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[Siansonea]

MortalEngines wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Considering what I heard and saw on Horizon, I'm not holding my breath for them being something special.

Horizon was a mission to discover whether Cerberus was actually under the missing Colonists, which used the whole fixing defenses as a guise. Obviously they weren't expecting the collectors or the seeker swarms. I don't know exactly what people were expecting from the VS on Horizon?

If it had been any other character, the results would of been the same. Even if it was Shepard.

I know, right? I guess people think that if a character doesn't make puppy-dog eyes at you regardless of your actions, they "suck". Personally I think Ash/Kaidan had every right to call Shepard out on Horizon, and Tela Vasir on Illium, for that matter. Shepard is working with a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that the Virmire Survivor actually witnessed in action. Not to mention that the last they knew, Shepard was DEAD. So given all that, I think some skepticism on their part is perfectly justifiable. But to realize that requires the ability to actually think about things from a point of view other than one's own, so it's no surprise that people still b¡tch and moan about how "Ash was mean to me on Horizon STFU!" <_<

[Chewin]

I wonder why people are so frustrated. "Jacob won't be in ME3, Legion won't be either, BW f*** you for not having Miranda confirmed yet'.

I mean, c'mon guys. Why wouldn't they all be in ME3?

[Phaedon]

Chewin3 wrote...

I wonder why people are so frustrated. "Jacob won't be in ME3, Legion won't be either, BW f*** you for not having Miranda confirmed yet'.

I mean, c'mon guys. Why wouldn't they all be in ME3?

Actually, Bioware has already confirmed Legion and Miranda. 

[Chewin]

Good to hear. Now everyone can sleep well

[Almostfaceman]

Siansonea II wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Considering what I heard and saw on Horizon, I'm not holding my breath for them being something special.

Horizon was a mission to discover whether Cerberus was actually under the missing Colonists, which used the whole fixing defenses as a guise. Obviously they weren't expecting the collectors or the seeker swarms. I don't know exactly what people were expecting from the VS on Horizon?

If it had been any other character, the results would of been the same. Even if it was Shepard.

I know, right? I guess people think that if a character doesn't make puppy-dog eyes at you regardless of your actions, they "suck". Personally I think Ash/Kaidan had every right to call Shepard out on Horizon, and Tela Vasir on Illium, for that matter. Shepard is working with a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that the Virmire Survivor actually witnessed in action. Not to mention that the last they knew, Shepard was DEAD. So given all that, I think some skepticism on their part is perfectly justifiable. But to realize that requires the ability to actually think about things from a point of view other than one's own, so it's no surprise that people still b¡tch and moan about how "Ash was mean to me on Horizon STFU!" <_<

I don't have anything against the VS (think they'd make a fine Spectre) OR Tali - but Horizon was bad writing.  Just completely implausible in my opinion.  I can understand some frustration, but I say take it out on Bioware, not the VS.

[slaythatdragon]

Phaedon wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

I wonder why people are so frustrated. "Jacob won't be in ME3, Legion won't be either, BW f*** you for not having Miranda confirmed yet'.

I mean, c'mon guys. Why wouldn't they all be in ME3?

Actually, Bioware has already confirmed Legion and Miranda. 

When was that and how did i miss it? GI confirmed Legion. But Miranda? 

[Almostfaceman]

Phaedon wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

I wonder why people are so frustrated. "Jacob won't be in ME3, Legion won't be either, BW f*** you for not having Miranda confirmed yet'.

I mean, c'mon guys. Why wouldn't they all be in ME3?

Actually, Bioware has already confirmed Legion and Miranda. 

Right - just not as permanent squadmembers or whatever.  I think some people are getting confused about that.

[Vez04]

Phaedon wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

I wonder why people are so frustrated. "Jacob won't be in ME3, Legion won't be either, BW f*** you for not having Miranda confirmed yet'.

I mean, c'mon guys. Why wouldn't they all be in ME3?

Actually, Bioware has already confirmed Legion and Miranda. 

PSM3 says out for Legion and Miranda

Legion: YES

Miranda: NO

[Someone With Mass]

I won't mind Legion being a temporary teammate as long as he gets a role that fits him.

[Phaedon]

Yeah, sorry, forgot that Miranda was not confirmed. Should probably get some sleep.

[Tamahome560]

So finally people get their wish of working with another Spectre for longer than 15 minutes and now they complain that it is VS? Huh ...

While I do agree that I feel that VS is not ready for something like this in ME1, VS had a lot of time to improve and by ME3 is probably ready. We cannot judge them on a single conversation in ME2 where they have seen their supposedly dead for 2 years Commander who acts like coming back from dying is nothing.

Also while Spectre's need to be elite not all of them have to be Shepard's or Saren's level of awesome. There will always be a top dog even among the best of the best. What I'm curious about is how they will handle Liara/Shadow Broker plot though I'm glad she is back

[Someone With Mass]

Vez04 wrote...
PSM3 says out for Legion and Miranda

Legion: YES

Miranda: NO

It's not that much of a confirmation, though. 

[E-Type XR]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I won't mind Legion being a temporary teammate as long as he gets a role that fits him.

Perhaps you un-intentionally infiltrate a Cerberus base

[Phaedon]

As I said, VS makes sense as 'Shepard's successor' as a human Spectre.

[Vez04]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Vez04 wrote...
PSM3 says out for Legion and Miranda

Legion: YES

Miranda: NO

It's not that much of a confirmation, though. 

Yeah thats true unfortenly but i dont think im allowed to post url which contains the scans about it so cant say much more then that :/.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Vez04 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Vez04 wrote...
PSM3 says out for Legion and Miranda

Legion: YES

Miranda: NO

It's not that much of a confirmation, though. 

