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Why are people complaining about DA2?


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CerealWar

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TJPags wrote...


5.  The companion inventories.  Seems like they have static armor and possibly static weapons.  Some people don't like that, either.  I'll add to this one questions about whether Hawke can change his/her armor, as well.  Some people like to change armor, so this bothers them.


From what i heard about Isabella on the podcast, we'll be able to choose which weapons she uses...BUUUUUT she'll be limited to daggers because she's a duelist/assassin/ninja (it's getting very hard to take these developers seriously when they keep throwing around words like spartan, ninja, and awesome all the time. The joke got old. It's like they think our IQ points took a hit since ME2's release).  This is a roundabout way of saying that certain weapons will be limited to certain characters like a JRPG... or Mass Effect 2.

It looks like the all archer parts will be out of the question in this next installment of the Dragon Age franchise. I really liked building my parties the way I wanted to. All of these equipment changes will probably go under "Blaagh Story is Important Blaagh" but I don't see how Isabella killing someone with a bow, dagger or claymore would impact the story in anyway. All I see is my rogue being unable to land a significant amount of crits on a boss like a broodmother because she can't get behind her. Let clever players play cleverly. Stop dumping limits on them. This is a singleplayer western rpg for God's sake, not World of Warcraft.

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ErichHartmann wrote...

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They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate change. 


To be more specific, people don't hate change just because it's CHANGE. DA2's look is drastically different from Origins, plus it's not out yet. So there's plenty of conflict for some people. Some of it is valid. Some of it is not (for instance, there are some that just hate Mass Effect 2 and consider anyone who likes it to have an inferior opinion and/or intelligence level). So to say "people hate change" without bringing context into the mix is kind of one-sided.

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Some may be complaining because certain features they enjoyed from Origins are seemingly either not present in DA2 or that it would seem based on many of the oh so wonderfully researched and written previews or the ever so insightful marketing that DA2 is taking a huge chunk out of ME2's playbook. Or how perhaps some enjoyed Origins best on PC, only to see that DA2 is seemingly being designed first and foremost for to play better on the consoles, while seeing and hearing nothing of how DA2 will be a better PC game than Origins.



And while some may enjoy ME2 for what it is, some may not necessarily want to play.....Dragon Effect 2



*downs shot*

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Brockololly wrote...
And while some may enjoy ME2 for what it is, some may not necessarily want to play.....Dragon Effect 2 


But I think we can both agree on Mass Dragons.

Or even Mass Dragon. 

I mean, that's either one epic dragon (that you hopefully ride), or a whole ton of them.

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After watching a video of some kid beating up homeless people... Just because they're homeless .I have come to the conclusion.That some people just love to hate.

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It could simply be that at least for me,.
I really love DA:O . If they had dropped a new story onto that same system. No question I would buy it. But they are changing it. Ok. I look at the changes and the things they took out and I see things I liked are now gone. I'm told there is a benefit but I don't see it that way. So far I don't see a change I like. It feels like things that I liked are taken away from changing my companions armor to gameplay length . So I am trying to be open to it. I am trying to find info on the changes and if I like that change it goes on the buy it side of the scale and if I don't like it I put it on the don't buy side. To be honest, the scale at this point weighs heavy to the don't buy side.
I actually play all kinds of games. Bioware is my favorite dev. It could be I just don't like the changes to this product.

Edit.  I have to add it       Da 2 looks like Dragon Effect. Just to make Brock take a shot.

Modifié par LiamN7, 08 décembre 2010 - 03:00 .


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I reckon most people are bored or impatient about the release of information so far.

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Simply put, they are whiners (most of them anyways). They can be divided into several types:



01. The fanboys (and girls) who can't get past Baldur's Gate 2 (and yes I do love that game) and seem to think every single rpg must be like BG2 with no differences whatsoever.



02. Those who think the entire Dragon Age universe revolves around their Origins Warden and their favorite Origins characters, as if Thedas (or Dragon Age universe in general) can't possibly have new characters. To these types their Origins Warden must be in everything (as if there aren't other heroes to create and enjoy!).



