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[Omega-202]

 I'm absolutely in pain right now knowing that some "fans" still don't seem to understand that the "First Contact War" was not a war.  What is wrong with the fanbase when that's the first thing that they keep spouting for any future endeavor in the Mass Effect series?  

Honestly, I can't see BioWare putting together a prequel game.  You'd be missing some very key "Mass Effect" features if its set in the Pre-Contact period. 

-  No biotics being that the Shanghai incident happened only a few years before contact.
-  No omni-tool tech as we know it in the games.  Human tech got revolutionized after contact.  
-  No medi-gel.
-  No aliens of any kind.

So what would set this apart from any other shooter besides the story?

If it is a prequel, it would have to be set at most 5-8 years before ME1.  Any further back and you lose adult human biotics as they'd all still be teenagers.  

I'm still not entirely convinced that this is a Mass Effect game and it may just be shameless recycling of character models and designs.  

[Da_Lion_Man]

Bioware can always retcon.

[Shotokanguy]

Yeah, it's kind of funny the phrase "First Contact War" is used as much as it is. It wouldn't be an interesting movie, and this game can't possibly be it.



Why would a human be aiming his sniper rifle at other humans?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Shotokanguy wrote...
Why would a human be aiming his sniper rifle at other humans?

It's possible he's just using the sniper scope as a telescope of sorts to view what's going on around him.

Which is just a general statement, not an argument for what the game may or may not be.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Googlesaurus]

hooahguy wrote...

I did, I still stand by what I said. You didnt say anything.

Right back at ya. 

hooahguy wrote...

The color palette for ME3 might be charcoal-grey or something to signify the destruction. The color in ME2 was orange-brown to signify the grittiness. In ME1 it was blue-white to signify... actually Im not sure what it signifies. 

Perfection. Harmony. I think Ashley lampshades it when you bring her to the Citadel.

Again, it appears like they've bleached out their entire palette from that one screenshot. More evidence may pop up to prove me wrong. 

EatChildren wrote...

People need to remember that BioWare's CGI trailers are, quite often, a lot darker and grittier in colour palette compared to the real game. Mass Effect 2's cinematic trailer, for example.

Yes, after playing the game you spot the similarities between the locals, but its still a lot more subdued. The firefight at the end that resembles Horizon had far sharper greens and yellows in the actual game, and Purgatory wasn't quite as drab as it looks here.

I still see an emphasis on orange, red, brown, black. Ilium is still blue, Tuchanka still looks a wasteland. The colors are still there, no matter the exact degree of their relation to each other.

Regardless, I'm making an observation. 

EatChildren wrote...

Its easy to look at this short snippit of CGI and say "Hey, thats not Mass Effect", but outside of the Incisor Rifle we havent even seen any Mass Effect related assets. The teaser was specifically cut to show as little as possible, and to not completely give away the game.

Of course what we're seeing doesn't quite look like Mass Effect. If they had soldiers in glowing sci-fi armor and biotics throwing people around they couldn't show it in a teaser without fans picking up on it straight away.

Googlesaurus wrote...

It seems a lot more likely that it's Mass Effect-related, but the entire atmosphere seems perfect for SS and flat-out wrong for ME.

 

And of course Shattered Steel didn't have human snipers. 

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Omega-202]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Bioware can always retcon.

Then why did they even bother to establish all of that backstory?  If they were going to retcon all of that away, why did they include the SAME codex entries in ME2 to reinforce these facts?  

By the time that ME2 was being developed, this game would have had to be in the planning stages and they could have just gone ahead and prepped for this by changing the entries.  BioWare is known for keeping continuity.  They live and die by their stories.  If they can't keep them straight, then what good is their story telling?

[Busomjack]

Omega-202 wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Bioware can always retcon.

Then why did they even bother to establish all of that backstory?  If they were going to retcon all of that away, why did they include the SAME codex entries in ME2 to reinforce these facts?  

By the time that ME2 was being developed, this game would have had to be in the planning stages and they could have just gone ahead and prepped for this by changing the entries.  BioWare is known for keeping continuity.  They live and die by their stories.  If they can't keep them straight, then what good is their story telling?

Because it's all EA's fault!  WAAAAHHHH!!

[Pepper4]

The color indeed might be an important clue, a ME2 expansion will probably still be orange, while ME3's color will be different.

[EatChildren]

Googlesaurus wrote...

I still see an emphasis on orange, red, brown, black. Ilium is still blue, Tuchanka still looks a wasteland. The colors are still there, no matter the exact degree of their relation to each other.

Regardless, I'm making an observation.

Sure, and we know those colours are emphasised because we've played the game and we know how the colour schemes correllate. Fact of the matter is the colour tones are more subdued in the CGI trailer than they are in the actual game.