Yeah thats true unfortenly but i dont think im allowed to post url which contains the scans about it so cant say much more then that :/.

Nah, that's mostly specilation on their part.

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...

As I said, VS makes sense as 'Shepard's successor' as a human Spectre.

Still feels weak, after everything they've said that's demanded of a Spectre.

[MortalEngines]

ExtremeOne wrote...
They treated Shepard like crap and you say its fine that maybe fine in your Shepard's mind  . But Bioware did not give us who hated what those clowns did to our Shepard any real way to respond to them. 

I was only refering to their military and fighting capabilities (and leadership) that would lead to their promotion to Spectre status. There is no need to bring up their treatment of Shepard, that's a whole different discussion which I honestly don't care about.

Siansonea II wrote...
I know, right? I guess people think that if a character doesn't make puppy-dog eyes at you regardless of your actions, they "suck". Personally I think Ash/Kaidan had every right to call Shepard out on Horizon, and Tela Vasir on Illium, for that matter. Shepard is working with a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that the Virmire Survivor actually witnessed in action. Not to mention that the last they knew, Shepard was DEAD. So given all that, I think some skepticism on their part is perfectly justifiable. But to realize that requires the ability to actually think about things from a point of view other than one's own, so it's no surprise that people still b¡tch and moan about how "Ash was mean to me on Horizon STFU!" [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Like I said above, I was refering to their fighting/leadership capabilities anyway, which really has nothing to do with their handling of Shepard, a completely personal affair. But it is rather annoying when people bring up their actions to Shepard as a reason they are 'bad'. I don't have any special love for characters but I don't have special hate either.

Tamahome560 wrote...

So finally people get their wish of working with another Spectre for longer than 15 minutes and now they complain that it is VS? Huh ... 

While I do agree that I feel that VS is not ready for something like this in ME1, VS had a lot of time to improve and by ME3 is probably ready. We cannot judge them on a single conversation in ME2 where they have seen their supposedly dead for 2 years Commander who acts like coming back from dying is nothing. 

Also while Spectre's need to be elite not all of them have to be Shepard's or Saren's level of awesome. There will always be a top dog even among the best of the best. What I'm curious about is how they will handle Liara/Shadow Broker plot though I'm glad she is back

Thank you, you summed it all up perfectly. VS is likely to be the best in the Alliance by the point of ME3, making them, like Shepard was at ME1, the best candidate for the next Human Spectre.

Someone With Mass wrote...
Still feels weak, after everything they've said that's demanded of a Spectre.

How is it weak? Please actually come up with something to back up your statements.

What about the VS makes them incapable of taking up the mantle of the next human spectre? What is 'demanded' of Spectres that VS can't meet?

Modifié par MortalEngines, 21 avril 2011 - 10:16 .

[shnizzler93]

Phaedon wrote...

As I said, VS makes sense as 'Shepard's successor' as a human Spectre.

Damn, I knew I shouldn't have cheated on Ashley. Now I have to replay both games again. 

[E-Type XR]

I think the point people are trying to make is that it took Humanity 30 years, an one of a kind individual, and a damn-lucky coincidence (Saren's betrayel coinciding with Shepard's Spectre assesment) to get the first Spectre. Suddenly, some previously rank and file alliance soldier becomes a Spectre? Doesn't feel right.

[Someone With Mass]

MortalEngines wrote...
How is it weak? Please actually come up with something to back up your statements.

What about the VS makes them incapable of taking up the mantle of the next human spectre? What is 'demanded' of Spectres that VS can't meet?

Oh, I'm sorry. Did they evolve from normal soldiers to Spectre material because of something they did during those two years that's on the same level as Shepard's years of experience and service? 

I must've missed that.

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

[Tamahome560]

E-Type XR wrote...

I think the point people are trying to make is that it took Humanity 30 years, an one of a kind individual, and a damn-lucky coincidence (Saren's betrayel coinciding with Shepard's Spectre assesment) to get the first Spectre. Suddenly, some previously rank and file alliance soldier becomes a Spectre? Doesn't feel right.

Why? They had 2 years+ to improve. And the first Spectre was obviously the beginning and now that humans have their seat on the Council and their first human Spectre they can now nominate much more candidates and they don't have to be as amazing as Shepard. If Shepard or Saren were considered a standard for Spectre recruitment then their ranks would become really small.

[Almostfaceman]

Phaedon wrote...

Yeah, sorry, forgot that Miranda was not confirmed. Should probably get some sleep.

Gameinformer says they're all coming back - just to what degree is unknown.

[ExtremeOne]

Phaedon wrote...

C'mon guys, stay civil. Both Tali and the VS are returning, there's nothing to fight about.

  


well for now I can go along with that 

[E-Type XR]

Tamahome560 wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

I think the point people are trying to make is that it took Humanity 30 years, an one of a kind individual, and a damn-lucky coincidence (Saren's betrayel coinciding with Shepard's Spectre assesment) to get the first Spectre. Suddenly, some previously rank and file alliance soldier becomes a Spectre? Doesn't feel right.

Why? They had 2 years+ to improve. And the first Spectre was obviously the beginning and now that humans have their seat on the Council and their first human Spectre they can now nominate much more candidates and they don't have to be as amazing as Shepard. If Shepard or Saren were considered a standard for Spectre recruitment then their ranks would become really small.

That's the point, do they have to be that Elite. We only know of 4 Spectres from the games (don't know about the books), but I'm guessing there can't be more than 10 or 20