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jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Not to mention it wouldn't make any sense to penalize a player for romancing someone in ME1 and then deciding that he/she liked the new ME2 LI's more, when you couldn't know about them being there prior to playing ME2.

I do expect a bit of a drama and maybe a definite decision on Shepard's part of who he/she wants to stick with, but not much more than that.

Exactly.  It seems unfair to the PS3 players to punish them for going with another in ME2 (given the comic...geesh) so this will have to apply accross the other platforms too (as they will make one game for all of them). 

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

I had completely forgotten about it until last week, when he asked me who I romanced in ME1, saying that he picked Liara, as she seemed to be the best choice. It didn't occur to me that he may have just been using the comic... I mean, it's all well and good if you manage to come to the right choice, even if it is for the wrong reasons...

Well, she is the best choice, given that the other two don't get much page time in the comic and aren't described as 'beautiful'. 

I wouldn't say Liara is the right choice, as that's subjective.  Still, I don't think it matters as I'm sure your friends (along with 99% of the other PS3 users) will end up with an ME2 LI, understandibly so. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Not to mention it wouldn't make any sense to penalize a player for romancing someone in ME1 and then deciding that he/she liked the new ME2 LI's more, when you couldn't know about them being there prior to playing ME2.

I do expect a bit of a drama and maybe a definite decision on Shepard's part of who he/she wants to stick with, but not much more than that.

Exactly.  It seems unfair to the PS3 players to punish them for going with another in ME2 (given the comic...geesh) so this will have to apply accross the other platforms too (as they will make one game for all of them). 

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

I was thinking the same thing.

But I still wonder why romancing Liara in LOTSB doesn't lock out the other romances, or atleast, forces people to go back to Liara and break it up with her.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

That's what's going to happen but my point is that there will not be any repercussions beyond an insignificant confrontation scene in ME3.  Liara isn't the only ME1 LI and the others don't have DLC yet.  I have a feeling these ME3 confrontation scenes will be cookie-cutter regardless of the identity of the two LIs who are doing the confronting.

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Lizardviking wrote...

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jlb524 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Not to mention it wouldn't make any sense to penalize a player for romancing someone in ME1 and then deciding that he/she liked the new ME2 LI's more, when you couldn't know about them being there prior to playing ME2.

I do expect a bit of a drama and maybe a definite decision on Shepard's part of who he/she wants to stick with, but not much more than that.

Exactly.  It seems unfair to the PS3 players to punish them for going with another in ME2 (given the comic...geesh) so this will have to apply accross the other platforms too (as they will make one game for all of them). 

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

I was thinking the same thing.

But I still wonder why romancing Liara in LOTSB doesn't lock out the other romances, or atleast, forces people to go back to Liara and break it up with her.

Because they want to be "players" I guess. When I made up my mind, I broke up with Tali before I did the Cabin Scene. I didn't keep it going because I still didn't have a clue by then, or because I wanted to feel like a pimp. There's no reason to go into ME3 with 2 LI's unless you simply want to be a scumbag. I'd only make an exception for those who don't have LOTSB. But PS3 players don't have that excuse.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 05:48 .

[jlb524]

Lizardviking wrote...

But I still wonder why romancing Liara in LOTSB doesn't lock out the other romances, or atleast, forces people to go back to Liara and break it up with her.

I still don't think Liara should have agreed to continue the romance in LotSB if Shepard had a thing going with <insert ME2 LI name here>.  Liara should have told Shepard that, though she does still care, it would be best to give it time due to the feelings Shepard has for <insert ME2 LI name here>.

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jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

That's what's going to happen but my point is that there will not be any repercussions beyond an insignificant confrontation scene in ME3.  Liara isn't the only ME1 LI and the others don't have DLC yet.  I have a feeling these ME3 confrontation scenes will be cookie-cutter regardless of the identity of the two LIs who are doing the confronting.

Well, how about no marriage? After all, I wouldn't want to get married to someone who just "decided" who he wanted to be with after lying for a year or 2, and only chose because a catfight happened.

[Master Shiori]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

I'm not talking about that kind of scenario.

I'm saying that if someone made, say, a male Shepard, choose to romance Liara in the comic based on nothing more than her being described as a "beautiful Asari", and then after several hours of playing ME2 and interacting with Miranda, Jack and Tali it would be normal if the palyer decided to romance one of them as opposed to some character he/she only heard about on one comic page.

