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MortalEngines wrote...
All the work VS did with Shepard speaks more than enough for why she's good enough. Just like the poster above has just listed out. 


Yeah, because her deeds alongside the human Spectre clearly tells us about her skills as a soldier. It's not like Shepard lead them through all those missions and ordered them in battle...oh, wait.

And I think having the right personality is important. Especially if the original Council is still around.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

In the end, let's just agree to disagree. I don't feel that the VS should be a Spectre, but clearly a large majority does. Anyway, lets hope that the story behind them becoming a Spectre is well explained, then I'll be satisfied.


That.

And if not, I'll let them know they'll never be as good as Commander Shepard.

but the VS didn't die like Shepard did. By Krogan logic VS > ShepardPosted Image

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Can we get more Talimancers in here to comment on how sucky it is that the VS is made a Spectre? Because I don't think we've heard from enough of them. Maybe if they start a big enough movement, BioWare will reconsider, and Tali will be the next human Spectre (yeah, I know, no logic, but go with it) and the VS will instead be the asari consort's newest greeter in ME3.

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So, at what point is half of Shepard's team kidnapped by a reaper and deserted on an uncharted world and put under relentless assault by these Rachni Husks... because if this happens I'm going to **** a brick.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Can we get more Talimancers in here to comment on how sucky it is that the VS is made a Spectre? Because I don't think we've heard from enough of them. Maybe if they start a big enough movement, BioWare will reconsider, and Tali will be the next human Spectre (yeah, I know, no logic, but go with it) and the VS will instead be the asari consort's newest greeter in ME3.

Yeah the VS is some sort of threat To Tali for some odd reason. They're a Spectre so now that's the biggest inustice especially now that Tali isnt' confirmed. Down with Kaidan and Ashely ALL HAIL TALI!

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

In the end, let's just agree to disagree. I don't feel that the VS should be a Spectre, but clearly a large majority does. Anyway, lets hope that the story behind them becoming a Spectre is well explained, then I'll be satisfied.


That.

And if not, I'll let them know they'll never be as good as Commander Shepard.

but the VS didn't die like Shepard did. By Krogan logic VS > ShepardPosted Image


Why does Shepard have to be god-like anyway?  So many people whined that Ash/Kaidan and Liara sucked in ME2 because they said 'no' to Shepard.  That they had their own things to take care of.  Shep is awesome but the universe doesn't revolve around her.  The VS and Liara had to do things that were right for the universe, not get carried off back onto the Normandy kicking and screaming.

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rynluna wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

In the end, let's just agree to disagree. I don't feel that the VS should be a Spectre, but clearly a large majority does. Anyway, lets hope that the story behind them becoming a Spectre is well explained, then I'll be satisfied.


That.

And if not, I'll let them know they'll never be as good as Commander Shepard.

but the VS didn't die like Shepard did. By Krogan logic VS > ShepardPosted Image


Why does Shepard have to be god-like anyway?  So many people whined that Ash/Kaidan and Liara sucked in ME2 because they said 'no' to Shepard.  That they had their own things to take care of.  Shep is awesome but the universe doesn't revolve around her.  The VS and Liara had to do things that were right for the universe, not get carried off back onto the Normandy kicking and screaming.

Exactly!!!! "whaaaaa they won't join me again, I hate how independant and strong willed they are. they suck for being themselves. Oh hey Tali and garrus, thanks for bending to my will and dropping everything to me like the sheep you are. I love you!"  something like that?.Posted Image

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Phaedon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

By
the way, Phaedon, I really appreciate this thread and the work you put
into it. People probably don't say that enough.

Thanks. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Credit goes to the other contributors as well.

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Only thing that surprised me was the SPECTRE Status of the VS - damn, that´s quite the spoiler :/
Still, wonder how they came to it o.0 (I´m kinda...jealous? :P)

Secondly, are there any scans of those mags you guys posted as sources?

