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[Bullets McDeath]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Mr. Man wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Human-centric = less epic
Galaxy-centric = more epic

Period.

You can argue but your point is already moot. In an epic I always prefer more epic to less. BTW human-centric is a litttle racist: like all the other races in the galaxy that have been way more advanced for way longer than us and vastly outnumber us somehow aren't as important. All because what? One human happens to be cool? Doubtful. Not to metion if it weren't for the Turians and the first contact war we already would've mass accelerated ourselves into a black hole or some ridiculous thing, or unleashed some much more dangerous species and wiped ourselved out already.

Mass Effect has always been human-centric. Sheperd is HUMAN, Soveriegn was stopped by HUMANS, the game is played and developed by and for HUMANS. Everyone on the forums overwhelmingly wanted us to visit Earth in ME3. Now we can, the game may be human centric, but it has always been. Besides, it's not like after the Reapers take Earth their gonna be like "Ok, we be beat the squishy humans, let's go home" ALL the Galaxy is in danger.

God, I feel like I'm talking to the Turian councillor

Mass Effect initially was never human centric but rather galactic-centric (if that is even a word) that just happend to have you playing as a Human. The series seemed to shift towards this human-centric attitude with Mass Effect 2.

I agree with Ship.wreck when he says human-centric = less epic. To me, ME2's story suffered because it was too focused on humans, especially coming off of a game (ME1) in which the galaxy was in danger, not humanity.

Just imagine how much more epic and emotional ME2 would have been if Human colonies, Asari Colonies, Turian Colonies, Salarian Colonies etc.... were going missing instead of just humans?

I mean seriously, this whole Space Marine coming in to save Earth from Galactic Invaders is just getting too old. If Earth is the stage for the final battle, then I would be upset. Now if this "Earth Battle" takes place early in the game with the final battle taking place at the Citadel then that would be more epic. I was already a Space Marine saving Earth, that was called Halo 3.....I thought Bioware was more creative....

You were already a space marine saving the Citadel, too. Wouldn't you want Bioware to be more  "creative"?  Jazz, you are basing this off what MIGHT be the description on the back of the box. This is literally a textbook case of jumping to conclusions. You could not be more half-cocked if you were John Bobbit. Just chiiiiiillll ooouuutttt.

It is way too soon to gauge any potential "epicness". You're also already cherry-picking some things and ignoring others and all we have to go on is a PARAGRAPH!! You seem to forget the whole part about uniting the galaxy. That's not.. um, galaxy-centric? Wtfever that is supposed to mean? Have some faith, man. Or don't whatever, just quit rambling about nothing

Modifié par outlaworacle, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:57 .

[Saren100]

I was always a supporter of a human takeover of the council or some type of military coup by the alliance on the old mass effect forum on my old account but I never wanted that at the expense of taking the other species out of the storyline.

[Ship.wreck_]

[quote]Saren100 wrote...



[/quote]
You know what, truth be told, I always wanted to see earth too in the other two games, I was and am very currious about what our homeworld looks like in the ME future. I want to SEE it, on the ground with maybe one or two missions, That doesn't mean the whole Reaper invasion should inexplicably focus on it. They supposedly swept through the entire galaxy in one fell swoop before, why in the world focus on one planet now when they have the rescources to one fell swoop us?

[/quote]

The reapers didnt fell swoop anything 

They always snuck in destroying the main core of the fleets of other previous empires who would be assembled around the citadel.

Even after that it took centuries to eradicate civilizations

There was no fell swooping.
[/quote]

I got the distinct impression of some sort of fell swoopery....

[Ship.wreck_]

Vaenier wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...
I was already a Space Marine saving Earth, that was called Halo 3.....I thought Bioware was more creative....

G*d Damnit! Master Chief was a sailor! Master Chief is a Navy rank! Why will the Navy never get any credit in SciFi even when it's specifically referenced!!!!!????

The Navy evolved to function in space. It was the main military body in Halo, I dont understand what the problem is.

The problem is there's never any sailors! Theres Marines out the yin yang and marine ranks all over the place sgt etc etc... on rare occasions there's a Navy rank or fleet thrown out there but never EVER under any circumstances is anyone refered to specifically as a sailor! People don't even realize that the Navy ranks are navy ranks these games are so inundated with marines, as quoted above

[Vaenier]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...
I was already a Space Marine saving Earth, that was called Halo 3.....I thought Bioware was more creative....

G*d Damnit! Master Chief was a sailor! Master Chief is a Navy rank! Why will the Navy never get any credit in SciFi even when it's specifically referenced!!!!!????

