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[Pugnate]

Fine fine...



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[Perfect-Kenshin]

To the OP:



Because people CAN and because believe or not, not every change made to a game is a good one. There are a lot of changes which have been praised rather unanimously whereas other changes have simply taken some time to mentally adjust to. That said, stuff like not being allowed to change the companion outfits is simply going to be a change which is going to have mixed reactions even after we play the game. A lot of people didn't like that even after playing Mass Effect 2.

[AlanC9]

Pugnate wrote...
Actually it sold 1.6 million in the first quarter.

The 2 million were shipped, not sold. It is a common misconception.

Do Bio and EA make money on the units shipped, or units sold?

[Sharn01]

AlanC9 wrote...

Pugnate wrote...
Actually it sold 1.6 million in the first quarter.

The 2 million were shipped, not sold. It is a common misconception.

Do Bio and EA make money on the units shipped, or units sold?

That hardly matters to the discussion.  If you are using the numbers to make a comparison to sold vs sold, you cant subsitute shipped for one game and sold for another and declare I win.  You have to make comparisons equal, so shipped vs shipped and sold vs sold.

[Monica83]

The reason are clear when you puchased a game and you ear will be a sequel you expect to play the same game with a new story and some improvments... In this case bioware totally maked a different game for a different audience.. Much more action oriented with a comic design of moves and bad class system and dialogues choice... Dragon age 2 its very similiar to mass effect 2 now and if i wanted to play mass effect i play mass effect... The problems starts when you have already sold a game that offer some features and you make a sequel complete different for the first one....



If dragon age origin was like dragon age 2 at the beginning noone complains about it... This is the problem

[Pugnate]

Sharn01 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Pugnate wrote...
Actually it sold 1.6 million in the first quarter.

The 2 million were shipped, not sold. It is a common misconception.

Do Bio and EA make money on the units shipped, or units sold?

That hardly matters to the discussion.  If you are using the numbers to make a comparison to sold vs sold, you cant subsitute shipped for one game and sold for another and declare I win.  You have to make comparisons equal, so shipped vs shipped and sold vs sold.

Yea well put.

ME2 according to that conference call sold 1.6 million. It shipped 2 million according to Kotaku.

According to Kotaku, DA sold 2.9 million. According to IGN, it shipped 3.2 million. Both stats are for worldwide.

From what I understand, units are shipped based on what retailers project demand to be. 1.6 is still a good number, but it is surprising that ME2, a second installment in a franchise, sold less than DA.

Plus, it seems that ME2 had higher production values, so I am assuming cost was higher.

[TheCreeper]

Monica83 wrote...

The reason are clear when you puchased a game and you ear will be a sequel you expect to play the same game with a new story and some improvments... In this case bioware totally maked a different game for a different audience.. Much more action oriented with a comic design of moves and bad class system and dialogues choice... Dragon age 2 its very similiar to mass effect 2 now and if i wanted to play mass effect i play mass effect... The problems starts when you have already sold a game that offer some features and you make a sequel complete different for the first one....

If dragon age origin was like dragon age 2 at the beginning noone complains about it... This is the problem

I would, the graphics were outdated and the combat felt uninspired. Sequels shouldn't just be the same but more and slightly tweaked. 
 
Also how is the class System bad, we know  little about it?

You know this forum would be a lot better if people didn't get so use so much hyperbole about Dragon age 2 and scream at every little change as RUINED FOREVER.... Of course if we did that we would have about 5 posts per day for the entrie forum.

[Morrigans God son]

Because it has changed so much. Dragon Effect.

[upsettingshorts]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Because it has changed so much. Dragon Effect.

*downs shot*

[Blastback]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Because it has changed so much. Dragon Effect.

*downs shot*

Dragon Age 2 forum drinking game?  Cool.

[Monica83]

We know enought about class system devs give us many information about that.. I personal don't watch much the graphic i see many games with awesomes graphic texture but with complete lack of details but i can't say nothing about graphic detail right now.. i can only say dragon age 2 have nice texture.. we must be if the world feels an empty minimalistic one or a detailed one... Im not aganist changes but the change they did for dragon age 2 most of them are huge stepback since the only thing i like its the human character design for now... and maybe the spell mage effect.. but the rest.. looks like a mediocre game..total different from the first one.. i loved origins im one of the people that wanted the animation changed... But not in this way.....they are just horrible and not improved they are too much fast and skip frames... and the horrid teleport effect its stupid and silly... Also i dislike elves.. now they seems like navi whitout tail and with pale skin...

