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[jlb524]

oxymoo28 wrote...

Well the FemShep dialogue better not differ, seeing as that would be the only one I will experience if I bother to download the comic. Unfortunately I get the feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.

It will differ (in regards to Liara) trust me.

Also, regarding ME3 and the Liara romance:  I don't knock people who have hopes that it will be different (and better) for those that remained faithful throughout the trilogy.  I hope this will happen as well.  However, I don't expect for it to happen.

If LotSB was any indication, then it won't be much different between the two (I think in LotSB Liara gets snippy ONCE with a Shepard who took another LI and that's it).  Also, keep in mind that LotSB was made for the 'hardcore fans' of the series and not for the 'masses', as ME3 will be made for.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

[oxymoo28]

@jlb yeah I know, I just wish it wouldn't.

I agree whilst it would be great to have a difference between those who remained faithful and those who didn't, I can't really see there being more than one confrontation scene and then that'll be it for differences.

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jlb524 wrote...

oxymoo28 wrote...

Well the FemShep dialogue better not differ, seeing as that would be the only one I will experience if I bother to download the comic. Unfortunately I get the feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.

It will differ (in regards to Liara) trust me.

Also, regarding ME3 and the Liara romance:  I don't knock people who have hopes that it will be different (and better) for those that remained faithful throughout the trilogy.  I hope this will happen as well.  However, I don't expect for it to happen.

If LotSB was any indication, then it won't be much different between the two (I think in LotSB Liara gets snippy ONCE with a Shepard who took another LI and that's it).  Also, keep in mind that LotSB was made for the 'hardcore fans' of the series and not for the 'masses', as ME3 will be made for.

I wouldn't give up though. Example, for the Shepard that had a romance with Tali, Liara still flagged Shepard as a friend in some of the dialogue, despite the past romance. While those that didn't move on got an exclusive dialogue bit.

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Lizardviking wrote...

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

I think it was more because some players may have just assumed Liara moved on. Even Liara doesn't feeling like forcing the romance on Shepard if he wants to move on. And Shepard might be weirded out by the 2 year change, and felt like she wasn't the same person. But after LOTSB, the possibilies might be open, since Shepard could change his mind after talking with her.

But after that, if Shepard made up his mind, and ME3 comes along, and he's still with two woman, there's kind of no excuse at that point. It's literally Shepard trying to have it both ways.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:54 .

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.

I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.

However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.

This too.

[jlb524]

My only fear is (as mentioned) LotSB was created for the fans and it shows. ME3 will not be created as such. I just don't expect much but I do hope it will be good.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.

I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.

However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.

TMA LIVE wrote...

I
think it was more because some players may have just assumed Liara
moved on. Even Liara doesn't feeling like forcing the romance on Shepard
if he wants to move on. And Shepard might be weirded out by the 2 year
change, and felt like she wasn't the same person. But after LOTSB, the
possibilies might be open, since Shepard could change his mind after
talking with her.

But after that, if Shepard made up his mind,
and ME3 comes along, and he's still with two woman, there's kind of no
excuse at that point. It's literally Shepard trying to have it both
ways.

Those are some quite valid points.

[Shinannigan]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.

I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.

However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.

I'm sorry, but no. It's not like Shepard and Liara have really been separated for two years. From Shepards perspective, it'll have been a couple of weeks at the most, possibly as little as three to five days, considering that Shep was dead/in a coma for most of the time. If Shepard actually can't hold his/her libido for less than a month just because Liara has a different focus right now, then I don't see why Liara should understand.
After all, once Shepard meets Liara, it becomes clear that they are not even on a break, as exibited by their kissing.

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Shinannigan wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.

I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.

However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.

I'm sorry, but no. It's not like Shepard and Liara have really been separated for two years. From Shepards perspective, it'll have been a couple of weeks at the most, possibly as little as three to five days, considering that Shep was dead/in a coma for most of the time. If Shepard actually can't hold his/her libido for less than a month just because Liara has a different focus right now, then I don't see why Liara should understand.
After all, once Shepard meets Liara, it becomes clear that they are not even on a break, as exibited by their kissing.

Yeah, but Liara's not the same person he romanced 2 years ago. She's changed a lot. And even pulls away, and shakes her head after the kiss. Her voice is different, her job is different, her looks are different, and her actions are different. There's a lot of things people can interpret or mis-interpret when playing.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 08:26 .

[Shinannigan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope the reason there weren't much consequence for having another LI in LOTSB was because it was DLC.

That, and I'm also inclined to believe that, from an in-universe perspective, Liara gives Shepard something of a "free pass" in LotSB, given the difficult status of the relationship up until that point.

I'm not condoning cheating at all, but I think that, to a certain extent, Liara would understand if Shepard sought comfort with another LI whilst their own relationship was enduring a rocky period.