Such a person wouldn't have any kind of emotional attachement to Liara because he/she never got to know her properly, unlike those of us who romanced her in ME1.

Now, in your scenario breaking up with Liara would really be a scumabg thing to do, especially when you consider that this is a woman (well, Asari) who never gave up on Shepard and was ready to sacrifice anything and go to any length to see him/her return. Having Shepard say: "Thanks for that Liara, but I need to break up with you so I can romance new squadmate X" could rightly go down as a very definition of rotten, unfaithful bastard.

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Master Shiori wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bull****. Liara's awesome in LOTSB and they have it right off the bat. If they tell her they still want to continue the romance, get the cabin scene, and then romance Miranda/Tali/Jack 2 hours later, that's scumbag label right there.

I'm not talking about that kind of scenario.

I'm saying that if someone made, say, a male Shepard, choose to romance Liara in the comic based on nothing more than her being described as a "beautiful Asari", and then after several hours of playing ME2 and interacting with Miranda, Jack and Tali it would be normal if the palyer decided to romance one of them as opposed to some character he/she only heard about on one comic page.

Such a person wouldn't have any kind of emotional attachement to Liara because he/she never got to know her properly, unlike those of us who romanced her in ME1.

Now, in your scenario breaking up with Liara would really be a scumabg thing to do, especially when you consider that this is a woman (well, Asari) who never gave up on Shepard and was ready to sacrifice anything and go to any length to see him/her return. Having Shepard say: "Thanks for that Liara, but I need to break up with you so I can romance new squadmate X" could rightly go down as a very definition of rotten, unfaithful bastard.

If Shepard's moving on, I'm sure Liara would rather have him tell her "Let's just be friend", then to continue the romance she pointed out to him on Illium all the way to ME3, as well as tell her he still wants her. Liara herself even says it's been 2 years, and "just because we were together before", "I don't want to put pressure on you". Will she be hurt or heartbroker? Yes, but that's better then the other route that I described.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 05:58 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...


Well, how about no marriage? After all, I wouldn't want to get married to someone who just "decided" who he wanted to be with after lying for a year or 2, and only chose because a catfight happened.

Of course not, but do you think the Devs are going to make two separate paths here and for every LI (besides Liara)?

I say...no.  They will take the easy way out and everyone will get the same ending with Liara (and the others) in spite of how you got there.

Yes, my Shepard who didn't so much as look at another woman during ME2 b/c she still couldn't get Liara off her brain will get the same ending as one who slept with all three ME2 LIs and took Liara back in LotSB.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Talking about cheating on Liara makes me depressed!

In unrelated news: I feel like using smily's all the time today.

[Master Shiori]

TMA LIVE wrote...

If Shepard's moving on, I'm sure Liara would rather have him tell her "Let's just be friend", then to continue the romance she pointed out to him on Illium all the way to ME3, as well as tell her he still wants her. Liara herself even says it's been 2 years, and "just because we were together before", "I don't want to put pressure on you". Will she be hurt or heartbroker? Yes, but that's better then the other route that I described.

Oh, I agree.

Personally, it's not something my FemShepards would do, but then again, Liara has always been my favorite ME romance.

[oxymoo28]

So . . . The comic. Wow. Thank God I have ME1.

Liara certainly seems to be pushed as an LI choice more than the VS, and when they melded didn't the VO say something along the lines that he enjoyed it? Pretty sure my Shep was never able to describe the experience as 'enjoyable'.

And yeah PS3 players aren't going to be attached to their original LI choice and may understandably move on in ME2 , which means continuation and consequences of romances will probably suffer in ME3, which I'm not happy with.

And why would someone play through LotSB with a romanced Liara and then romance someone else?

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oxymoo28 wrote....
And why would someone play through LotSB with a romanced Liara and then romance someone else?

To stroke their ego by making them feel like James Bond. Because everyone wants to be James Bond.

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jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


Well, how about no marriage? After all, I wouldn't want to get married to someone who just "decided" who he wanted to be with after lying for a year or 2, and only chose because a catfight happened.

Of course not, but do you think the Devs are going to make two separate paths here and for every LI (besides Liara)?

They damn well better. Bioware might not be the fan's ****** as David Gaider once said, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to demand seperate paths and outcomes.

[jlb524]

oxymoo28 wrote...

