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#326
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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...

ME 3 aka ME CoD , thy finally done it

Why else in gods name, would you add MP in the LAST part of the trilogy, tere are plenety of other enhancements the game could use

Or make an fps in ME universe and get rid of the itch

It's called Electronic Farts. It's what they do.


Don't forget about -EA:"Challenge everything" Image IPB I remember some1 on EA forum asked :"what does that"Challenge everything" means? You want to challenge other games to prove yours sucks worse?" Image IPB

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Oh one more last thing:

PWN to the "deeper RPG elements" crowd

enjoy the new Catch the Flag or Deathmach with your Shep.

If that aint a  Headshot !.... 

Modifié par Kolos2, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:21 .


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I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer.




Nobody is "screwing up" anything. Multiplayer designers don't work on Singleplayer and vice versa, they hire new staff to do that. Bioware posted such an advertisement quite some time ago, for someone with multiplayer design experience.



It won't take anything away from SP. EA has more than enough cash to fund the extra staff, and Bioware has always, and will continue, to go the extra mile with regards to production value in single player. Fears of "taking things away from single player" are totally unwarranted. Many of the best games of all time have been Single AND Multiplayer.

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adam_grif wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer.

. Many of the best games of all time have been Single AND Multiplayer.


and how many are rpgs ?


Diablo ?..ta taa daaa

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adam_grif wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer.


Nobody is "screwing up" anything. Multiplayer designers don't work on Singleplayer and vice versa, they hire new staff to do that. Bioware posted such an advertisement quite some time ago, for someone with multiplayer design experience.

It won't take anything away from SP. EA has more than enough cash to fund the extra staff, and Bioware has always, and will continue, to go the extra mile with regards to production value in single player. Fears of "taking things away from single player" are totally unwarranted. Many of the best games of all time have been Single AND Multiplayer.

I'm praying to God you're right, Adam. One can always hope.

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We have to see what kind of MP will be. There were rumors that Multiplayer Co-Op was planned even for ME2 and that it was cut out at the real last minute. I won't see that as a big problem. But in chase of an Unreal Tournament like-mp then I'd share the perplexity... surely, keeping SP and MP done by separated teams is a lucky idea... so the possibility that some cool things for the SP will be cut in function of MP are at least reduced.

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Guys,let's just wait for official announcement,ok? Multiplayer for ME3 is NOT confirmed at this moment and it's the only fact we 've got for now.So...Why so serious?




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Kolos2 wrote...
Why else in gods name, would you add MP in the LAST part of the trilogy, tere are plenety of other enhancements the game could use 


Easy! You drink cocktails on Hawaii for two years, then realize that your deadline is upon you and there is only one level done. So you patch a multiplayer while on a plane back to the office so that your boss will not kill you... oh wait what were we talking about?

People, if we will not get back to original topic discussing the clues then this thread will be locked. If you so much want to talk about multiplayer then open a new thread.

What is strange is that Mass Effect does not have children and Bioware didn't want to add them. If I may put my crazy hat on then I would say following: Bioware did all they could for ME3, then had some time left and started to add children and alien female NPC!:wizard:

Modifié par Klimy, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:40 .


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Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

Guys,let's just wait for official announcement,ok? Multiplayer for ME3 is NOT confirmed at this moment and it's the only fact we 've got for now.So...Why so serious?

Notice something there? :P

In any event, I agree. Let's just wait and see. I think they mentioned they'd announce more than game, like two games, or not? We'll see anyway. Less than 48 hours to go.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:41 .


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Klimy wrote...
What is strange is that Mass Effect does not have children and Bioware didn't want to add them. If I may put my crazy hat on then I would say following: Bioware did all they could for ME3, then had some time left and started to add children and female NPC!:wizard:


Well...at least ,Shepard talks about marriage and blue children with Liara in "shadow broker" DLC(if Liara is your LI) Image IPB

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

Guys,let's just wait for official announcement,ok? Multiplayer for ME3 is NOT confirmed at this moment and it's the only fact we 've got for now.So...Why so serious?

Notice something there? Image IPB
 

 
Sure,it's not confirmed and it's a fact...Right? Image IPB  So we should just wait.

Modifié par Tetragnatha_Sp, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:48 .


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My take on the whole MP thing, copied from the other thread:

[quote]FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer. An epic space opera that is bordering on the end of its trilogy's story should be as original and story-focused as possible. The slightest mistake would mess up the whole thing; multiplayer is the perfect troublemaker in this situation. It just CAN'T work. Look at other games; look at BioShock 2, look at AC: Brotherhood, etc. It cannot work.