Our twitter account tends to have links to them, but we can't post them here.

damn, that´s quite the spoiler :/

If you don't want spoilers, don't read the change log and the story section. The rest are spoiler-free. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]


I know, I know, just wanted a hint ;) Thanks!
And I know, but these aren´t THAT much of a spoiler... still, surprised me quite a bit...
Hope there will still be little things that take me by surprise in ME3 (should avoid these articles, but meh... this is fun too :D)

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Got a summary of the PS3M article from GAF:

-Casey
Hudson says, the game will have some epic moments, as well as 'smaller,
more personal moments' that exceeds the previous 2 games. The player
will start realising things from Shepard's personal life. He will have
to deal with the consequences of the sacrifices he's had to make.
-There is a new charged-up melee attack where Shepard uses his Omni-Tool to inflicting a big burning hit.
-Earth's
megacity in the game is 'Seattle' meets 'Vancouver' as they sprawl into
each other in the American North-West. That's where you'll spend your
time on Earth. So not London or New York like previously mentioned.
Describes the planet: 'It's curved, futuristic buildings bathe in
beautiful light as the sea laps into the waterfront and docks.' They
also saw the aftermath in which the Reapers decimate it.
-Obvious: Your choices will all have an impact in ME 3 such as the genophage, the collector base, your LI choices etc.
-Players
won't miss out on content because of previous choices. An example, you
run into Conrad Verner but it could be someone else for another player.
-The Turret that Engineers can use won't decimate enemies, but distract them.
-Gunfights are quicker and more deadly (confirmation).
-Confirms
you visit the Geth-occupied Quarian homeworld Rannoch, Sur'Kesh
(Salarian homeworld) and a human mining-operation on Mars.
-Visually it's tapping the heels of games such as Killzone 3 and Crysis 2, with 6 months development time left.
-The Rachni decision may haunt you in ME 3.
-Confirms
character list: Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, James Sanders, Garrus, Tali
(apparently she has unfinished business with Shepard), Wrex, Mordin (the
plot dictates that he stays close to Shepard), Jack (she has matured,
softened up a bit), Legion (will be back but don't expect him to
playable). They expect Jacob to be dropped.
-Character customisation will be as extensive as ever.
-The action, rather than the all-linear affair of ME 2, will be more along the lines of Uncharted.
-New Cerberus troops are called Phantoms and Assassins.
-Shepard
faces full-on bosses in the game's story. Some are really huge. One
part, you have to lure a Reaper up to a Thresher Maw so they can duke it
out.
-"Many of the core story levels are built around the largest, most dramatic moments in the galaxy."


Niiiiiice! And lol@ Rachni! I really hope it won´t bite the Paragons totally in the ass...maybe we can have them as allies, and a part of them indoctrinated? Would be a compromise. But maybe there are still other eggs that have been found by the Reapers....hmmm.... 

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

As I said, VS makes sense as 'Shepard's successor' as a human Spectre.


Still feels weak, after everything they've said that's demanded of a Spectre.


Someone With Mass wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...
How is it weak? Please actually come up with something to back up your statements.

What
about the VS makes them incapable of taking up the mantle of the next
human spectre? What is 'demanded' of Spectres that VS can't meet?


Oh,
I'm sorry. Did they evolve from normal soldiers to Spectre material
because of something they did during those two years that's on the same
level as Shepard's years of experience and service? 

I must've missed that.

“Spectres
are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service
and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”


That was why I wasn´t so happy with the news as well. You guys discussed pretty much all of the pros and cons, so I´ll just say : wait and see - like ADLegend said, they do have an impressive dossier of missions at the moment, and that can only help them!
I just hope they´ll be worthy of a Spectre in ME3 (and have even done some cool stuff in the 2 years Shepard was *under construction* :P )

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Sorry for the double post, but javier says here that the new class focusing on melee is a mistranslation, and that it was only new class skills:

javierabegazo wrote...

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javierabegazo wrote...

Pssh, If you ask me, it's a total mistake with translation.


I can't speak spanish, but from what Ive seen/read, there's heavy melee attacks and potential opponent NPC's based around melee. But not a whole playable class centered around it.

Spanish is my 1st language, parents are Peruvian and Puerto Rican, and the context of the entire paragraph is talking about changes to the classes, but the specific wordage is talking as the changes are to EXISTING classes. It merely used our word "clase" to mean a "way" of approaching close combat.


Look, guys, here's the original text

El combate cercano toma tanta relevancia que incluso se ha creado específicamente una nueva clase que aproveche las habilidades del Heroe, "Heavy Melee".


Este no será el único cambio al sistema de clases, ya que ahora se permitra que todas usen cualquiera de las armas disponibles en el juego con limitaciones a su efectividad y al numero de estas que se puedan porta simultáneamente. La excepción seria la clase soldado, que podría llevar todas al mismo Tiempo




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A few people asking me about a new "heavy melee class". No new classes. All classes have improved melee and a class-specific heavy melee.


No new class. via Twitter.

Modifié par Gigasfist2000, 22 avril 2011 - 12:58 .


