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[Googlesaurus]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@EffectedByTheMasses: Nah. Like I said, too obvious. If Garrus was a traitor, now that I'd never see coming!

Now that would be interesting. As for Legion, the fact that the vast majority of people trust Legion could easily be reason for BW to make him a traitor, or if not then someone with ulterior motives for joining Shepard.

Bioware planned out the ending long before the second game came out, so they won't be inserting plot twists just because they found out players liked a certain character. Besides, it would be very convoluted. 

Legion does have ulterior motives: preservation of his race. 

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 10 décembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[praetor_alpha]

My head that's screwed on right says "Trust Legion." As said, they've had plenty of times to F U, but they have always held true. My gut is uncomfortable with the idea, since they aren't a breathing, fleshy construct.



When Miranda said that they put it in the AI core, I really wanted a renegade interrupt: "Putting a Geth in the AI core???!?!?!!? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING!??!?!!" Yeah, that's absolutely not going to bite us in the ass.

[DarthCaine]

I don't think he can lie

[Yojimbo_Ltd]

praetor_alpha wrote...

My head that's screwed on right says "Trust Legion." As said, they've had plenty of times to F U, but they have always held true. My gut is uncomfortable with the idea, since they aren't a breathing, fleshy construct.

When Miranda said that they put it in the AI core, I really wanted a renegade interrupt: "Putting a Geth in the AI core???!?!?!!? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING!??!?!!" Yeah, that's absolutely not going to bite us in the ass.

No kidding, that is an exceptionally bad idea.

That's why they put her on the most risky and technically demanding operations cerberus undertakes...

[Praetor Knight]

Cerberus = Lots of people dead.





http://social.biowar...99726/4#5416313

[282xvl]

I trust Legion as much and for the same reasons as I trusted Stalin. Enemy of my enemy is my friend, especially if said enemy is a eminent and utterly mortal danger to the survival of both myself and my new friend.



This does not mean I LIKE Stalin or Soviet Russia - they were simply lesser of two evils that were a useful ally against a (questionably!) greater/more heinous enemy in **** Germany.



It was also always understood that the would have to be dealt with eventually themselves, because they were obviously by far the (arguably!) second worst heinous and threatening nation on earth.



IMO Geth = ENEMY. Period. Legion saved Shepard's life because Legion judged this to be favorable to the survival of the Geth in the face of the Reaper threat. Under any other circumstances he would have shot Shepard down without hesitation. When the time comes for the Council to deal with the Geth problem like the Rachni and Krogan before them Legion will be the Geth's Shepard, a uniquely capable and talented super soldier/commander... So I'll use him for now to fight the reapers but then its a bullet in the brain and a long ride down a short airlock tube in orbit of a black hole.



Then fire up the dreadnoughts, we're taking on the evil cylons.

[SSV Enterprise]

This is an excellent question. One that, I think, can be asked of any squad member.



My answer? Yes. Why? Because Legion trusts Shepard. Legion allows Shepard to choose what to do with the Heretics. If Legion had an ulterior motive, some other plan that it was manipulating Shepard into, he would not have left the fate of the Heretics in his hands. I'm relatively confident with Legion. Now, if circumstances were to change -- if my interests suddenly went against those of the true geth -- I would no longer trust Legion, because we would effectively be enemies. For the time being, though, I'm not expecting a stab in the back from him.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I trust Legion for now. I know though that he's fighting for the Geth and their advancement more than anyone else (so that would have to be kept in mind going forward).

[xxMr Anarchyxx]

What if he installed a copy of Shepard's VI on himself and it's trying to help the real Shepard on the fight against the reapers, that would explain why his the only geth we've heard talk.

[282xvl]

He's just going to get in the way when the time comes to renecide the Geth into the ash heap of history for the preservation and glory of humanity. Last guy who complained about my necessary renecidal activities got virmire'd. You have been warned, Legion.

[Chuvvy]

Busomjack wrote...
When asked about the N7 armor why didn't he just say "no data available" from the beginning?

He did it out of sentimentality.

[282xvl]

Sentient machine refusing to admit to development of organic-style emotion such as sentimentality. To me this means it either considers this a weakness/something to be despised and/or it wishes to hide its true nature to avoid hostility or mistrust. Either way its shady.



It is also shady to pretend that all decisions are made by simple numerical consensus or by cold hard logic when it obviously is hiding the presence of emotional/sentimental influence in determining actions.



Creeps me out. I, for one, am severely disinclined to toiling through every day as an organic calculation system in the futile pursuit of defining PI to the billionth decimal.



Nuke it.

[V-rex]

282xvl wrote...

SNIP

Actually there's nothing 'shady' about it. Legion is a Geth and Geth are only just beginning to understand emotions, so at the time when Legion repaired itself with Shepard's armor instead of proper repairs, it did this because it wanted to wear such armor. However as it was part of a race built on foundations of cold hard logic, this meant that trying to come up with a 'logical' explanation for doing something that it only had the 'desire' to do, Legion had no idea how to explain that.

Legion has emotions and feelings and possibly even a sense of morality, it's just that as a machine, currenlty it only knows how to express things in the form of cold hard logic, ask it a question based on emotion and it goes silent, having no idea how to respond.

There's nothing 'menacing' about Legion's inability to fully understand and convey emotion, everything he says about himself, he says straight and up-front with no need to cover it up. He just hasn't gotten around to the whole 'feelings' thing, he isn't in denial of emotions, he just doesn't understand how to handle them.