The worst part is, why does Mass Effect have to be cursed with multiplayer? BioWare has a lot of ongoing projects on the way. Adding multiplayer to one of their most successful franchises would be shooting themselves in the foot. If Mass Effect must get multiplayer, then why not just wait until ME3 has been released and then make a spin-off with all kinds of multiplayer in it? Why does it have to be in the final, most critical part of an entirely story-focused trilogy? It makes less than no sense. It's like wanting to make Dragon Age a multiplayer game.

EDIT: I wanted to add that, since BioWare are practically not a multiplayer-experienced developer, making ME3 a multiplayer game would mean EXPERIMENTING on the game. I don't care what anyone says, but multiplayer for ME3 would mean a first-time experiment. An experiment to the final chapter of an epic trilogy. I'm sure you all realize just how much trouble and irony that entails, and I'm sure you all realize that's exactly where spin-offs should come into play.[/quote][/quote]

I could not have said it better myself. Bioware is attempting to compete with two of the largest juggernauts in the gaming industry, in a field they know absolutely nothing about. If this were a separate spin-off title, then by all means. Should they wish to gamble the odds, the more power to them. Evidently, such is not the present scenario. If these rumors holster merit, it is as you state, experimentation on a trilogy. Whilst I am usually an optimist, the realism within cannot shake the what I perceive as a colossal mistake.

[quote]adam_grif wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer.



Nobody is "screwing up" anything. Multiplayer designers don't work on Singleplayer and vice versa, they hire new staff to do that. Bioware posted such an advertisement quite some time ago, for someone with multiplayer design experience.

It won't take anything away from SP. EA has more than enough cash to fund the extra staff, and Bioware has always, and will continue, to go the extra mile with regards to production value in single player. Fears of "taking things away from single player" are totally unwarranted. Many of the best games of all time have been Single AND Multiplayer.[/quote]

A disc only has so much available space and we run into qualms with potential multi-disc issues that inevitably will by a design hindrance. I suppose this would depend on whether or not MP was of the online variety. Furthermore, what RPG has included a multiplayer component in the past decade? It is not as simple as merely tacking on a new gameplay, it is an entirely new mechanic, and a massive one at that. If this happens, something will suffer. That is a foregone conclusion.

In any event, all we have to go on for a positive note is Christina Norman claiming ME3 will be richer in RPG elements. I suppose tomorrow is the day we put our nerves to rest or mourn/complain like never before.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:24 .


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Please God dont release ME3 with multiplayer. I enjoy online multiplayer shooters but I dont play Mass Effect RPGS for multiplayer. Im actually feeling sick in my stomach at the thoughts of this.( yes it bothers me that much!) This is the only thing that would be a game breaker for me with any thing Mass Effect or Bioware rpg for that matter.( Never imagined I would utter those words)



Im just going to chew a few valium and wait out the next few hours.

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What specific time are the VGA's supposed to air and where can i watch it? If it does stream online.

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What specific time are the VGA's supposed to air and where can i watch it? If it does stream online.

It will start at 8:00 PM Eastern Time tomorrow. As to where we can watch it, I have no idea, but I'm sure someone will come up with a link eventually.

EDIT: Apparently the live steam will be on Spike TV's website, which doesn't seem to work for people outside the US.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:53 .


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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What specific time are the VGA's supposed to air and where can i watch it? If it does stream online.

It will start at 8:00 PM Eastern Time tomorrow. As to where we can watch it, I have no idea, but I'm sure someone will come up with a link eventually.

EDIT: Apparently the live steam will be on Spike TV's website, which doesn't seem to work for people outside the US.


Awesome thanks, fits my time zone well.

EDIT: Damn, guess i'lll just have to watch the highlights on youtube or something.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:56 .


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1/2 hour after the presentation in the show, the trailer will be online on the Tube. And something like 10 minutes later we'll all have seen it.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:57 .


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well, I can only hope, as ive said all along, that when biowear say multiplayer, they will be targeting the underdeveloped team vs npc multiplayer. We have had few games that have really managed to make awesom co-op. gears of war co-op was incredible fun, but totally lacked depth, ME Co-Op with the RPG depth would own too much.



Why would EA direct bioware to enter the FPS/TPS competative multiplayer market, when they have DICE already doing the hard fight with the Battlefield Series vs the Call of Duty franchise. EA has decided to take on Blizzard-Activision accross all genres, they are creating a MMO (bioware) to try and dislodge WoW (good luck, as the main reason WoW still stands tall, isnt the game, but the social ties that have been made there). So considering EA have the competative multiplayer box firmly ticked with the DICE Battlefield games, why would they send another one of their studios into that realm? Especially one thats already tasked with the ultimate defeat WoW mission lol, i feel sorry for bioware if they are made to, its ALLOT to ask from them

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If it's really separate teams they just created for that, then it's a lot to ask but also a lot of people to work with. It's not good for companies to grow too fast because the identity gets lost, but there you go.