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VS? Im sorry..It's been a while since I had a playthrough. What does this refer to?

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VS? Im sorry..It's been a while since I had a playthrough. What does this refer to?


The Virmire Survior from the first game.

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.....aahhhh

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I.E. Kadian or Ashley is replacing you as a Human Spectre not aligned with Cerberus. I feel like this was a political move by the council to gloss over Shepherd's "fragile mental state" and belief in "fictitious beings called 'Reapers' "

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Tali being a Spectre would be an absolutely awful idea. Much worse than Kaidan or Ashley. Still, I don't see Kaidan or Ash as people who seem like they'd be good Spectres.

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michaelrsa wrote...

Tali being a Spectre would be an absolutely awful idea. Much worse than Kaidan or Ashley. Still, I don't see Kaidan or Ash as people who seem like they'd be good Spectres.

which is why I'm going to agree with it being a political move to keep humanity in the Spectres without it being shepard. 

Generally a galactic peacekeeper loses face when they, you know, blow up an entire system killing thousands upon thousands of civilians.

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michaelrsa wrote...

Tali being a Spectre would be an absolutely awful idea.


Yeah, I like Tali, but even The Shadow Broker outright states she has crappy leadership abilities. 

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Yeah, I like Tali, but even The Shadow Broker outright states she has crappy leadership abilities. 

It's not her leadership abilities, it's just that she's not an expert combattant.

If I want someone who can hold their against a larger force of opposing hostiles, I'll go with Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara and Jack. Tali fills the role of support and she does that well. She can't compete with the aforementioned people but she is just as important in the role she holds.

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[quote]michaelrsa wrote...

[quote]PrinceLionheart wrote...
Yeah, I like Tali, but even The Shadow Broker outright states she has crappy leadership abilities. 
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It's not her leadership abilities, it's just that she's not an expert combattant.

If I want someone who can hold their against a larger force of opposing hostiles, I'll go with Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara and Jack. Tali fills the role of support and she does that well. She can't compete with the aforementioned people but she is just as important in the role she holds.[/quote]

^this
Spectres don't really require any 'leadership' ability, because (apart from shepard) they seem to work alone, from what we've seen of other spectres.

Tali isn't a good enough combatant to work on her own like that, she's better with allies, and with a strong leader to guide her, like Shepard

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[quote]CamoBadger wrote...

[quote]michaelrsa wrote...

[quote]PrinceLionheart wrote...
Yeah, I like Tali, but even The Shadow Broker outright states she has crappy leadership abilities. 
[/quote]
It's not her leadership abilities, it's just that she's not an expert combattant.

If I want someone who can hold their against a larger force of opposing hostiles, I'll go with Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara and Jack. Tali fills the role of support and she does that well. She can't compete with the aforementioned people but she is just as important in the role she holds.[/quote]

^this
Spectres don't really require any 'leadership' ability, because (apart from shepard) they seem to work alone, from what we've seen of other spectres.

Tali isn't a good enough combatant to work on her own like that, she's better with allies, and with a strong leader to guide her, like Shepard

[/quote]
[/quote]

Grunt for Spectre Status 2011!!!

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Reapinger wrote...
Grunt for Spectre Status 2011!!!

WIN!

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Zaeed for spectre

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mrsph wrote...

Zaeed for spectre

He's too big of a goddamn hero to be a spectre

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By the time Shepard meets up with the two again, he hadn't seen them for more than two years. A lot can happen in that time. While Garrus, who was even described by the Shadow Broker intel as being inhibited under the direction of Shepard, and Tali both act absurdly codependent and drop almost everything to jump back on the Normandy because you asked them to, Ashley, Kaiden, Liara and Wrex all grew into their own. They all have personal goals and are highly invested in them.

At this time, I should think they have the capabilities enough to qualify for the Specters. They are Alliance agents, and don't make the mistake of thinking they're not skilled enough. Sure they were being led by Shepard, but think of the combat skill needed to survive all the hell Shepard's squad went through in the first game.

As of yet, we don't know the context by which the two are given the status. It might happen in game, and Shepard might even be able to recommend them, or it will happen off screen. It might work out as being an idiotic notion from the beginning, but it is definitely plausible enough given the enigma surrounding our lost time with them.

I'd like that this community not dive off the deep end every time one little piece of information is mentioned.

Heh, fat chance.

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CamoBadger wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Zaeed for spectre

He's too big of a goddamn hero to be a spectre

well said;)