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[-Skorpious-]

I will be sad if Bioware uses an unknown soldier to promote the announcement of ME3 instead of Shepard. I mean, is this random MP place-holder more important than the hero of the trilogy?

Bah, its a rumor anyway. Until Saturday comes around, I will continue to view this as a spin-off of the ME series.

[Omega-202]

catabuca wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

edit: Babli ninja'd me... and I agree, if it shortens the single player experience, that would suck TREMENDOUSLY... MP should be an after thought.

But if its done as an afterthought, it would be terrible.  

If they insist on including multiplayer, I'd prefer to make the best of it and hope that they put time and effort into both aspects of the game.  Why hurt their reputation by releasing a half finished game with a crappy tacked on multiplayer?  

And in terms of "getting less single player", thats just not the way BioWare does things.  They're obviously not opposed to selling multi-disk games for the XBox, so why not just go 3 disks for ME3?  2 for the single player campaign, and a separate disk for the multiplayer.  No problem on space, and at this point, with the boom in staff, I don't see them being undermanned for such a task.  

Problem with that is you end up with 2 games-worth of work and development going into one box. That means 2 games for the price of one. Great for the player, not so great for BW's profits. While it's certainly true that the ME3 main story should not be skimped and should be as long and rich as previous installments, if they want to do MP in an equally rich way as you suggest then it looks like being 2 games, 2 releases.

Now, AC:Brotherhood has produced an innovative and rich MP environment, along with a main story campaign, but that main story wasn't as featureful as AC2 (although I will say it exceeded my expectations, and those of a lot of other people too). They did a really good job of trying to do both things, and it looks like they'll be including MP in AC3 when it finally comes around, but they've developed the basics now, all they have to do is alter it, add/take away/modify here and there - they've made the first big leap from no-MP to yes-MP, so the next game including it wouldn't be as big an undertaking. Therefore they can re-focus on producing an epic ending to the AC trilogy (that is if they don't decide to expand it and not end the story there).

The same as held for AC:B would presumably hold for ME3. If MP was introduced in that game it's a completely new undertaking, and will be resource heavy. It makes it less likely that it would mean an extremely polished and long and rich example of both types of gameplay, and one would have to take somewhat of a backseat to the other. This might not necessarily be the same case had they previously developed MP in ME2, for example, as the infrastructure would already be there.

^^ all my conjecture, I have no idea.

The entire point is the increased box sales and FUTURE profits vs the increased production cost.  

If they can sell 5 million single player ME3's but can sell 8 million single/multiplayer ME3's, that extra production cost just became additional profit.  They'd need to crunch the numbers from market analysis.  

But beyond just the initial box sales, the main money maker today is DLC.  If they add multiplayer, they can charge $10 for map packs, new game modes, theater function accessories, etc.  It adds up.  Add that on top of the $2.50 for new single player weapons, $10 for single mission packs and the like.  

That's a lot of extra income opportunity.  AND its an investment for the far future.  Any future Mass Effect product will have built in advertisement because you now have a LARGER built-in fanbase.  Future ME projects will be more profitable by expanding the market with ME3.  

And in terms of quality or length: neither would take a backseat.  BioWare has 2 major studios ready to work on this game.  Edmonton can continue working on the ME single player and the new Montreal office can work the multiplayer.  They didn't get the new Montreal office for nothing.  They plan on using it for something.  No personnel who worked on the first two games would be diverted to the multiplayer.  

[greatgeek]

The women seems to be wearing a science/medical outfit.

[Shotokanguy]

Well, with it looking more and more possible that ME3 will have multiplayer, I'm surprised to find I'm suddenly interested in the idea.



I'll pray to the heavens that the single player mode surpasses anything I've ever played, but at the same time, I see nothing wrong with the idea of a multiplayer mode. I'm sure BioWare can create something good.

[Omega-202]

LiamN7 wrote...

No MP for ME3. Save it for another game.

You'd rather pay $120 for two separate ME games?  I'd personally prefer them in one package.  

Modifié par Omega-202, 09 décembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[YAHG]

IF they do make a multiplayer mode, i pray to the goddess that it doesn't turn out to be just like every other shooter(gears,cod,rdr). if so, i most certainly will not be playing it.

