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[In Exile]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Even I think more highly of your gender than that.

I knew a woman in college who had won weight-lifting competitions in high school. She had no lack of male companionship.

I was just being snarky.

That said, I think it is true that there are at least some men that wouldn't go for muscles. Personally, it depends on the sort of muscles you are dealing with. My well ... not quite girlfriend in first year of university was a runner, so she was quite lithe and toned, but she had a very feminine silhouette. Also, muscles apparently mean bendy in all the right places...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm sorry. Men are totally a hive
mind without any personal tastes and preferences who all find muscular
women terribly unattractive. I feel deeply ashamed for implying
otherwise.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

....''I know you feel this...''

Bow-chica-wow-wow.

Modifié par In Exile, 10 décembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Dayshadow]

Risax wrote...

 Will Hawke have different body models?
For example I heard a rumor the Mage Hawke won't be as buff as a warrior, which I think is pretty well thought off. But are there differences between Rogue and Warroir? I mean it would make sense that Rogues are muscular, but are they as buff as warriors? I mean the Rogues have to be more athletic then the Warrior and all.

And what about FemHawke? For example Aveline is a female warrior, and you can see that thanks to the muscular arms and all, will a Warrior class FemHawke have that as well?

Real life mages are in peak physical condition. Why would make believe mages be scrawny and undefined?

[Chuvvy]

Revan312 wrote...

On topic as well, I'm gonna assume the same as you and that the clothing/armor models will dictate the "build" of individuals..

Good we agree. Can we also agree that mages with forearms the size of small trash cans would be unrealistic. Unless they were on bull shark testosterone. Come to think of it, it'd be intersting to roll a fitness junkie. "Hold off those darkspawn, just a few more reps."

[Chuvvy]

Dayshadow wrote...

Real life mages

Yeah... about that.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*pulls up a chair, waits*

*gets the popcorn*

*gets some butter pocpcorn and sits next to them*

[Revan312]

Slidell505 wrote...

Good we agree. Can we also agree that mages with forearms the size of small trash cans would be unrealistic. Unless they were on bull shark testosterone.

Sounds like a good consumable, they should definatly put BST into the game, for those especially difficult fights.

[In Exile]

Dayshadow wrote...
Real life mages are in peak physical condition. Why would make believe mages be scrawny and undefined?

The world you live in is either awesome or terrifying.

[Sharn01]

Well. some people dont go for giant piercings smack in the middle of the only known LI's lip to accentuate her 40lb giant gold necklace and 3lb earrings, but to each their own.



I am cool with some muscle though.

[Dayshadow]

In Exile wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
Real life mages are in peak physical condition. Why would make believe mages be scrawny and undefined?

The world you live in is either awesome or terrifying.

Oh, mages exist.  They don't shoot fireballs and lightning.  They are closer to blood mages in that they focus on emotional and mental domination.

[lunarknightmage]

if anything, I would think that mage Hawke, being an apostate, would be more fit/buff than the average Circle Mage, simply for the fact that apostates probably count survival as a high priority.



If you're always on the run, or worried about Templars hunting you and your family down, you'd probably want to get yourself into fighting shape so you'll be prepared.



Not to mention, mage Hawke probably didn't walk around Lothering broadcasting she was a Mage. She, and Bethany, probably did what they could to blend in or not attract attention.



if that means passing yourself off as a family of simple farmers or peasants, then it's not inconceivable that Hawke prob did her fair share of farm work or manual labor.........hence the muscles...........

[Harid]

Dayshadow wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
Real life mages are in peak physical condition. Why would make believe mages be scrawny and undefined?

The world you live in is either awesome or terrifying.

Oh, mages exist.  They don't shoot fireballs and lightning.  They are closer to blood mages in that they focus on emotional and mental domination.

uhhhh. . .

I wish Bioware would add in a body toggle, given how Hawke is really the only person they are concerned with in terms of different armor types, but I have to assume they were either uninterested or lacked the time.

While they'll probably handwave the issue by saying he was a farmer, farmers have to be strong or some such, I dunno, I would assume any trained Warrior or even Rogue should be in better physical shape than a mage, given the fact that a mage can augment their strength with magic, and Warriors and Rogues have to actually use their own abilities.  It begs the question, if a Mage is in the same physical conditioning as a Warrior. . .why isn't that mage a mage/warrior?  There is nothing in the canon preventing multi/dual classes.

I still want to know how the Apostate Hawkes could settle in Lothering, Given there was a large Templar HQ there, but I guess either Bioware will go over this, or it's typical Bioware "Everyone is inept at their jobs but you, because you are awesome."

Modifié par Harid, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[Maria Caliban]

Revan312 wrote...

I believe he's talking about the double standard of women being able to bash men publicly and it's accepted as normal but men who bash the female persuasion get screamed down in massive bursts of holy vengeance.

That's amusing. I objected to what I perceived as an unfair characterization of men. If I somehow bashed men while doing so, I apologize.

In Exile wrote...

I was just being snarky.

That said, I think it is true that there are at least some men that wouldn't go for muscles. Personally, it depends on the sort of muscles you are dealing with. My well ... not quite girlfriend in first year of university was a runner, so she was quite lithe and toned, but she had a very feminine silhouette. Also, muscles apparently mean bendy in all the right places...

Snarky bastard.

Oh sure, there are men who dislike muscles on a woman. There are women who dislike muscles on a woman. I know several women who dislike muscular men and have a strong preference for dudes I'd characterize as scrawny.

My experience is that 'looks feminine' and 'muscular' has little to do with one another. The average woman couldn't look ripped if she tried but she could certainly tone and develop her muscles. If you have a feminine silhouette, working out won't get rid of it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 décembre 2010 - 06:20 .