Nobody can rightfully make the declaration that this teaser cannot be Mass Effect due to the chosen colour tones. Its an absurd claim backed on no evidence, but instead assumption. "It cant be Mass Effect because I dont think Mass Effect would use those tones" is what it boils down to, and in the long run that means squat all.

Maybe it is Mass Effect, maybe its something else entirely. The point is nobody can make a call of what its supposed to be based on the colour tones alone.

[Busomjack]

Anyone ever consider that maybe Mass Effect 3 will use a different graphic's engine and that's why it's art and color palatte seem different?

[Fiery Phoenix]

While I do understand this is a CGI trailer, I share Googlesaurus' concern that something is off about the atmosphere. It's just not Mass Effect as we know it, despite the Incisor, the scope crosschairs and all that.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

EatChildren wrote...
Nobody can rightfully make the declaration that this teaser cannot be Mass Effect due to the chosen colour tones. Its an absurd claim backed on no evidence, but instead assumption.

The fact that the color scheme is different is evidence. So the claim can be made.

If people who think it is Mass Effect are allowed to use the Incisor as evidence then the opposition can use the color scheme and tone.
Because if you want to get technical about what we know and what is shown, that is not an Incisor in his hand. A lot of the body is similar, but it's missing pieces and is a completely different color.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Shinannigan]

Not sure, but I think Bioware said they wanted to use the same Engine (anything else would make importing your old Shepard verrry difficult).

I also heard that ME3 issupposed to be coded for the present X-box generation, which puts a limit on both the graphics engine and the development time.

[Busomjack]

Shinannigan wrote...

Not sure, but I think Bioware said they wanted to use the same Engine (anything else would make importing your old Shepard verrry difficult).
I also heard that ME3 issupposed to be coded for the present X-box generation, which puts a limit on both the graphics engine and the development time.

That's a good point.  In any case, being that this is obviously a CG trailer and not in game footage there would be no effort saved in making the main character hold an incisor rifle, they'd still have to redraw and animate it from scratch so I really think there is a very strong possibility this is either Mass Effect 3 or a Mass Effect spin off.
However, I will agree with an earlier poster here that this is unlikely to be a "first contact war" prequel.  The first contact war was a relatively small skirmish where only a few hundred people died, it wasn't really a war.  It doesn't reflect the setting we see in the trailer which looks more like a city was struck by a mass accelerator weapon or nuclear bomb.

[EatChildren]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

If people who think it is Mass Effect are allowed to use the Incisor as evidence then the opposition can use the color scheme and tone.

Evidence of what? Evidence that "its not Mass Effect"? That is not evidence. It doesnt suggest, in the slightest, that it is not Mass Effect. As I've already stated, BioWare's CGI uses subdued colour tones compared to the source games. You could take a number of frame grabs from ME2's Cinematic Trailer and pass them off as something much more gritty than the final game actually was (again, Horizon fight is a good example).

So what, exactly, is it evidence of? Nothing. Its not evidence for Mass Effect. Its not evidence against Mass Effect. Its not evidence for anything. Its colour grading and colour tones for one particular scene of a very limited teaser we've seen.

Nobody can rightfully claim otherwise. Its speculation out of thin air.

Because if you want to get technical about what we know and what is shown, that is not an Incisor in his hand. A lot of the body is similar, but it's missing pieces and is a completely different color.

And everybody calling it the Incisor has pointed out that yes, it has a different colour, and yes, a small chunk of the front is missing. Doesnt change the fact that outside of these two changes the model is otherwise exactly the same.

As myself and others have said, if this is not the Incisor it is a very slightly altered though re-used art asset from Mass Effect. That is what it is.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

EatChildren wrote...
And everybody calling it the Incisor has pointed out that yes, it has a different colour, and yes, a small chunk of the front is missing. Doesnt change the fact that outside of these two changes the model is otherwise exactly the same.

As myself and others have said, if this is not the Incisor it is a very slightly altered though re-used art asset from Mass Effect. That is what it is.

By your logic that is still not evidence enough.

If you can say that's evidence of it being Mass Effect because it looks like the Incisor despite its clear and obvious differences from an actual, established ME Incisor then the opposition can say that the fact that all the colors are different from established ME is evidence of it not being Mass Effect.

Take your pick; either the color scheme is evidence or the Incisor is not evidence.

But I imagine the argument about color scheme and tone goes beyond just colors. There is nothing in the trailer that points directly at Mass Effect.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Googlesaurus]

EatChildren wrote...

Sure, and we know those colours are emphasised because we've played the game and we know how the colour schemes correllate. Fact of the matter is the colour tones are more subdued in the CGI trailer than they are in the actual game.