However, I think Liara will be seriously irritated and angered if Shepard cheats on her after reaffirming the romance in LotSB, and rightly so. This is why I believe that there will be more severe consequences for cheating in ME3.

I'm sorry, but no. It's not like Shepard and Liara have really been separated for two years. From Shepards perspective, it'll have been a couple of weeks at the most, possibly as little as three to five days, considering that Shep was dead/in a coma for most of the time. If Shepard actually can't hold his/her libido for less than a month just because Liara has a different focus right now, then I don't see why Liara should understand.
After all, once Shepard meets Liara, it becomes clear that they are not even on a break, as exibited by their kissing.

Yeah, but Liara's not the same person he romanced 2 years ago. She's changed a lot. And even pulls away, and shakes her head after the kiss.

Well then, Shep can either stick it out and wait for the rocky patch to resolve or become clearer, or he can move on, but cheating is cheating and in LotSB Liara seems to have become a grown woman/alien/whatever who knows what she wants, and if Shepard doesn't want to work on the relationship, I don't see why Liara should give him/her a free pass.

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Shinannigan wrote...
Well then, Shep can either stick it out and wait for the rocky patch to resolve or become clearer, or he can move on, but cheating is cheating and in LotSB Liara seems to have become a grown woman/alien/whatever who knows what she wants, and if Shepard doesn't want to work on the relationship, I don't see why Liara should give him/her a free pass.

Because they never talked about it. Like I said, there's a lot players could assume. Liara even says "I know you're not with another now... but that doesn't mean... just because we were together before..." and it's been 2 years for her. 2 years of being romanced to a dead body. And to Shepard, Liara's a completely different person. A lot of people could assume they weren't even together till LOTSB, and were simply friends till then. Hell, it literally can be played that way. There's too much left to interpretation from the player.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 08:34 .

[jlb524]

I do agree with Shinannigan here in that it really hasn't been a long time for Shepard. Even if Liara is acting different, I tend to roleplay my Shepards as being shocked and hurt over it but not desiring a new partner right away. It's too sudden to get over Liara just like that.

[Shinannigan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...
Well then, Shep can either stick it out and wait for the rocky patch to resolve or become clearer, or he can move on, but cheating is cheating and in LotSB Liara seems to have become a grown woman/alien/whatever who knows what she wants, and if Shepard doesn't want to work on the relationship, I don't see why Liara should give him/her a free pass.

Because they never talked about it. Like I said, there's a lot players could assume. Liara even says "I know you're not with another now... but that doesn't mean... just because we were together before..." and it's been 2 years for her. 2 years of being romanced to a dead body. And to Shepard, Liara's a completely different person. A lot of people could assume they weren't even together till LOTSB, and were simply friends till then. Hell, it literally can be played that way. There's too much left to interpretation from the player.

You do have a point there. But I stand by my opinion. I guess, I am simply a much more jealous man than you are, my good Sir.

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jlb524 wrote...

I do agree with Shinannigan here in that it really hasn't been a long time for Shepard. Even if Liara is acting different, I tend to roleplay my Shepards as being shocked and hurt over it but not desiring a new partner right away. It's too sudden to get over Liara just like that.

Normally, I could agree. But then we run into "but what about the player?". Example, if someone didn't play ME1 for 2 years? Then that might interfere with people's decision. Or from Shepard's POV, how long was ME2 in his timeline? Was it a year long mission? 6 months? Dragon Age was a full year, as Wayne will tell you.

Again, a lot of this is based off the player, and what he or she thinks. Everyone is different.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2011 - 08:48 .

[jlb524]

Of course it's been two years for the player...I'm talking about Shepard here. Even if it was 6 months until she reached Illium, there's no way my Shepard's feelings for Liara would have subsided even by a little bit. She was in love with Liara by the time the Normandy blew up (even if she wouldn't admit it to herself) and these feelings aren't going away, especially prior to meeting Liara again when there is still hope.

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Shinannigan wrote...

You do have a point there. But I stand by my opinion. I guess, I am simply a much more jealous man than you are, my good Sir.

Keep in mind though, I am the type that believe my Shepard (or that Shepard, since I have more then one, and they were faithful) is in the wrong, and has a lot to make up for.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

However, I think an unspoken assumption exists in LotSB that Shepard will break it off with the ME2 LI, and that she's back with Liara. In that respect, Liara will realise that their love is genuine, and that the relationship with the ME2 LI will end ASAP.

I guess that works from Liara's perspective but Shepard can keep on romancing the ME2 LI after LotSB or start a new romance with another one.

[MillaShepard]

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Marriage for the faithful FTW!!!

[MillaShepard]

Cheaters get a boot to the face.