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[saphera55]

 I can honestly admit I did not enjoy BGII, as much as I wanted to. For some reason, I like Icewind Dale II more, I'm not sure what it is, but BG does not appeal to me. Its not the combat or anything, I don't know. I could never get passed where I need all that gold.

[Red Viking]

I didn't like that part either, to be honest.  The sandbox nature of the second chapter really unfocused you from the main plot.

Modifié par Red Viking, 26 octobre 2009 - 07:49 .

[saphera55]

Like, the game itself, I respect it and its story, it just wasn't fun. I don't really enjoy DND games much, still can't drag myself through NWN2.

[Jorithel Ravencrest]

NWN2 (although I've played it several times) wasn't really a good game. Obsidian murdered what NWN1 created. Please for the love of all things holy Bioware...DO NOT GIVE OBSIDIAN RIGHTS TO DA:O 2

[Red Viking]

saphera55 wrote...

Like, the game itself, I respect it and its story, it just wasn't fun. I don't really enjoy DND games much, still can't drag myself through NWN2.

I don't think you have to worry what other people feel when you say you didn't like BG2, Saphera.  To each his own and all.

Modifié par Red Viking, 26 octobre 2009 - 07:59 .

[Enuhal]

Why does everybody who doesn't like BG2 has to post it here ? Is it cool to dislike the game, now?

[Red Viking]

Magnum Opus wrote...

Red Viking wrote...

I don't think you have to worry what other people feel when you say you didn't like BG2, Saphera.  To each his own and all.

Have you seen some of the threads floating around here recently, Red?

Dear Lord, Saphera, run!  Run like the wind! 

(Have been looking for an excuse to use that particular smilie is all... don't mind me. )

Heh, np, Magnum Opus.

Yes, I've seen the threads that have been popping up lately, which is why I said what I did.  Liking BG2 isn't a requirement to post on these forums, after all.

[saphera55]

I have been following this game for some time, in response to Enuhal, I only wanted to state that even though this game is the spiritual successor, I am still pumped for it. The dungeons and dragons stuff just doesn't translate well for me to video games.

[Ponce de Leon]

saphera55 wrote...

I have been following this game for some time, in response to Enuhal, I only wanted to state that even though this game is the spiritual successor, I am still pumped for it. The dungeons and dragons stuff just doesn't translate well for me to video games.

But Icewind Dale 2 IS DnD! Ah well, anyone has opinions.
But perhaps it might help not thinking about the rules than just playing. Like me, I hate DnD, I don't like it in any way, but I love Baldur's Gate.

[saphera55]

I don't know what happened with Icewind Dale 2 to be honest.

Like, I don't think I really knew it was a DnD game as my friend just tossed me his copy and I was like, "okay..."

[AngeloBurton]

What in the name of the maker is going on here?! Heretics! All of them!!

Must... wash out my eyes. I shall venture forth into the woods and start gather firewood immediately. In the meantime the priests shall prepare the stakes!

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

Enuhal wrote...

Why does everybody who doesn't like BG2 has to post it here ? Is it cool to dislike the game, now?

*shrug* Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences. Personally, I tried BG1 after several years of NWN, and found that as much as I had been told how great a game it was, I simply could not get into the setting. Multiple-member party control was tough (but I'm usually more of a roleplayer than a tactician and strategist, so I'm to blame), graphics were a little hard to get used to, and I found the open-ended nature of the first few hours rather jarring (since I like structured RPGs which have prompts or some sort of focus so that you don't spend your days wandering forever across the countryside). I quit midway and am content to stick with NWN1, NWN2 (as flawed as it may be) and their descendants. That does not make BG1 a bad game, but it does prove that one man's treasure may well be another man's trash.

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 26 octobre 2009 - 09:25 .

[BomimoDK]

saphera55 wrote...

I don't know what happened with Icewind Dale 2 to be honest.

not to be arrogant or anything, but it may be the rules. it used 3rd ed. DnD wich was dumbed down(read: simplified) to the level of kindergarden.
i am unable to get into any 3rd+ ed games, anything after ToB is just, meh... maybe it's the fact that your character can be a fighter/mage/druid/bard/barbarian/sorcerer/goat/bluewhale...  just plain old max 3 multiclass  with simultanious xp progression or dualclassing at 7 or 13 is more my taste.
and the point distrbution doesn't allow good rolls anymore... i felt betrayed by the fact that mostly 17 and 18 roll couldn't be aquired with a lot of patience anymore.
not to mention that anything after IWD2 lost any kind of tactical gameplay that made me feel awesome when playing... there's nothing quite like bringing down Firkraag at level 7-10 with the right tactic.
or being able to get through some tough battles nearly untouched because you used deep tactics rather than 6 fighters hack away.
not to mention ToB battles on epic scales, 30 min+ battles (which was a great turnoff for many) really got me in a great mood.

but i thing i represent an extreme few.

sorry about grammar/spelling errors.
if you find any traces of rudeness in my typing rest assured it was just my bad grammar that made it sound wrong,

[soteria]

The limit for multiclassing in 3rd ed is actually just 4 classes. I do prefer the multi/dualclass system in 2nd ed, though. The spells and the combat rules were pretty awful though... 3rd edition rules for that are a lot easier to understand. I don't consider "hard to understand" a virtue, on its own.

[BomimoDK]

soteria wrote...