[Snoteye]

Toned is good. Ripped is bad. Also on women.

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...
The average woman couldn't look ripped if she tried but she could certainly tone and develop her muscles. If you have a feminine silhouette, working out won't get rid of it.

Indeed.  You don't exactly become ripped accidentally.  It takes months... no, years, of sustained - focused effort.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 décembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

DERP.  Ignore this post.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 10 décembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[In Exile]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed.  You don't exactly become ripped accidentally.  It takes months... no, years, of sustained - focused effort.

Or stupidly good genes. I'm grateful for those. If you have a naturally lower body fat %, you can be reasonable toned quite quickly (at least, relative to the length of time it takes others, obviously not the amount of hard work that has to be put it).

Generally speaking, being ripped is more about genes than actual workout regime, at least in my experience.

[Annie_Dear]

Ryzaki wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*pulls up a chair, waits*

*gets the popcorn*

*gets some butter pocpcorn and sits next to them*

[Mubar]

I noticed different bodies on rouge and warrior in the demo

[Dayshadow]

Harid wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
Real life mages are in peak physical condition. Why would make believe mages be scrawny and undefined?

The world you live in is either awesome or terrifying.

Oh, mages exist.  They don't shoot fireballs and lightning.  They are closer to blood mages in that they focus on emotional and mental domination.

uhhhh. . .

I sometimes forget that for most people nothing can exist without their knowledge much less outside the scope of their understanding.

Harid wrote...

I wish Bioware would add in a body toggle, given how Hawke is really the only person they are concerned with in terms of different armor types, but I have to assume they were either uninterested or lacked the time.

While they'll probably handwave the issue by saying he was a farmer, farmers have to be strong or some such, I dunno, I would assume any trained Warrior or even Rogue should be in better physical shape than a mage, given the fact that a mage can augment their strength with magic, and Warriors and Rogues have to actually use their own abilities.  It begs the question, if a Mage is in the same physical conditioning as a Warrior. . .why isn't that mage a mage/warrior?  There is nothing in the canon preventing multi/dual classes.

That's like saying a person can't have a desk job and be a body builder.  Why isn't he a insurance broker and a UFC fighter?  There is nothing preventing it.  The answer would be because he wants to sell insurance.  In the case of a circle mage, because nobody in the tower is going to teach him swordplay.

In terms of a game a genuine warrior-mage is overpowered.

One way to look at it is a healthy body is necessary to harness the energy levels necessary to shape reality, therefore a mage would need to be physically fit.  Out of shape people would destroy their central nervous system, have heart failure, spontaneously comburst, etc.

[Beregar]

Don't try to insert to much realism into a fantasy world. You all are trying to reason why mage Hawke could have or could not have muscles but it's all moot. Ideally he should look whatever you wish him to look because it's not a real world - it's a fantasy world. It's like watching an actor in a movie and going "there's no way he could do/look that in real life". Probably not, but it's not real life, it's fantasy.

Hawke is going to look whatever makes most sense if there is no bodytype customization. The safe bet is to go heroic looking figures for a heroic game. You will end up dissapointing people, but that's also the case if Hawke was skinny or bulky, with or without definition, or something in between.

I'm also used to seeing scandinavian women of which most aren't petite femmes with twig like arms. When someone says that female Hawke's arms are unnaturally thick I usually go "umm, they look like pretty normal working woman's arms". Someone who actually gets physical exercise. Thickness is right, just a bit too much definition on them as women usually have more body fat than men. It's all a matter of perspective.

I for one 'am happy we at least get facial customization and that our male hero can have a beard. Anything beyond that is an extra bonus and if we get down to it, I've yet to see a single game with body hair customization option. I wager most men don't shave after all. It's like someone mentioned Varric has excessive bodyhair and I went "huh?" that looks like normal amount of body hair to me. It's a matter of perspective.

Modifié par Beregar, 11 décembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[Ziggeh]

Dayshadow wrote...

Harid wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
Oh, mages exist.  They don't shoot fireballs and lightning.  They are closer to blood mages in that they focus on emotional and mental domination.

uhhhh. . .

I sometimes forget that for most people nothing can exist without their knowledge much less outside the scope of their understanding.

Haha.

I helped a dude with a film ages ago. First camera crew ever allowed inside the magic circle building in camden, and I can tell you, real life "mages" have been at the pies.

[Beregar]

Of course real life magicians and magic exists. Illusionists like David Copperfield know all kinds of neat tricks to fool people's eye. Many fortune tellers are skilled in cold reading which is pretty magical since very few are good at it. However I'm more skeptical when it comes to those dealing with magic circles, curses, "spells" and other supernatural mumbo jumbo.

Modifié par Beregar, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[ENolan]

Ryzaki wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*pulls up a chair, waits*

*gets the popcorn*

*gets some butter pocpcorn and sits next to them*

[Pulls another chair up and offers US, Ryzaki, and Leonia drinks, but politely refuses the popcorn]

[deuce985]

I think that answer is pretty obvious. I could only imagine the animation problems they'd have with different body structure. That would probably devote to much resources to that are of development. One reason I'm fine by having a human only Hawke with a set build and companions with their own unique armor is because of variety. I think now Bioware can create tons of awesome looking armor/weapons specifically for Hawke because he is all they have to worry about. They don't have to worry about designing the Hawke armor on a elf or a dwarf. Same goes companions, unique armor for them helps you distinguish them more.

DA:O had a bad habit of recycling the same armor look over and over...weapons too. I'm happy they said we'll see more variety.