[SmokePants]

The whole point of making a multiplayer mode would be to roll it into the main games, not to spin it off. They are doing it to try to attract more of an audience and keep that audience playing for longer. They aren't doing it just to put the ME brand on anything and everything.

[-Skorpious-]

I dislike the idea. I would rather Bioware leave MP out of ME3 and instead give us a game with mechanics similar to Deus Ex in the form of a ME spin-off. That way Bioware can finish ME3 without any distractions, while providing a MP game that "flows" more with the concept of MP.

The current mechanics of ME2 would not make for a fun MP experience without going through a major overhaul (in my opinion at least).

[Telemachus78]

I am done trying to guess plus the more clues come out the more I am dreading the announcement on saturday.

[Gibb_Shepard]

PLEASE DON"T BE ME3!! I never thought i'd ever say that, but ME3 with multiplayer is a massive turn off to me. The singleplayer can only suffer from this.

[Omega-202]

LiamN7 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

No MP for ME3. Save it for another game.

You'd rather pay $120 for two separate ME games?  I'd personally prefer them in one package.  

No. I just simple will not buy MP no matter who makes it. So I prefer that bioware keep it away from my Single player games.

And if it in no way harms the single player game, like we've been discussing, why are you opposed to it?
If its developed by a completely separate BioWare studio and written onto a separate "Multiplayer Disk 3", what is your problem?

Would it not make more sense for BioWare to include it and make more money off of the franchise as a whole, therefore increasing the likelihood and quality of future chapters for ME games?  

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

PLEASE DON"T BE ME3!! I never thought i'd ever say that, but ME3 with multiplayer is a massive turn off to me. The singleplayer can only suffer from this.

THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!  Why do people keep insisting this?  The single player can remain exactly as is.  BioWare is not some backwoods podunk studio.  They have the man power and funding to develop a solid multiplayer game at one of their other studios and package it in with ME3.  Its not like they're racing against time to release this game and its not like they don't have the financial backing to make it happen.  

Why is it that nobody on this forum has any kind of concept of objectivism and any inkling of financial acumen.  Is everyone really so blinded that they can't see EA/BioWare's financial mindset?  

Modifié par Omega-202, 09 décembre 2010 - 11:46 .

[halogod1986]

Klimy wrote...

Yeah "hardcore fans" are RPG fans, no multiplayer or FPS will make "hardcore fan" jump. Unless it's a jump of rage 

Unless you're a hardcore fan of MDK 

[shinobi602]

People are forgetting the multiplayer would be done by a different team...Montreal studio would take care of that.



Single player will not suffer.

[charmingcharlie]

[quote]Omega-202 wrote...

And if it in no way harms the single player game, like we've been discussing, why are you opposed to it?
If its developed by a completely separate BioWare studio and written onto a separate "Multiplayer Disk 3", what is your problem? [/quote]

Whether it harms SP or not (and I believe it will) I have no interest in MP so I won't pay for something I have no intention of ever using or playing.  One of the key things that made me buy Mass Effect 1 and 2 was the concentrated effort they made on making a fantastic single player experience.  That experience will be compromised by including multiplayer.

I keep seeing people talking fairy tales here about "using 3 discs" the cost of a 3 disc game on the xbox 360 is extortionate.  I believe MS charges royalties of around $5 - $7 PER DISC it is one of the reasons ID have cut chunks out of their new game RAGE so it will fit on 2 discs and avoid the 3rd disc royalty problem.

[quote]Omega-202 wrote... Would it not make more sense for BioWare to include it and make more money off of the franchise as a whole, therefore increasing the likelihood and quality of future chapters for ME games?[/quote]

The kind of people that will be attracted to ME multiplayer are the kind of people that do not like ME as a single player experience.  If you attract more of those people to this franchise then the franchise will go in a direction I am not interested in.  Therefore over time you will see a weaker and weaker sp campaign because they will want to concentrate on the MP which they see as being the selling point of the game.