I'm not sure if EA wants to attack CoD-MP just because they add MP function to an established SP-franchise. I see it more as another reason for people to buy the game, whether they later actually play the MP part or not. Many SP games have a MP function attached just for the sake of it without hoping to create singularities in the MP-universe.

But yeah, all those games are quicker forgotten than you can say "boon!". I remember the pretty awesome SplinterCell MP-parts. I took about two months for the servers to die out (with the exception of a couple of die-hard fans that probably still play it right now). The same goes for tons of other games.

In light of this side of MP-gaming i really hope it's true that this feature will not reduce the SP experience in any way.

IF this is what the announcement will be all about... ;)

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I was kinda open to ideas like multiplayer in expansion pack/dlc but after hearing you guys I don't even want these...

The only I can see ME MP is co-op, but I'd rather (is that the right word? english sux) them to put all their resources into the SP experience.

but all the new clues hint to team deathmatch sort of multi.
guess Mass of Duty is around the corner after all.

EDIT: this: http://xbox360.ign.c.../1139585p1.html isn't good at all.
usually IGN only post rumors when they are confident about their credibility, I think. I hope I'm wrong.

Modifié par Pepper4, 10 décembre 2010 - 12:03 .


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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer. An epic space opera that is bordering on the end of its trilogy's story should be as original and story-focused as possible. The slightest mistake would mess up the whole thing; multiplayer is the perfect troublemaker in this situation. It just CAN'T work. Look at other games; look at BioShock 2, look at AC: Brotherhood, etc. It cannot work.

And who stated that ME3 will be a multiplayer game or have multiplayer in it? You should wait for an official announcement before ****ting in your pants. 

And who ever said that multiplayer is the sole reason that will ruin the game? What about Counter-strike? Call of duty 2? Call of duty 4 modern warfare? Modern warfare 2? World at war? Black ops? The entire battlefield franchise? Half life? Halo?

Multiplayer can work if done right . Infinity wards very first COD was already a hit when it came out. If they aren't messing with ME3 with multiplayer then i don't see the problem, i don't understand why people like you wet their pants when someone ever mentiones multiplayer in a spin off game that likely has no relation to the flagship ME series as it has been stated several times that the ME trilogy revolves around shepard. A spin-off will have little relation to the main plot.

Just because you don't like a certain genre doesn't mean the developers shouldn't make it, you think you're views and opinions are so great go get a job at bioware and then boss them around.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just don't understand the need to screw up Mass Effect with multiplayer. An epic space opera that is bordering on the end of its trilogy's story should be as original and story-focused as possible. The slightest mistake would mess up the whole thing; multiplayer is the perfect troublemaker in this situation. It just CAN'T work. Look at other games; look at BioShock 2, look at AC: Brotherhood, etc. It cannot work.

And who stated that ME3 will be a multiplayer game or have multiplayer in it? You should wait for an official announcement before ****ting in your pants. 

And who ever said that multiplayer is the sole reason that will ruin the game? What about Counter-strike? Call of duty 2? Call of duty 4 modern warfare? Modern warfare 2? World at war? Black ops? The entire battlefield franchise? Half life? Halo?

Multiplayer can work if done right . Infinity wards very first COD was already a hit when it came out. If they aren't messing with ME3 with multiplayer then i don't see the problem, i don't understand why people like you wet their pants when someone ever mentiones multiplayer in a spin off game that likely has no relation to the flagship ME series as it has been stated several times that the ME trilogy revolves around shepard. A spin-off will have little relation to the main plot.

Just because you don't like a certain genre doesn't mean the developers shouldn't make it, you think you're views and opinions are so great go get a job at bioware and then boss them around.





*Bioware Montreal is working on multiplayer
*Bioware Montreal is working on Mass Effect
*some ass from EA claimed a few days ago that single player is dead.
*this http://xbox360.ign.c.../1139585p1.html and many other sources

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A disc only has so much available space and we run into qualms with potential multi-disc issues that inevitably will by a design hindrance.


ME2 did not come close to using both discs, multiplayer components are relatively small (no dialogue, cutscenes, uses recycled locations from single player etc), and if worst comes to worst it can be offered as an optional DLC for people with Cerberus Network cards.

Modifié par adam_grif, 10 décembre 2010 - 12:06 .


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While I like the occasional multiplayer in a game like Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, nobody is going to put away their precious CoD or Halo for it. And that is probably the target group, as there is where the money is.



If there's a multiplayer portion in Mass Effect 3, or a spinoff, sure it will be played sometime but it will get quite empty quickly. That is why imho it's useless to add such a portion to a game.

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Has anyone seen this yet? New info http://xbox360.ign.c.../1139585p1.html

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Legion 2.5 wrote...

Has anyone seen this yet? New info http://xbox360.ign.c.../1139585p1.html


..EA, of course! *shakes fist*