Nobody can rightfully make the declaration that this teaser cannot be Mass Effect due to the chosen colour tones. Its an absurd claim backed on no evidence, but instead assumption. "It cant be Mass Effect because I dont think Mass Effect would use those tones" is what it boils down to, and in the long run that means squat all.

Maybe it is Mass Effect, maybe its something else entirely. The point is nobody can make a call of what its supposed to be based on the colour tones alone.

Posting it twice because it's just as nice. 

Googlesaurus wrote...

It seems a lot more likely that it's Mass Effect-related, but the entire atmosphere seems perfect for SS and flat-out wrong for ME.

In short, stop blowing hot air because I never claimed it to be a trailer for ME or SS.

[darknoon5]

I'm pretty sure it's been said before, but the hexagons on the guys armour and the fact he's using an incisor make it seem possible he's working for cerberus...plus I don't see why it can't be after ME2. Did you see Lady Liberty's head? And ever wonder why Earth isn't seen in the games or books?

[EatChildren]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

By your logic that is still not evidence enough.

If you can say that's evidence of it being Mass Effect because it looks like the Incisor despite its clear and obvious differences from an actual, established ME Incisor then the opposition can say that the fact that all the colors are different from established ME is evidence of it not being Mass Effect.

Take your pick; either the color scheme is evidence or the Incisor is not evidence.

But I imagine the argument about color scheme and tone goes beyond just colors. There is nothing in the trailer that points directly at Mass Effect.

There is significant more reason to be drawn to what is the reused art asset of the Incisor Rifle than the colour palette. That is the point. The Incisor Rifle is not evidence that this is Mass Effect, and I've never claimed it to be. What I've claimed is that it is the Incisor Rifle art asset with changes, which it is.

And you're right, there is little to nothing else in the trailer to indicate Mass Effect. But again, I have made no claims that there is. I've never said "HUR DURP THIS IS MASS EFFECT FO SHO", even though I believe more evidence weighs towards Mass Effect than any other existing BioWare intellectual property.

The Incisor Rifle is noteworthy, because it is that art asset (yes, with alterations). That is why people discuss it. The colours tones are not, as they dont give away anything at all, neither for nor against Mass Effect.

Googlesaurus wrote...

In short, stop blowing hot air because I never claimed it to be a trailer for ME or SS.

I never claimed you were. Take your own advice.

Modifié par EatChildren, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:05 .

[Babli]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

While I do understand this is a CGI trailer, I share Googlesaurus' concern that something is off about the atmosphere. It's just not Mass Effect as we know it, despite the Incisor, the scope crosschairs and all that.

Feros. It looked very similar.

[Omega-202]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
There is nothing in the trailer that points directly at Mass Effect.

^^ This ^^

Its not as if we saw someone glow blue or swipe an omni-tool.  All we have is rubble, a couple of humans and a kind of generic "fictional" looking rifle and set of armor.  

No aliens, no geth, not even a single spaceship.  You could have placed these screenshots in 100 different sci-fi, "spacemarine" franchises and it would have fit right at home.  Which either says a lot about the editing of these segments as to not spoil the surprise or it sadly speaks volumes for the eventual game being a generic lump of crap.  

[Omega-202]

Babli wrote...

Feros. It looked very similar.

Can you show me a screenshot of Feros with an ornate wrought iron fence?  

[Mystranna Kelteel]

EatChildren wrote...
The Incisor Rifle is noteworthy, because it is that art asset (yes, with alterations). That is why people discuss it. The colours tones are not, as they dont give away anything at all, neither for nor against Mass Effect.

I would disagree.  More specifically with the "Incisor" itself.

The fact that it looks much like the Incisor we know yet is a different color altogether does signify something. It signifies that whoever made the trailer purposely changed the color.  If they wanted it to be a direct symbol of Mass Effect they would have made it the same color.

It's ambiguous. Yes, they may have altered the color to "throw people off" so they could have their little fun with an ad-campagin, but I don't think they'd purposely change the colors of established symbols/weapons/etc. just for that purpose.

So, in short, yes, the colors are evidence. It's up to you as to how significant the evidence is, but it is evidence.

[Googlesaurus]

EatChildren wrote...

I never claimed you were. Take your own advice.

EatChildren wrote...

Its easy to look at this short snippit of CGI and say "Hey, thats not Mass Effect", but outside of the Incisor Rifle we havent even seen any Mass Effect related assets. The teaser was specifically cut to show as little as possible, and to not completely give away the game. Of course what we're seeing doesn't quite look like Mass Effect. If they had soldiers in glowing sci-fi armor and biotics throwing people around they couldn't show it in a teaser without fans picking up on it straight away.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I think the Avenger assault rifle had a diffrent colour scheme than it did in ME1. But I might be wrong.