[Pugnate]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Because it has changed so much. Dragon Effect.

*downs shot*

You might want to log off soon if you've got work/school tomorrow.

[Archereon]

JohnEpler wrote...

Let's not reiterate the tired 'console versus PC' argument for the eight hundred and seventy third time.

Ironically Mr. Epler, Bioware seems to believe in the Console gamers are actiony casual newbs while PC gamers are elitist hardcore pricks argument just as much as any of us here.  But since Bioware is a business, and there's more console gamers than PC gamers, its obvious what happens: you push a button, and awesome s**t happens, then the enemy explodes into some absurd gore that looks as its right out of the grimdark era.

Darkier and Edgier != Dark.  Generally, it =hilariously pumped up, steroid munchie big damn action heros who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything, who also chews bubblegum and kicks arse, while being all out of gum...

You know what I mean...It's for 14 year olds, and immature ones at that, despite being rated M for 16+.

Not that DA2 is this, but the combat, as I see it, is definantely going for that look, which will annoy me to no end when the game comes out.

Modifié par Archereon, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[iamnar]

first, there is nothing wrong with game players having issue with changes in a game. especially if it's a franchise or a company that you have supported and purchased products from for years. secondly, i like the differences between DA:O and ME...thats one of the reasons i purchased BOTH games...the depth of the game play is one of the best parts of both games. it was the perfect mix of action, rpg, shooter, fantasy, sci-fi...both games absolutely blew my mind...doing away with follower class and armor customization makes no sense to me. personally, i felt as an equal to all my companions...because they were almost as customized as my pc...i felt more connected, because we grew along the same path as equals. maybe it's just me, but i felt i could mold my companions anyway i saw fit...different players games would be totally different...not just the look of the pc, but the followers also...i thought it was cool having that level of customization on the console. bioware's excuse for for excluding these options is one of the the most pathetic i've ever seen..."wanting followers to stand out"...DA2 sounds more and more like a reskinned ME2...i'm sure the story will be amazing...but that isn't enough to me anymore for me to buy both games...as of right now i'm not buying DA2...i'm cool on bioware games until ME3 comes out...hopefully it isn't dynasty warriors in space...since thats the direction bioware is headed...

Modifié par iamnar, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Wicked 702]

Other people in this thread have already explained the issues better than I ever could. For me, the main interest I have in this type of RPG is choice. More choice (and don't bother with your limited resource argument, it's only a half-truth) is ALWAYS better in my opinion. It's WHY I play these games. Remove the choice and you remove one of my top motivations for even bothering to try.


Choice good.

...Also beer.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[TJPags]

MortalEngines wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Why are people complaining?  I think it's obvious:

 Also, what do you mean no character creator? You mean the in-game one you got in Origins or the one you could download seperately? Also it's been stated that on PC you can still zoom in and out, move the camera horizantally and vertically quite a bit.

<snip> because otherwise this will be REALLY long, and I don't want that

Yes, there are arguments to explain every complaint that people have.  There are counterarguments to those, and counter-counteraguments, and then of course there's the old resort to "hater!!" or "fanboy!!!"

The OP asked why people were complaining, not whether those complaints were justified or valid or whatever.  So all I did was give the OP a list of some of the things that people were complaining about, and why.  I tried to be fair, and complete - at least to the major ones.  I also gave it about 3 minutes of thought - if that - and came up with, what, 7 reasons that people have complained?

As for what I mean by character creator - beats the hell out of me.  I never played the game on the PC, but from the way I hear people talk, I get the impression there was some other character creation program they had access to on the PC.  Maybe it was part of the toolset, maybe it was a mod, I don't know.  What I do know is people have been complaining that they won't have it any more.  <shrug>

[namedforthemoon]

People tend to complain about things they haven't tried yet. It's like when I was 11 and my grandma asked me if I liked cabbage rolls. Hearing the word "cabbage" I immediately said no. To which she responded, "Have you actually ever ate one before?" And I said no. "How do you know you don't like it, if you've never had it?" I had no argument for that. So of course, I ate one. It was delicious. One of my favorites to this day.

