Revan312 wrote...
Quite profitable, but compared to what? It depends on what your comparing it to, as MW2 sold nearly 5 times the copies of ME2 or DA:O, and it was pretty much a reskin with a flashy 6 hour sp campaign.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
All personal thoughts aside, EA IS responsible. In the merger with Bioware/Pandemic, EA CEO John Riccitiello took over as lead CEO for all three companies. He was originally an EA CEO. That is why EA is responsible for what is going on with Bioware. I apologize, I'm not trying to fight, I'm just pissed that a once great and creative company is below what they could be, likely against their will and capability.
Correlation does not equal causation. The burden of proof is on you and others making the accusation to provide evidence of causation. It is not self-evident.leonia42 wrote...
This is why imported American beer sucks. Now if Sam Adams Summer Ale was made available year round.. maybe the Americans wouldn't get ragged on for their beer quality so much by the rest of the world.
There's a reason for that.
leonia42 wrote...
Oh I agree, my complaint is the good stuff is hard to find outside the US. I grew up in America but I learned to drink and appreciate beer when I immigrated to Australia and I have a more sophisticated palate than my family and friends back home. I love a good microbrew though, they just need to import that stuff overseas!
Interesting article, Shorts, I feel slighly more educated now, somehow I always manage to forget about Prohibition.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
I'd be willing to bet very few people who bought MW2 (or BFBC2, myself included) gave a damn about the single player campaign.
Modifié par Revan312, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:27 .
leonia42 wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
Okay, I'll try to simplify; in retail, if something is priced wrong, who's fault is it? The stores' fault. Now, who is usually expected to scan prices of items in the morning to make sure they're correct? Grunt level employees. Now, if the manager does not assign them to do this, instead forcing them to do some other task, then whose fault is it? The managers for being an idiot and not allowing his employees to do their job that they were hired to do. Better?
*scratches head* What?
Do you understand the difference between "publisher" and "developer" ? EA doesn't make the games, they publish them. Bioware does all the grunt work and has complete control over the creative process. As much as you hate on EA, you can't deny they are pretty successful when it comes to make money. They're not a bad publisher to have on your side (I'm by no means an EA fangurl or a fan of most of their games but I can't deny they know how to make money and promote games effectively).
Brockololly wrote......
And I wonder a bit if EA in their self admitted quest to have every title be a blockbuster, saw the relative success of ME1 and liked what they were seeing in ME2, all before Origins was released, and made the call to provide BioWare with that data/guidance/ research mentioned above for DA2- to take it in a more console friendly, accessible, action-RPG direction- as thats what they presumed would be a winner in ME2. And then Origins came out and surprised them.
Maybe they thought it would do well, but not as well as it did. And then ME2 came out a couple months later and oops...it did well, but not the massive blockbuster they originally thought. I don't think its a coincidence that Origins is still priced at about $30 over a year after its release while ME2 is routinely found for $10 not even a year after launch. I'm not saying ME2 was a failure or anything, but perhaps EA gave the DA team guidance/focus group feedback/data that they should take DA in the ME direction but that was before they maybe realized they overestimated on ME2's actual retail performance.
Modifié par Iberius, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .
wolf3957 wrote...
First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later.
wolf3957 wrote...
A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book.
wolf3957 wrote...
Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:31 .
wolf3957 wrote...
I'm gonna go with imported American beer as a metaphor then. First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later. A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book. Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later.
...correlation does not equal causation.wolf3957 wrote...
A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book.
Exhibit A and Exhibit B. Less than two years. That's skipping my usual "a month of development time is not a universal constant" counterargument.wolf3957 wrote...
Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
That taste is subjective and can't be used in isolation to prove anything one way or the other on its own.
Piecake wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
I'm gonna go with imported American beer as a metaphor then. First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later. A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book. Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
You're simply not going to convince anyone that doesnt already share your opinion if your conclusions are based on opinions and speculation.
Revan312 wrote...
Corona/San Miguel for life!! Also Kirin..
wolf3957 wrote...
1998-2000 is two years?
wolf3957 wrote...
No, I'm not going to convince anyone because no one so far has done the research into this as I have done.
AlanC9 wrote...
Anyone else remember Michael Jackson -- the beer expert, not the pedophile -- calling Corona "the worst beer in the
world" on Conan's show?
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .
Upsettingshorts wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
1998-2000 is two years?
November 1998 to September 2000 is a couple months less than two years. We could count the days between release dates, but I'm not sure what that'd accomplish.
wolf3957 wrote...
No, I'm not going to convince anyone because no one so far has done the research into this as I have done.
Modifié par Piecake, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .
wolf3957 wrote...
Piecake wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
I'm gonna go with imported American beer as a metaphor then. First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later. A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book. Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
You're simply not going to convince anyone that doesnt already share your opinion if your conclusions are based on opinions and speculation.
No, I'm not going to convince anyone because no one so far has done the research into this as I have done.
Modifié par leonia42, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:38 .
wolf3957 wrote...
No, it wouldn't, but also, not much changed from Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2, except a new graphics system and a story. Certainly not enough to warrent beyond two years.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:39 .
wolf3957 wrote...
Piecake wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
I'm gonna go with imported American beer as a metaphor then. First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later. A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book. Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
You're simply not going to convince anyone that doesnt already share your opinion if your conclusions are based on opinions and speculation.
No, I'm not going to convince anyone because no one so far has done the research into this as I have done.
leonia42 wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
Piecake wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
I'm gonna go with imported American beer as a metaphor then. First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware. There are three years between the titles. EA command was in full swing with DA, and now DA2 is coming out barely a year later. A good, true rpg always has at least two-three years of development. It has a quality you can see and interact with. It's so immersive that it's like reading a book. Like actual American beer versus the imported stuff. You can taste the difference. It tastes like quality, not quantity. Like Bioware and EA; Bioware wants a game that people will want to hold on to even for nostalgia purpose, EA just wants a title to make them money.
You're simply not going to convince anyone that doesnt already share your opinion if your conclusions are based on opinions and speculation.
No, I'm not going to convince anyone because no one so far has done the research into this as I have done.
Lol, research? What research?
And you cannot put Kirin in the same category as Corona. Corona is crap and is only drinkable if you're already drunk. Like Heinekin. But that of course is just my personal opinion on the matter.
wolf3957 wrote...
First, between ME and ME2 there were three years. ME2 was released just after EA bought out Bioware.
Modifié par AlanC9, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:53 .
wolf3957 wrote...
The same research you're welcome to go
do. I'm done trying to prove my point that EA is going to do to the
gaming industry what Microsoft has done to the computer and internet
industry, and no, I'm not gonna explain that for you.
Modifié par leonia42, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:48 .
Upsettingshorts wrote...
If you make arguments like that in your daily life - on any subject from breakfast cereal to politics - don't be shocked when people remain unconvinced.
wolf3957 wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
If you make arguments like that in your daily life - on any subject from breakfast cereal to politics - don't be shocked when people remain unconvinced.
Have you, any of you, ever played an EA sports game? If not, go do it.
wolf3957 wrote...
Have you, any of you, ever played an EA sports game? If not, go do it.
Upsettingshorts wrote...]
Correlation does not equal causation.
Modifié par vampsrock9988, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:54 .
Upsettingshorts wrote...
wolf3957 wrote...
Have you, any of you, ever played an EA sports game? If not, go do it.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Some EA sports games are good (FIFA 10-11 are great examples) some are bad (the recently canned NBA Elite 11). The argument is specious.
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