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[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm in the quest for te Urn of Sacred Ashes and I reached te point where the 3 Drakes ambush me in the cave filled with goat cages. I've been consistently trying nothng but this exact same fight for several hours and failing every single time.

I have Shale, Allister, Leliana and a Warrior Warden who I'm fairly certain is rather poorly built.

Anyway, i came pretty close to winning a couple times but was foiled both times by my idiotic party members stupidity. Usually my strategy consists of Allister and Shale trying to hold the 3 drakes off at the door before they are murdered while Leliana and the Warden try to pick off one with arrows. Usually that fails miserable but it's the best strategy I came up with becuase the other ones always fail miserably. Shale and Allister don't last long against 3 drakes but I try to get Shales quake and punch moves off before she's defeated.

Anyway, it's more frustating because my party memers AI seems to be doing it's best to help the enemy win sometimes. They din't fire when I needed them to fire, causing me to lose. They rushed towards the enemy when I need them to do the opposite causing them to die.

Hell, a couple of times the ranged party members just ran up to melee range and just stood there despite the fact that I explicitly ordered them not to.

Why do they keep doing this?

I have to be honest, I never really bothered much with the tactics control on my first playthrough. this time I tried fiddling with it and Leliana still runs too close to the dragon despite being set as "archer"

[HolyAvenger]

Hmm this fight was fairly straight forward for me, but I did have a mage (Wynne who took out the lead drake with Petrify + Stonefist straight away) buffing.



If you're having trouble with tactics, why not use pause and micromanage your party? How about using Leliana to lay some traps (bit cheesy, but y'know)?

[Mad Bohemian]

Check the behavior settings on your archers, ranged should keep them at a distance.



This is a little "cheesy" to but try to run back and catch the Drakes at the narrow part of the cavern with the melee people to try and keep the others traped behind the first while you whack on it.

[Brozan]

First off no build is necessarily bad any way you build your character will have different strengths and weaknesses.



Do you have health pots?



I would suggest a bit of a change up in party but that may just be my taste. I always have a mage in the party to hep control the battle and throw out heals when needed.



Also what level are you currently. The game has an intended order to do things in. I did this quest kind of early and it was really freaking hard for me the first time.



Another suggestion would be to use poisons and other consumables maybe even a rock salve on your main tank if you have one in your inventory.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't have any traps or poisons and my health potions are few. I had more but I used most of them u getting here. It doesn't really matter though because Shale will get knocked over and killed before she can use them.



I try to concentrate my archers on one of them so i can take it out early but sometimes they still ignore me and pick whichever one they want as a target. Since this will usually force me to restart the fight over again after just a few seconds, it annoys me to no end.



i never had this much trouble on my last playthrough.But then I was a higher level and had Morrigan Oghren and Leliana with me that time. Last time I saved this Urn of Sacred Ashes quest for last, and this time I'm saving it for second last after Orzammar. Is that the difference maker?

[caradoc2000]

Shale is nigh unkillable in Stoneheart mode & small brilliant natural crystal.

[Lekwid]

Mages are useful to control the flow of battle. One spell I like is Force Field. It allows you to isolate one target of your choice be it friend or foe. For example, you get Alistair or Shale to taunt the enemy, they get focused and you can cast FF on them to make them invincible. Meanwhile, the drakes are beating on the tank for 0 dmg and your ranged pummels them and your rogue backstabs their tails off.



Now given you dont have a mage you could use the taunt strat to change the focus from one target to the other, switch from shale to alistair getting a beating. Shale heals, when alistair is getting savagely beaten you get Shale to taunt.

[DWSmiley]

If Shale has Earthen Grasp that will buy you time for some free whacks on the drakes. Grenades are helpful and rock salve and swift salve even more so. Set your tactics to have your archers attack the enemy being attacked by Alistair.

[cJohnOne]

I thought he was talking about the three drakes and the cages. Not the two drakes and the mage.



I think you really need more health poultices if you have no mage.

[Tigress M]

Set up Leilana's tactics to target your character's target. That way she won't go off and shoot arrows at someone else. Unfortunately, without a mage to help heal, you'll probably find this fight next to impossible if you run out of pots. You an always leave the area, go get pots and come back.

