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Should Mass Effect 3 be a Multiplayer game?


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Matchy Pointy wrote...

A seperate action campagin (and I know for me, action is only one part of what I want in a ME game, atleast when it's in the main series and not a spinoff, though this is personal opinion, although I think not only me). And I would hate to have to play some multiplayer campaign to get story for the game (and making one solo and one multiplayer campaign is pretty resource intensive).


It doesn't have to be just action.  BioWare Austin is perfecting a multiplayer conversation system that could be borrowed/adopted.  If its not Shepard that we're playing as, what difference does it make if we share these conversations with other players?  If its a co-op game, its likely that it will be level divided for ease of "playing with your friends" no matter where they are in the game, so replaying sections will be likely, so conversations will not be some sort of "permanent" thing and you wouldn't be ruining your story.

What if they made the multiplayer campaign scale so it was playable solo or with an AI squad?  

Resources shouldn't be a concern for BioWare.  This isn't a game that they'd like to skimp on.  They know that this will be the biggest game to ever come out of their Edmonton studio.  Might as well go all out.  If BioWare Austin got over $300 million to make TOR, I'd imagine that EA wouldn't even bat an eye if BioWare Edmonton needed to hire 10 extra staff to finish a multiplayer campaign.  


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Yes Baseless proclamations are unwanted. So lets give it some base then.
1) ME is a story about a Single hero shaping events around them that would overwhelm a lesser person. If you had two such people together they would fight for dominace and in the end it would harm both abilities to function.
2) They could go with the Fable 2 hireling concept but that is really boring for the second player as you are a   faceless grunt a no one dancing in the shadow of greatness begging for someone to notice. 
3) And assuming you are someone important then who would you be one of the many people shepard collects. then you still have the same problem of being a backround charecter for everything but fighting.
4) If you think that you could come up with a way for some sort of multiple shepard like charecter to play at the same time then I am all ears, but I will say that much like Alexander the great's empire after his death I think the game would fall a part.


1) Make a separate parallel storyline NOT involving Shepard.  
2) Same answer.
3) None of the above as you're not playing as Shepard or his squad.
4) Adding a DLC or expansion or third disk with a co-op based campaign using the ME3 engine and systems based on the Alliance Resistance fighting on Earth while Shepard is out recruiting the other races would make the game fall apart?  If you really believe that, then you're just whining for the sake of complaining.  

Modifié par Omega-202, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:53 .


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Omega-202 wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

A seperate action campagin (and I know for me, action is only one part of what I want in a ME game, atleast when it's in the main series and not a spinoff, though this is personal opinion, although I think not only me). And I would hate to have to play some multiplayer campaign to get story for the game (and making one solo and one multiplayer campaign is pretty resource intensive).


It doesn't have to be just action.  BioWare Austin is perfecting a multiplayer conversation system that could be borrowed/adopted.  If its not Shepard that we're playing as, what difference does it make if we share these conversations with other players?  If its a co-op game, its likely that it will be level divided for ease of "playing with your friends" no matter where they are in the game, so replaying sections will be likely, so conversations will not be some sort of "permanent" thing and you wouldn't be ruining your story.

What if they made the multiplayer campaign scale so it was playable solo or with an AI squad?  

Resources shouldn't be a concern for BioWare.  This isn't a game that they'd like to skimp on.  They know that this will be the biggest game to ever come out of their Edmonton studio.  Might as well go all out.  If BioWare Austin got over $300 million to make TOR, I'd imagine that EA wouldn't even bat an eye if BioWare Edmonton needed to hire 10 extra staff to finish a multiplayer campaign.   


It would still be two fully different games put into one package, so i dont see the real point in it. Two games with different conversations systems, probably different rules (since a lot of teh skilsl in ME & ME" isnt suitable for multiplayer, and I would hat to lose their uniqueness for the sake of having to balance them for multiplayer), and a lot, lot more resources put into it, and I wouldnt want to have to play as someone else then Shepard in a trilogy that from the start was said to be all about Shepard's story (this again is a personal opinion of mine, and I admit to that).

That being said, would I love a spin-off game feuturing what you just described? I sure would.