Liara certainly seems to be pushed as an LI choice more than the VS, and when they melded didn't the VO say something along the lines that he enjoyed it? Pretty sure my Shep was never able to describe the experience as 'enjoyable'.

I doubt a knowledge meld would be enjoyable given the effect it has on Liara (and Shepard after melding with Shiala).

However, like you said, it seems they want to push people to Liara so she's made out to be this bosomy hot blue alien chick in which you can have super awesome mind sex with.

Though, I'm doubting it will be described as 'enjoyable' in the FemShep version...they'll have to 'de-gay' it for her, of course...or have Liara exclaim 'no ******' immediately following.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Captain Iglo]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


Well, how about no marriage? After all, I wouldn't want to get married to someone who just "decided" who he wanted to be with after lying for a year or 2, and only chose because a catfight happened.

Of course not, but do you think the Devs are going to make two separate paths here and for every LI (besides Liara)?

I say...no.  They will take the easy way out and everyone will get the same ending with Liara (and the others) in spite of how you got there.

Yes, my Shepard who didn't so much as look at another woman during ME2 b/c she still couldn't get Liara off her brain will get the same ending as one who slept with all three ME2 LIs and took Liara back in LotSB.

I expect so too. Maybe one different dialogue in the beginning but then its back on the same vesion of Liara romance with same scenes (if they dont change because of non romance story decisions).

[Captain Crash]

Bioware know the fans will invent their own end regardless at the end of the trilogy. So I dont even consider it too big a deal. They should have learnt by now what to do and not to do!  As long as they do it right and leave it hanging nicely for us. The fans can then create their own futures. Maybe even write fanfics or have happy ending images like this.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 16 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[jlb524]

Awwww



Yes, fanfic is great. I play to keep writing it after ME3. Hopefully I'm free to do whatever as you said, Captain, and don't have to go completely AU to write what I want for my Shepard and Liara.

[Tancho]

I'm kind of staying optimistic. I think that they'll reward those who remain faithful differently then those who make a decision late-game or those who cheat. They said that these decisions will have repercussions, and I don't think they will cheapen the experience just because some people came in a bit late. Mass Effect has been around years and these decisions have been taking place over several years.



First - apparently, and I only heard this, they've been working on ME3 for a long time. I think that, since this is the last game, they'll probably go all out. They can actually reveal the full consequences of your actions since there's nothing left to hide.



Second, we've been told that our LI choices will have consequences, and again, I don't think that the PS3 lag is going to change that.



Optimism for the win!

[TheMarshal]

Liara: Thanks for stopping by, Shepard. It's good to see you, however I know about you and <other LI>, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to blow you out the airlock.



*fwhooosh!*

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

As I'm assuming that LotSB contains its own Liara romance flag, I wonder if the tone and nature of the Liara/ME2 LI confrontation in ME3 will vary accordingly? If the romance was not reconciled in LotSB, then Liara's reaction may be a little more mild, as opposed to the more angered/disappointed reaction if Shepard romanced her in LotSB, and then cheated with a ME2 LI anyway.

That's what I'm hoping for. If the player never played LOTSB, Liara should probably question Shepard about it, but assume he's moved on, and let it go. If Shepard tries to say otherwise, then he's going to have to do some convincing, and leave his ME2 LI.

Now if you did play LOTSB, and reconfirmed things, while still having a ME2 LI for ME3, I hope this Shepard gets dumped. No buts.

If you did ask to be friends in LOTSB, and then later lefted you ME2 LI, I think it's fair for them to try again 2 years later. And players who never played ME1 will get the same treatment.

But if you did confirm things in LOTSB (without importing a ME2 LI to go along with it), or was faithfully in ME2 without LOTSB, then I want a marrage, since they've been at least faithful for 2 years or more by ME3. If you did once have a ME2 LI (and broke up with them in ME2), then it should be brought up. But if you continue to be faithful in ME3, and do some convincing, plus 2 years of being together again and faithful, then it should be still possible.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:27 .

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

Liara: Thanks for stopping by, Shepard. It's good to see you, however I know about you and , so I'm afraid I'm going to have to blow you out the airlock.

*fwhooosh!*

I like this idea.

[oxymoo28]

Well the FemShep dialogue better not differ, seeing as that would be the only one I will experience if I bother to download the comic. Unfortunately I get the feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.