[Realranger55]

taunt between shale and alistair when their respective health gets low. My quess would be Lelianna is trying to use "below the belt" on the dragons causing her to run up to them. Disable it if you see it in tactics.

[soteria]

You might try switching Leliana to daggers and having her backstab. She's really very weak as a damage dealer, but that might help. IMO, a warrior archer is of debatable merit unless he's doing some tanking--heavy armor and high dexterity. Set melee to defensive or aggressive and ranged to ranged in the behaviors dropdown (top right).

[Arthur Cousland]

By not having a mage for healing, you've made things much harder for yourself. Aside from healing, I'll have my mage use force field on anyone low on health, which has prevented many deaths during my playthroughs.



How is Alistair built? While it's not mandatory, it helps to give him just enough strength to wear the best armor, and put the rest into dexterity to give him high defense, so enemies can't hit him with regular melee attacks. If he gets hit with something like overwhelm or grab, then have another party member use a stun attack on the enemy, or have a mage use force field on him.



If this is the drake fight that I'm thinking of (it's a dead end where a drake comes up behind you as you approach), just walk slowly and you can get the drake to come up from behind you without alerting the other drake in the same room. If you can't avoid fighting multiple drakes at once, then use what crowd control you have and make sure everyone is fighting the same drake, as to focus damage and eliminate enemy numbers asap. The main problem seems to be that you have 3 warriors in the party with no good means of crowd control or healing aside from poultices. If it's possible to reload to a point where you can switch party members, I'd replace Alistair or Shale with Wynne or Morrigan or bring many more health poultices.



You don't need to save this part for later on in the game. I usually go after Arl of Redcliffe/Urn of Sacred Ashes second, after Broken Circle, and before Paragon of Her Kind and Nature of the Beast. Any difficulties I've had usually involve mages and/or ash wraiths.



Usually by walking, rather than running, in dungeons, you can avoid many ambushes and traps. Multiple save files are also handy, so you always have a fallback, and can re-try difficult fights with different party/equipment setups or just be better prepared.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I eventually did manage to struggle through it to success and eventually cleared the mountain temple. I'm not sure how really, just with luck and a a bit of a divide and conquer strategy.



Still though, I've occasionally noticed things like Leliana running right up near an enemy to use her bow on them afterwards.

[Arthur Cousland]

Archers are wierd sometimes. On occasion they like to shoot from point-blank range. The descriptions for the passive and cautious behaviors say that the person is supposed to avoid or run away from enemies, though many times I see my ranged characters on the front lines with their ranged weapons. I could just picture Leliana/Nathaniel whacking enemies with their bows, if using it as a blunt weapon was an option.

[Mr_Steph]

Can't say that I have had that problem before. Setting my archers up with the ranged option and removing talents that are melee works keeping them at range at all times for me.

[Mr_Steph]

Or stuff like below the belt....I hate that one

[Brozan]

I stopped giving Leliana Melee weapons at all. Doesn't hurt her any as I never have her take any of the dual wielding tree.

[ArawnNox]

Glaucon wrote...

Yeah, you need to remove any tactics that refer to mêlée skills to ensure that Archers function correctly. Relying on the default behaviours alone won't do. If you have a rule that states: Enemy Range = Short --> Switch to mêlée weapons. That scenario happens a lot with enemy rushing your characters and results in your archer flipping between mêlée and ranged like a deranged loon.

One that drove me nuts was the default archer tactics containing "If Enemy -> Is Using Melee Attack -> Use Ability -> Dirty Fighting" It always made them charge into the line of advancing enemies, use that ability, then get torn up by the melee.
Now I use custom tactics exclusivly and it makes all the difference in the world.

[Arthur Cousland]

Sometimes my archers would stand right in front of one enemy while shooting another from range. While they are attacking from range, they didn't seem to notice that they picked a bad spot to shoot from.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Thanks for all the advice guys. I eventually did manage to struggle through it to success and eventually cleared the mountain temple. I'm not sure how really, just with luck and a a bit of a divide and conquer strategy.

Still though, I've occasionally noticed things like Leliana running right up near an enemy to use her bow on them afterwards.

Could be a line of sight thing. I've had my mage run up to the point I wanted him to shoot a fireball at because he didnt have line of sight. Doh!

Either that or she is running in to do a rogue ability, Disable that in tactics, which should fix your problem.