Modifié par Matchy Pointy, 12 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .


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SithLordExarKun wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

This vote says it all:

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1139820p1.html

Over 80% say no.

Don't like it don't play it. Simple.

You just proved how uninformed you are with that kind of unoriginal mentality.

Look, I'm not going to argue no matter what you say. I and a lot of fellow posters have explained the reason for not wanting MP at significant length in this very thread. All you need to do is look back through the pages. I'm not going to repeat myself or what others have said, just like I'm not going to respond to anything you say after this post.

Thanks.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 12 décembre 2010 - 07:08 .


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I do not want ME 3 to be multiplayer.  It doesn't really fit.  Come back to it later and make a different game.  I don't even want co-op.  It might be cool, but I'd rather they finish strong doing an exceptional job with the trilogy's ending for this single player game. 

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DEFINITELY NOT!

The whole point of ME is being an individual and having your choices count because your in it ALONE.

It would be extremely odd to include multiplayer in the third part of a triology when the first two, which were great, did not have them. It would make the series feel disjointed and not congruent in my opinion.

BOTTOM LINE:
DO NOT FIX IT IF IT IS NOT BROKEN!

Can't wait for this game!

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@ FieryPhoenix7, love the profile pic. That was done extremely quickly.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

You just proved how uninformed you are with that kind of unoriginal mentality.

A smart mentaility that any intelligent human being has. Really, if something bothers you that much why keep thinking about it and replay it? Don't like a certain movie, game etc etc? Don't friggin bother with it then.

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Look, I'm not going to argue no matter what you say. I and a lot of fellow posters have explained the reason for not wanting MP at significant length in this very thread. All you need to do is look back through the pages. I'm not going to repeat myself or what others have said, just like I'm not going to respond to anything you say after this post.

Thanks.

Yes and your reasons make absolutely zero sense and i too has explained why.

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Single-player or co-op for the campaign (I'd love to be able to control Liara, Tali, or Garrus while a buddy does Shepard), and a multiplayer component where you can play any alien you want (i.e., asari are biotic warriors, turians are soldiers, quarians and geth are tech-oriented, elcor are walking missile platforms!).

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CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Single-player or co-op for the campaign (I'd love to be able to control Liara, Tali, or Garrus while a buddy does Shepard), and a multiplayer component where you can play any alien you want (i.e., asari are biotic warriors, turians are soldiers, quarians and geth are tech-oriented, elcor are walking missile platforms!).


I'm just curious how you want the conversations to work while playing co-op? Does the guy I'm playing with wait around patiently while I explore what the bartender at Illium have to say for half an hour? Does they make decisions on the game, so it's no longer just Shepard's story?

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Matchy Pointy wrote...

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Single-player or co-op for the campaign (I'd love to be able to control Liara, Tali, or Garrus while a buddy does Shepard), and a multiplayer component where you can play any alien you want (i.e., asari are biotic warriors, turians are soldiers, quarians and geth are tech-oriented, elcor are walking missile platforms!).


I'm just curious how you want the conversations to work while playing co-op? Does the guy I'm playing with wait around patiently while I explore what the bartender at Illium have to say for half an hour? Does they make decisions on the game, so it's no longer just Shepard's story?


You know, I hadn't thought about that.  You're right; since this is Shepard's story, co-op might dilute that, and the complexity of the dialogue options could make my idea untenable.  Perhaps the 1st-player (the one who plays Shepard) makes all the decisions, while 2nd player is along for the ride.  Hopefully he/she is as interested in what the bartender has to say as you are! ;)  I'd say that there could be a special dialogue system for co-op, where both players can get words in edgewise, but while that'd be an amazing feature, it'd be almost untenable given the number of possible Shepard-squadmate combos.  Thanks for bringing me back to reality there. 

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CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Single-player or co-op for the campaign (I'd love to be able to control Liara, Tali, or Garrus while a buddy does Shepard), and a multiplayer component where you can play any alien you want (i.e., asari are biotic warriors, turians are soldiers, quarians and geth are tech-oriented, elcor are walking missile platforms!).