Now till it has been confirmed Bioware are adding multiplayer to ME 3 I am not about to go on a rampage about it.  If they add MP to ME 3 then good luck to them I won't bother getting the game.  I am old fashioned I don't buy stuff I have no intention of ever using.

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Modifié par charmingcharlie, 10 décembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Kane-Corr]

I say keep it out of Mass Effect 3....it would take too much time to create and would most likely detract from the game....they would probably have to fit it on another disc....which means money loss for them....plus it being touted as an RPG= no COD MW2 fanbase...which means it's multiplayer in camoflage.



They're better off doing it in another spin-off

[Gundar3]

I just sorta thought of this, could the red haring barcode be synonymous for the Reapers? As in, the Reapers are just a Red Harring threat (the view of the Council)?

[Kenthen]

The US source that leaked the image to
CVG told us: "I won't spoil it for everyone by telling you what the game
is. But it's going to have a lot of hardcore BioWare fans jumping out
of their seats."

Baldur's Gate 3?
No?
Fiddlesticks.

[MisterDyslexo]

halogod1986 wrote...

Klimy wrote...

Yeah "hardcore fans" are RPG fans, no multiplayer or FPS will make "hardcore fan" jump. Unless it's a jump of rage 

Unless you're a hardcore fan of MDK 

This is the announcement for MDK3. I bet that dude is Kurt (The Janitor), and he got brought into the ME universe by the illusive man to help fight off the reaper invasion on earth (since, you know, he's kinda good at that kind of thing).

[-Skorpious-]

Omega-202 wrote...

*snip*

The answer is simple. ME2 had enough SP content included on the disk that Bioware was forced to include 2 disks - adding MP would be enough to push the limit to 3 (which, as a previous poster pointed out, would cost BW some money).

Secondly, some of us (like myself) would rather see a spin-off MP game with loads of additional content, customization, and a unique SP experience; tacking MP onto ME3 will hinder both games, not just ME3.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 10 décembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Omega-202]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I keep seeing people talking fairy tales here about "using 3 discs" the cost of a 3 disc game on the xbox 360 is extortionate.  I believe MS charges royalties of around $5 - $7 PER DISC it is one of the reasons ID have cut chunks out of their new game RAGE so it will fit on 2 discs and avoid the 3rd disc royalty problem.

You're going to have to provide a source for that because the figure I had read was $2.50 per disk.  
I'll also need to hear where you heard about RAGE needing content cuts because that game is over 9 MONTHS away from release.  To even think that they're close to the point of "package planning" is hilarious.  

[charmingcharlie]

Omega-202 wrote...
You're going to have to provide a source for that because the figure I had read was $2.50 per disk.  
I'll also need to hear where you heard about RAGE needing content cuts because that game is over 9 MONTHS away from release.  To even think that they're close to the point of "package planning" is hilarious.  

You could've just googled it but I will save you the time :-

www.joystiq.com/2008/08/01/carmack-rage-to-look-worse-on-360-if-limited-to-two-dvds/

Tim Willits ........................

the game was supposed to feature several wastelands for the player to explore. Because of the limitations of the
Xbox 360's media, they had to cut down the wastelands to only two, which are themselves split into multiple instances. These changes have been made across all versions of Rage, not just the 360 port.

http://www.1up.com/n...xbox-360-limits

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 10 décembre 2010 - 12:10 .

[Omega-202]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Secondly, some of us (like myself) would rather see a spin-off MP game with loads of additional content, customization, and a unique SP experience; tacking MP onto ME3 will hinder both games, not just ME3.

Yes, that's what you'd like, but is that what BioWare would like?

If they do some market testing and find that the feedback for such a game is lukewarm, especially in a market DOMINATED by other companies already, why would they go ahead and release a multiplayer heavy game when they've never had any experience doing so in the past?  They have no guarantee it would sell well.

In addition, they'd need to put in all of the effort for advertising this other game, they'd need to do the press tour, they'd need to shell out money for some sort of cinematic trailer, AND if they did have a single player campaign on this multiplayer focused game, they'd either A) Be developing it with staff not from their main Edmonton office (ME headquarters) or They'd be pulling staff off of ME3 to work on this other game, harming ME3's single player.  

It makes no sense for them to want to do that.