The limit for multiclassing in 3rd ed is actually just 4 classes. I do prefer the multi/dualclass system in 2nd ed, though. The spells and the combat rules were pretty awful though... 3rd edition rules for that are a lot easier to understand. I don't consider "hard to understand" a virtue, on its own.

hard to understand is not a great achievement in my eyes either, but it so happened i had an easier time understanding 2nd ed. than 3rd ed. may be attributed to all the major changes. but it was not the rules alone that kept me from NWN series (i did actually beat the first) it was the lack of a multicharacter tactical aproach. having fighters beat up whatever targeted your mage and having an agressive mage casting dammage and another protective that removed buffs from large enemies. and so forth. i missed that alot.

[Enuhal]

*shrug* Opinions are opinions, preferences are preferences. Personally, I tried BG1 after several years of NWN, and found that as much as I had been told how great a game it was, I simply could not get into the setting. Multiple-member party control was tough (but I'm usually more of a roleplayer than a tactician and strategist, so I'm to blame), graphics were a little hard to get used to, and I found the open-ended nature of the first few hours rather jarring (since I like structured RPGs which have prompts or some sort of focus so that you don't spend your days wandering forever across the countryside). I quit midway and am content to stick with NWN1, NWN2 (as flawed as it may be) and their descendants. That does not make BG1 a bad game, but it does prove that one man's treasure may well be another man's trash.

Point taken. This reminds me of how I never could get into the NWN setting and gameplay myself.



Just wondering a little, considering a few months ago a lot of people in the forums were looking forward to Dragon Age mainly because of the "spiritual successor" title. On this site, however, there have been a lost of "I don't like Baldurs Gate" posts, recently.



Hopefully, both player types will be able to enjoy Dragon Age.

[Stagmar]

I don't really care one way or another whether other people liked BG. All I care about is that I liked it and that's how it should be for everyone.

[felix4200]

Personally i like the freedom of Baldur's gate (II) at least untill you got the gold together, and it got really linear. Also many of the fight featured named mobs, or meaningful fights. No, or at least little in the way of grinding was required.



The character interaction between the NPC's was better than in many of the RPG's that have come since. I found it so cool to have the mage hunter and the dark elf priest in the same group for instance, since they would constantly nag at each other. (it could even get to the point where the NPCs would fight to the death).



Icewind dale didn't have any of these things, and neither did NWN 1. NWN 1 had so many similar fights, that i can't make it past the prison in chapter one (2000 alike prisoners all spread out in 3's and 4's argh).



While many games since BG have done some things better, none i've played at least have gotten all the things better.

NWN 2 for instance might have better graphics, better char design, better story, but its still very linear. The 4 man groups are less interesting than BG, the lack of need for a healer (since noone ever dies) makes the tactics and the groupings less interesting to me (since i'd just use the most powerful chars, and neglect all the others) and the character interaction suffers as a result. NWN 2 have a better Rep/alignment system, but it is horribly excecuted.



The witcher has a better story, but little in the way of gameplay or tactics. Oblivion have a more open enviroment, but got no interaction with any characters at all. And so on.

[Panderfringe]

Heretic! BURN HIS LIVER!

[danabe]

Both the games was awesome in my eyes.

[Achromatis]

Ive never played any Baldurs Gate, cept a bit of Icewind Dale, and I absolutely hate NWN. NWN2 was ok, I still couldnt get though the whole game though.

[fairandbalancedfan]

saphera55 wrote...

 I can honestly admit I did not enjoy BGII, as much as I wanted to. For some reason, I like Icewind Dale II more, I'm not sure what it is, but BG does not appeal to me. Its not the combat or anything, I don't know. I could never get passed where I need all that gold.

Don't worry about it. I thought BG2 was a good game, but not as great as everyone claims it to be imo. I think it's 'eveythingis better back in the good old days' brigade that inflates the true worth of the game. After finishing the game once, I never finished it again.

[BomimoDK]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

saphera55 wrote...

 I can honestly admit I did not enjoy BGII, as much as I wanted to. For some reason, I like Icewind Dale II more, I'm not sure what it is, but BG does not appeal to me. Its not the combat or anything, I don't know. I could never get passed where I need all that gold.

Don't worry about it. I thought BG2 was a good game, but not as great as everyone claims it to be imo. I think it's 'eveythingis better back in the good old days' brigade that inflates the true worth of the game. After finishing the game once, I never finished it again.

i don't think it's the "back when i was young, boy!. back then games were much better" i believe it's the overall quality and content of the game. if you mod the games together with BGT. you've got a 3-4 week game split in 3 acts with 7 chapters each. not that that's anything special in itself. but when you take all the NPC and encounter interaction into consideration, along with the fantastic backstory you can unearth from many of the quests, specifically werewolf island, durlag's tower, eye of the unseing cult and watchers keep. each of these have3-6 hours of story and puzzles and very tactical combat. then you've got a really big game to rival most nowaday RPG's.

each game have their strong and wrong points, correct. but you've got to agree with me that if Bioware returns to their roots, then their roots gotta have something the rest of their games either didn't have or only had part of.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 27 octobre 2009 - 08:02 .

[Ponce de Leon]

Stagmar wrote...

I don't really care one way or another whether other people liked BG. All I care about is that I liked it and that's how it should be for everyone.

Permission to say "Amen" :D:D