I'm just curious how you want the conversations to work while playing co-op? Does the guy I'm playing with wait around patiently while I explore what the bartender at Illium have to say for half an hour? Does they make decisions on the game, so it's no longer just Shepard's story?


You know, I hadn't thought about that.  You're right; since this is Shepard's story, co-op might dilute that, and the complexity of the dialogue options could make my idea untenable.  Perhaps the 1st-player (the one who plays Shepard) makes all the decisions, while 2nd player is along for the ride.  Hopefully he/she is as interested in what the bartender has to say as you are! ;)  I'd say that there could be a special dialogue system for co-op, where both players can get words in edgewise, but while that'd be an amazing feature, it'd be almost untenable given the number of possible Shepard-squadmate combos.  Thanks for bringing me back to reality there. 


My pleasure :) As I've said before, I would love to see this type of play in a spin-off to the main series though, I love co-op in games.

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might be a bit OT



But Dice and Bioware should team up and put the Mako in BF3

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ME3 could work well if done in the style of Fable 3. The story did not suffer at all by incorporating multi-player. I understand the automatic negative reaction to MP - I used to be that way, too - but after seeing it done well, I don't have a problem with it.

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I like ME and ME2 because I can take a story idea in my head and play it out in an awesome game. I like stories & characters, and just relaxing by myself. I don't care about being on top of the leaderboards, Kill/Death ratios, or how many prestiges I reach and who I got them faster than. CoD takes no imagination IMO. All it is is point & shoot. For some people thats fine, for me its not. I don't get why companies and people in general can't believe that more than one type of gamer can exist at once. (The CoD junkies I live w/say ME is boring because you play the same story every time...between 360 & PC ive beaten ME2 15x and counting. ME 360, 11x...never felt the same)

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I fully support a co-op xperience that follows the single player story but allows a 2nd player to play as a team member i.e. Garrus or Jack.



I think that'd be fun.

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BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

I fully support a co-op xperience that follows the single player story but allows a 2nd player to play as a team member i.e. Garrus or Jack.

I think that'd be fun.


As I said before though, how to you solve teh conversation, the other player just hanging around doing nothing while I chat up that bartender for half an hour? (Sorry for always using the saem example, but I think it gets my point through pretty good though).

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Omega-202 wrote...

YOU thought that a lot of the RPG facets that they removed were good things.  The majority didn't seem to care.  

You're confusing objective measures of quality with your subjective feelings between different options.  But its not like you're going to stop being that this is the 100th thread you've dragged this tired argument into already.  


Sorta like the people on this board are the only ones who seem to think that Multiplayer is a bad idea, then. I mean, hey, if EA says that Multiplayer is the future, then it must be because a majority said so too, right? Just like it was this same deciding majority that thought removing the RPG features was a great idea.

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Definitly not. Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be a RPG, it's only singleplayer. Creating a multiplayer will only take away resources that can be better spent on the Singleplayer. It's just unecessary, multiplayer doesn't fit well in regards to RPGs.

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say HELL NO, then leave this thread for good.



Have fun.

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Gleym wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

YOU thought that a lot of the RPG facets that they removed were good things.  The majority didn't seem to care.  

You're confusing objective measures of quality with your subjective feelings between different options.  But its not like you're going to stop being that this is the 100th thread you've dragged this tired argument into already.  


Sorta like the people on this board are the only ones who seem to think that Multiplayer is a bad idea, then. I mean, hey, if EA says that Multiplayer is the future, then it must be because a majority said so too, right? Just like it was this same deciding majority that thought removing the RPG features was a great idea.


Despite your sarcasm, that's correct.  

Official game forums are the worst place to get a general idea of what the actual consumer wants.  They are inherently biased polling places and the views of those on any official forum is always heavily skewed towards the "hardcore".  

Its like putting up a polling place about people's views on family values in the parking lot of a Walmart in the middle of rural Texas with a giant poster of Glenn Beck next to the booth.  Your results are going to be skewed by who comes to take the poll.  

The TRUE majority is something that BioWare and EA can get a better view of through other means.  And if that majority says "add multiplayer" and "ME2's RPG facets were better than ME1's" then that's what's best for the game.  

