have little blue kiddos with Liara. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jbauck wrote...
Shepard choosing to lighten the mood and avoid the serious issues right then isn't necessarily a bad thing - it plays just fine, and considering they just got back together and they really don't know what's going to happen when the Reapers arrive, I can see Shepard choosing to avoid making a promise she isn't sure she can keep.

That's why I prefer "Make me an offer" dialog. The following lines are also much more enjoyable and heartwarming IMO.

[TheMarshal]

That whole scene was one of the reasons that I wanted to start writing my own stuff. The options available are good, and many of them are charming, but they just don't quite fit who I see my Shepard as. She'd probably say something like:



Shep: Even if I win every battle, defeat every threat to the galaxy, and return safely to you after every mission, there's going to come a time when I can't come back...



Perhaps a bit of a mood killer, but I think that she's got a clear enough head to understand the inevitable.

[Robhuzz]

[quote]TheMarshal wrote...

Shep: Even if I win every battle, defeat every threat to the galaxy, and return safely to you after every mission, there's going to come a time when I can't come back...

But that's okay. As an Asari, Liara understands she will far outlive Shepard under normal circumstances (even though I expect with all the implants Shepard will live quite a bit longer than the avarage human) so she'll focus on and enjoy all the moments the two have left together.

I'm sure Liara will find peace eventually when Shepard finally passes away the natural way after 150 or so years of marriage, saddens me to think about it but that's what the asari have to deal with when bonding with a partner that's no krogan or other asari...

[TheMarshal]

I know, and it's been brought up in this thread before, but I think it's a discussion between the characters which offers a lot of potentially great, meaningful dialogue, particularly at that moment, when Liara is basically asking Shepard to always come back. It's moments like that, the stuff that doesn't get said, which got me writing my own material. I can't help but think about it.

[Tancho]

@Robhuzz - I actually wondered about her implants and upgrades as well. I have a feeling she is going to live longer than the average human, much like Miranda.



But, I think that when Shepard passes peacefully, Liara will be able to handle it better than before. I mean, Shepard's initial death was very sudden and not terribly long after they had confessed their feelings to one another. And, on top of that, their last interaction was Shepard ordering her to leave. That's not exactly closure. I'm sure, circumstances considered, Liara felt robbed.



Don't get me wrong - when and if Shepard dies of old age, I'm sure Liara will experience intense grief. But, at least this time, they will have had time together and would have seen it coming. There would be much more closure and she probably wouldn't feel quite as robbed.

[Robhuzz]

^It would be weird for Liara not to experience intense grief when Shepard dies eventually even though the asari have pretty much evolved to be able to handle that sort of thing better. I imagine before they mastered space flight and started reproducing with other species they'd have behaved much like humans when it comes to losing people.

I suppose liara's so deeply hurt because shepard just died so unexpectedly. I mean if shepard had died in a dangerous mission of some kind she wouldn't have felt THAT terrible for it was a calculated risk. Nobody expected anything to happen to the normandy right there, everyone is completely taken off guard when that collector vessel hits and 5 minutes later, Liara gets over to joker's escape pod and he has to tell her shepard didn't make it. (Though I think because of their mental connection liara was already aware of shepard's death even before joker told her)

Add to that the fact that Liara wasn't fully expecting either herself or shepard to survive Ilos and hence she really wanted to spend one last night with shepard. After a triumph like that (no crew or squadmember died after that so I consider it a major victory) losing Shepard in such an abrupt way... I can't even imagine what a person must be going through at that point...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[Co1in]

Tancho wrote...

jbauck wrote...

But for me, Shepard actually saying "I promise I'm always coming back" is just ... necessary. Besides - my Shep is arrogant that way. She really is planning on beating the Reapers, living to tell the tale, and marrying Liara.

Sounds like we both have arrogant Shepards, haha. If I've survived this long, you better believe I'm going to survive ME3 and have little blue kiddos with Liara. 

And then maybe one of them can become a Spectre too, and we can play as her in a new series :happy:  Maybe if they continue the series in the future that could be an option for folks who import from ME3 and romanced liara.

[AlexMBrennan]

Mass Effect: Origins - play as an asari spectre, quarian engineer or human Alliance marine and descendant of the legendary Commander Shepard?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:16 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Co1in wrote...

Tancho wrote...

jbauck wrote...

But for me, Shepard actually saying "I promise I'm always coming back" is just ... necessary. Besides - my Shep is arrogant that way. She really is planning on beating the Reapers, living to tell the tale, and marrying Liara.

Sounds like we both have arrogant Shepards, haha. If I've survived this long, you better believe I'm going to survive ME3 and have little blue kiddos with Liara. 

And then maybe one of them can become a Spectre too, and we can play as her in a new series :happy:  Maybe if they continue the series in the future that could be an option for folks who import from ME3 and romanced liara.

videogame logic dictates that Liara and Shepard's daugther would be a kickass spectre!

But to be serious. I wouldn't mind if one of the epilogues mention that (one of) their daughter(s) became a spectre. For extra lulzs, have the council be just as as concerned of her as they was of Shepard.