Oh, right. How does this pertain to the topic? Dragon Age 2 is still being mixed up, with the spices and flavor being added in and such. No one has played the finished product yet. No one has truly tried it, yet. It's still baking.

Modifié par namedforthemoon, 09 décembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[upsettingshorts]

To be fair, plenty of the complaints are in fact over things people have "tasted" before. They just don't want this new sauce on their favorite meal.

Me? I love the sauce.

Others want a sauce toggle. Or leave it on the side.

Then there's Sylvius, who denies it is even food.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 décembre 2010 - 01:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Except for the fact that alot of the things implemented have already been experienced by some of the complainers.It may not be the exact same thing but if you hate cabbage you hate it, someone placing a special seasoning on it and calling it something else isn't going to change the fact that you don't like cabbage.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 décembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[namedforthemoon]

True. but it's cabbage cooked in a completely different way with different ingredients, making the texture and taste so much different than what I was used to. So the complete entree is different altogether. And when people taste it for the first time, they might say, "hey, this works really well together! I like it!"

[TJPags]

namedforthemoon wrote...

People tend to complain about things they haven't tried yet. It's like when I was 11 and my grandma asked me if I liked cabbage rolls. Hearing the word "cabbage" I immediately said no. To which she responded, "Have you actually ever ate one before?" And I said no. "How do you know you don't like it, if you've never had it?" I had no argument for that. So of course, I ate one. It was delicious. One of my favorites to this day.

Oh, right. How does this pertain to the topic? Dragon Age 2 is still being mixed up, with the spices and flavor being added in and such. No one has played the finished product yet. No one has truly tried it, yet. It's still baking.

Sure, there's a lot of merit in what you say.

So, to put it in your terms, we want to taste it ourselves.  Or at least hear HOW the ingredients are going to be mixed.  Because some of us don't like cabbage . . .or some of the other ingredients.  And we'd like to taste it first before we order the entree.

[Ryzaki]

namedforthemoon wrote...

True. but it's cabbage cooked in a completely different way with different ingredients, making the texture and taste so much different than what I was used to. So the complete entree is different altogether. And when people taste it for the first time, they might say, "hey, this works really well together! I like it!"

No actually it really isn't.

It's cabbage with some extra seasoning and made to look different. Not only that but it's a very similar cabbage to another we tasted and didn't like.

And if you don't like the base of something. There's a very slim chance of you liking it just because someone placed sugar on it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 décembre 2010 - 01:40 .

[addiction21]

Wicked 702 wrote...


Choice good.

...Also beer.

Lets see if I can make this work.

If the choices come down to Budweiser, bud light, Coors, Coors light, Miller, and Miller light. Then no thanks they are all essentially the same in my book.

If that choice comes down to Sam Adams, Guiness, Flat Tire, Pale Moon then please all go ahead. Please by all means go ahead with that.

I prefer the second group. There are a few lesser choices but each choice is substantionlly different from the others. And my brain hurts now.

Damn thinking. Why cant we get some streamlining and simplifying in that area?  /bad horrible joke

[namedforthemoon]

Ryzaki wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

True. but it's cabbage cooked in a completely different way with different ingredients, making the texture and taste so much different than what I was used to. So the complete entree is different altogether. And when people taste it for the first time, they might say, "hey, this works really well together! I like it!"

No actually it really isn't.

It's cabbage with some extra seasoning and made to look different. Not only that but it's a very similar cabbage to another we tasted and didn't like.

And if you don't like the base of something. There's a very slim chance of you liking it just because someone placed sugar on it.

Suit yourself. But only a crazy person would put sugar on cabbage. Especially cabbage rolls. Just sayin'. 

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

To be fair, plenty of the complaints are in fact over things people have "tasted" before. They just don't want this new sauce on their favorite meal.

Me? I love the sauce.

Others want a sauce toggle. Or leave it on the side.

Then there's Sylvius, who denies it is even food.

I have indigestion from reading your post.