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Omega-202 wrote...

Despite your sarcasm, that's correct.  

Official game forums are the worst place to get a general idea of what the actual consumer wants.  They are inherently biased polling places and the views of those on any official forum is always heavily skewed towards the "hardcore".  

Its like putting up a polling place about people's views on family values in the parking lot of a Walmart in the middle of rural Texas with a giant poster of Glenn Beck next to the booth.  Your results are going to be skewed by who comes to take the poll.  

The TRUE majority is something that BioWare and EA can get a better view of through other means.  And if that majority says "add multiplayer" and "ME2's RPG facets were better than ME1's" then that's what's best for the game.  


Except that the 'true majority' DOESN'T think "ME2's RPG facets were better than ME1's". The 'TRUE majority', as you put it, think that ME1 had better RPG facets than ME2. The only majority that believes ME2 was a better RPG than ME1 is the one on this forum.

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Omega-202 wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

YOU thought that a lot of the RPG facets that they removed were good things.  The majority didn't seem to care.  

You're confusing objective measures of quality with your subjective feelings between different options.  But its not like you're going to stop being that this is the 100th thread you've dragged this tired argument into already.  


Sorta like the people on this board are the only ones who seem to think that Multiplayer is a bad idea, then. I mean, hey, if EA says that Multiplayer is the future, then it must be because a majority said so too, right? Just like it was this same deciding majority that thought removing the RPG features was a great idea.


Despite your sarcasm, that's correct.  

Official game forums are the worst place to get a general idea of what the actual consumer wants.  They are inherently biased polling places and the views of those on any official forum is always heavily skewed towards the "hardcore".  

Its like putting up a polling place about people's views on family values in the parking lot of a Walmart in the middle of rural Texas with a giant poster of Glenn Beck next to the booth.  Your results are going to be skewed by who comes to take the poll.  

The TRUE majority is something that BioWare and EA can get a better view of through other means.  And if that majority says "add multiplayer" and "ME2's RPG facets were better than ME1's" then that's what's best for the game.  


A poll from a non-Bioware sponsored site

The opinion of "professional" videogame reviewers regarding ME3 multiplayer

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 12 décembre 2010 - 07:29 .


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If they put an mp mode, they should make it as splinter cell saga: a coop campaing that complements the main story, in this case, 2 soldiers fighting in earth

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-Skorpious- wrote...
A poll from a non-Bioware sponsored site

The opinion of "professional" videogame reviewers regarding ME3 multiplayer


A)  If you look on other gaming sites that link to that poll, you'd see there was huge confusion as to which option was "yes" and which was "no".  Heck, my roommate is vehemently against multiplayer and he made sure to tell me "Go vote.  I voted 'cross my fingers' that there's no multiplayer".  

B)  That review oozed of fear of an MMO style multiplayer.  Where have choices effected gear in Mass Effect?  Who said anything about "hundreds of thousands" of players playing at the same time?  Nobody is suggesting that.  That entire subsection is a strawman. 

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Omega-202 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
A poll from a non-Bioware sponsored site

The opinion of "professional" videogame reviewers regarding ME3 multiplayer


A)  If you look on other gaming sites that link to that poll, you'd see there was huge confusion as to which option was "yes" and which was "no".  Heck, my roommate is vehemently against multiplayer and he made sure to tell me "Go vote.  I voted 'cross my fingers' that there's no multiplayer".  

B)  That review oozed of fear of an MMO style multiplayer.  Where have choices effected gear in Mass Effect?  Who said anything about "hundreds of thousands" of players playing at the same time?  Nobody is suggesting that.  That entire subsection is a strawman. 



A) Despite initial confusion someusers may have, I'm pretty sure that if 4/5 of the voters do not want multiplayer then chances are that the majority knew the difference between fingers crossed and one finger in the air. Hell, my ten year old brother even knows how to tell them apart.

B) Even if it alludes to a fear of MMO style multiplayer, it is still a fear of multiplayer. Afterall, I don't see MP in Ign's list of "what we want" so chances are it is not high on their list of must haves for ME3.

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