03. Those who think Dragon Age 2 has to be exactly like Origins, any changes, even slight ones, are "ruining" Dragon Age. Nothing should be new, innovative, heaven forbid even a slightly new direction takes place.



04. Those who think *every* *single* companion has to be a romance option.



The only ones I can honestly respect are:



05. Those who address their concerns and constructive criticism *without* whining. These types state their opinions maturely, are open to new options and characters, and generally give feedback that helps Bioware (and other developers) out. These are a minority, but they are there. : )

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I for one cannot wait til my da2 sig game comes in. i love dragon age, the lore is brilliant, the magic system rocks and ive enjoyed the 2 novels too. I also am looking forward to the primal spells having secondary effects such as ice slowing, lightning stunning, earth doing additional damage and whatever else it does that peter couldnt reveal......

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ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.

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Let's try to avoid characterizing anyone unhappy with DA2's direction as being simply afraid of change or whiners, shall we?

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Wicked 702

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Why do you always have to chime in after me and make me look like the a**h***?

...Oh wait. :pinched:

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Wicked 702 wrote...

Why do you always have to chime in after me and make me look like the a**h***?

...Oh wait. :pinched:


Because you are!!

BA-ZING!!

*dives out the nearest window* 

I forgot chickens dont fly, this is going to hurt.

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Come 'ere you!

Why I outta!

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Might be do to the development time, this was announced very quickly and details are sparse so I imagine that many are fearing a rush job, I personally believe that they had II in development for a while before the release and where counting on Origins being a sucess

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Wicked 702 wrote...

Why do you always have to chime in after me and make me look like the a**h***?

...Oh wait. :pinched:


I am eminently reasonable. It is a well-bulwarked position to take.

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Wicked 702 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.


... but all you did was say that all the changes are, ipso facto, bad. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed. 

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 08 décembre 2010 - 05:14 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.


... but all you did was say that people hate bad change, and imply that everyone that likes it likes bad change. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed.


The concept that it is bad change is the opinion. Therefore, I am not doing what you say in any way.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 08 décembre 2010 - 05:15 .


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Matchy Pointy

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Basicly, people likes complaining.

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Bryy_Miller

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Wicked 702 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.


... but all you did was say that people hate bad change, and imply that everyone that likes it likes bad change. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed.


The fact that it is bad change is the opinion. Therefore, I am not doing what you say in any way.


But then why even add 'bad' in the first place? The sentence made sense as is.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 08 décembre 2010 - 05:17 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.


... but all you did was say that all the changes are, ipso facto, bad. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed. 


Well this is the internet my good man.....You can't exactly read the tone of a voice, or the movement of a face. So don't you think that's a little to observant.

Edit: You can ignore this. I'm just talking **** :P

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

... but all you did was say that all the changes are, ipso facto, bad.

No, he said that people dislike these particular changes they consider to be bad. This does not equal saying that all changes are bad. Much like saying someone hates rotten apples doesn't equal saying all apples are rotten.

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Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They are complaining because they dislike the direction of the game.


Essentially this.  Some people hate bad change. 


Fixed.

That's why it's an opinion.


... but all you did was say that all the changes are, ipso facto, bad. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed. 


Well this is the internet my good man.....You can't exactly read the tone of a voice, or the movement of a face. So don't you think that's a little to observant.


You're right, we can't. So I thought it was observant enough. 

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

... but all you did was say that people hate bad change, and imply that everyone that likes it likes bad change. That's not an opinion, that's stating an opinion as if it is fact and calling it an opinion. Which is still valid as an opinion, but it's inherently flawed.


The fact that it is bad change is the opinion. Therefore, I am not doing what you say in any way.


But then why even add 'bad' in the first place? The sentence made sense as is.


"Some people hate change" does directly imply that said person is resistant to all forms of change, like some anti-change robot, rather than specific aspects changing that are of a personal distaste.

Bad change clarifies the point by specifying only the change that is viewed negatively.

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... because we are bad, bad people.

Or because we liked the first game and wanted more of what we liked. It's simple, really.

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