[TheNexus]

Really, with the exception of Tali and Garrus (who've been with you through two games, so it's a safe bet they're loyal), how much do you trust any of the ME2 crew? Think about it.



Thane is an assassin.



Samara is a Justicar who plays by her own rules.



Jack is... Jack.



Mordin is a mad scientist.



Miranda and Jacob work/ed for Cerberus, but what do you know about them really?



Zaeed/Kasumi are pretty much just mercs.



To me, Legion is pretty much at the same level of trustworthiness as anyone else on the SR2 besides the old crew members from ME1.

[lovgreno]

It seems like the geth are way stronger than we thought in ME1 and they were quite strong enough back then. Considering this it would probably be unwise to be hostile against them. To have them point their guns against the reapers instead of at Shepard would raise the chances of surviving the reaper conflict a lot.



So diplomatic contacts will probably be needed despite what Shep might think of them. Shep want's him/her and humanity to be biggest and best? Tough luck, it's time to swallow his/her pride in the name of survival. Therefore Shep needs to trust Legion for now.



Unless you don't think it's worth the risk of course. They are still a geth who are a known danger but not much says they will be a ally yet.

[Deathwurm]

For some odd reason...I actually trust Legion. Not completely...I really only trust Garrus 100%...I think Legion is hiding something big (perhaps he is the only one of his kind & not part of a larger Collective) but so is just about everyone else at one point or another.
The N7 armor bit leads me to believe that perhaps Legion is holding an imprint of someone else's personality...perhaps the Ally lost in ME1 or even our dear Commander Sheppard.
I will say, this was one of my favorite surprises in ME2 and that's saying quite a bit!

Modifié par Deathwurm, 10 décembre 2010 - 10:22 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I trust him. I do think he's hiding something, but nothing that will bother me.

[massive_effect]

Soveriegn referred to himself as Legion in ME1 on Virmire. In ME2, Legion agrees that the man possessed in the Bible, with a legion of demons, is an accurate likeness to itself, thus he took that name.



Legion is not trustworthy.

[Deathwurm]

massive_effect wrote...

Soveriegn referred to himself as Legion in ME1 on Virmire.

Been a while since I've played...so I completely forgot about that...good Post!

[Inquisitor Recon]

What the hell? Legion ripped of Shepard's arm when he was dead? I ought to kill him for that.

[V-rex]

massive_effect wrote...

Soveriegn referred to himself as Legion in ME1 on Virmire. In ME2, Legion agrees that the man possessed in the Bible, with a legion of demons, is an accurate likeness to itself, thus he took that name.

Legion is not trustworthy.

That's silly.

Sovereign referred to himself as 'Legion' but only in the context of conversation, the actual name he gave himself to the Geth was Nazara.
Similarly Legion continued to call himself 'Geth' until EDI suggested the name Legion to which he responded:
"I am Legion for we are many."
Implying that because he was a single entity made up of many other smaller entities it was a valid metaphor and henceforth allowed himself to be known as Legion.

If your argument is that because he happened to take a name that coincidently came up as a word used by a main villain to describe himself in a different metaphor, he is therefore untrustowrthy then well.... that's silly.

It's not evidence of evil intent or deviousness, it's a coincidence.

[Katamariguy]

atheelogos wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't know about you guys but I just get a bit of a creepy vibe from the character.  He doesn't seem quite sincere in his motives and I think he's hiding something.  When asked about the N7 armor why didn't he just say "no data available" from the beginning?  I think he was trying to dodge the question because he has alterior motives.

No he dodged the question because he didn't fully understand why he wanted it. It sounds like he's experiencing things Geth have never felt before.

Such as obsession and hero worship.

I trust it, just not completely.

Modifié par Katamariguy, 10 décembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[achwas]

Yakko77 wrote...

achwas wrote...

Tali = confused, out-of -her-depth, naive and obviously inexperienced Quarian (fangirl). Trust ? Ask me 20 years down the river.

Yeah, I trust Legion far more than this Rogue's Gallery of "Shepard's Misfits"

I agree with you about the squad except for Tali. IIRC, she' supposed to be one of the Quarians most gifted tech experts so she's hardly inexperienced in that regard.  Is she out of her depth in that she gets herself into situations she can't get herself out of?  Given that when you recruit her in ME you had to save her from Fist and in ME2 you save her TWICE I'd say yes to that to a point.  It's not that's she's not capable it's just that she somehow winds up in situations that are beyond most anybody to handle and fortunately for her, Shepard is capable of the impossible and has been there for he in her time of need.

Inexperienced in the sense that she is utterly naive (say about the Geth point of view), social interaction, insecure in herself, does rarely provide any insights into matters that aren't obvious and is rather wide-eyed throughout both ME parts. Being a Tech-Whizz is hardly "experience". One is a special innate talent, the other has to acquired..
Nevermind Legion can do everything she is capable of, except for the nefarious "hug-attack" and LI aspects. Soemthing I am thankful for^^

[achwas]

massive_effect wrote...

Soveriegn referred to himself as Legion in ME1 on Virmire. In ME2, Legion agrees that the man possessed in the Bible, with a legion of demons, is an accurate likeness to itself, thus he took that name.

Legion is not trustworthy.

Not everything is biblical or bible-related, and the "similarity" does not even survive the translations  of ME. Nevermind that the name Legion was introduced by EDI... now let's see how conspiracy theorists spin that one