The Navy evolved to function in space. It was the main military body in Halo, I dont understand what the problem is.

The problem is there's never any sailors! Theres Marines out the yin yang and marine ranks all over the place sgt etc etc... on rare occasions there's a Navy rank or fleet thrown out there but never EVER under any circumstances is anyone refered to specifically as a sailor! People don't even realize that the Navy ranks are navy ranks these games are so inundated with marines, as quoted above

nobody has actually used a sail in like 600 years... terms evolve to meet the current needs.

[Saren100]

[quote]Ship.wreck wrote...

[quote]Saren100 wrote...



[/quote]
You know what, truth be told, I always wanted to see earth too in the other two games, I was and am very currious about what our homeworld looks like in the ME future. I want to SEE it, on the ground with maybe one or two missions, That doesn't mean the whole Reaper invasion should inexplicably focus on it. They supposedly swept through the entire galaxy in one fell swoop before, why in the world focus on one planet now when they have the rescources to one fell swoop us?

[/quote]

The reapers didnt fell swoop anything 

They always snuck in destroying the main core of the fleets of other previous empires who would be assembled around the citadel.

Even after that it took centuries to eradicate civilizations

There was no fell swooping.
[/quote]

I got the distinct impression of some sort of fell swoopery....[/quote]

They fell swooped the citadel and the leaders of the ancient species.

But as we are told on ilos it took many centuries for the reapers to eradicate the civilizations of others.

[Ship.wreck_]

Vaenier wrote...
nobody has actually used a sail in like 600 years... terms evolve to meet the current needs.

HAHAHAHA! And yet we STILL use the term sailor! That's not the point dude:

This isn't websters dictionary terminology here, this is military tradition! You don't just get rid of the word Sailor just because nobody uses sails to fly in space, and if you did you'd have the decencey to get rid of the traditional Navy ranks too!

Besides what about solar sails???

[Ship.wreck_]

[quote]Saren100 wrote...

[quote]Ship.wreck wrote...

[quote]Saren100 wrote...



[/quote]
You know what, truth be told, I always wanted to see earth too in the other two games, I was and am very currious about what our homeworld looks like in the ME future. I want to SEE it, on the ground with maybe one or two missions, That doesn't mean the whole Reaper invasion should inexplicably focus on it. They supposedly swept through the entire galaxy in one fell swoop before, why in the world focus on one planet now when they have the rescources to one fell swoop us?

[/quote]

The reapers didnt fell swoop anything 

They always snuck in destroying the main core of the fleets of other previous empires who would be assembled around the citadel.

Even after that it took centuries to eradicate civilizations

There was no fell swooping.
[/quote]

I got the distinct impression of some sort of fell swoopery....[/quote]

They fell swooped the citadel and the leaders of the ancient species.

But as we are told on ilos it took many centuries for the reapers to eradicate the civilizations of others.
[/quote]

On the one hand I really just wanted to say fell swoopery, and it felt AWESOME! And at the same time thats legit, but I still think the reapers wiped everybody out quick! Yeah there were a couple centuries old hold outs, but not because it took the reapers that long to get to them, or because it was that hard fighting system to system along the way, but because maybe the reapers didn't even realize they were there at first, had to slowly sweep the galaxy for little overlooked pockets from the initial swoop.

SWOOP okay now find the leftovers, needles in a stack of dead planets!

[aeetos21]

People are basing an entire game off of one very early description... the single-mindedness will never cease to... (you know the rest). Okay since people seem to remember every single bit of ME1 but forgot the interviews with the DEVs who explained the premises for the three chapters I'll give you the short version:



1) ME1: light, introduce you to this epic new galaxy, make you feel like a hero, bigger storyline since there's more material to cover, lighter colors, constrained endings because there are two sequels that need to be based off the decisions in ME1.



2) ME2: dark second act, darker colors, seedy underbelly of the ME universe, the bridge between the original and the conclusion - not much room for plot development - designed to setup ME3, correct the mistakes and issues people took with ME1, expand on the RPG elements and storytelling, master the unreal engine, a more personal story for Shepard: "Like Avatar only better written" - Time, "The Empire Strikes Back of video games" - IGN, GoTY.



3) ME3, the conclusion to Shepard's story, the final confrontation with the reapers, return of some of the ME1 squadmates, confrontation between ME1 and ME2 LI (confirmed), back to a balance of light and dark colors/themes, has people jumping to conclusions who are driving people like me insane, more "epic" than ME2 in the nature that earth will be one of the first targets of the invasion and you must assemble a galactic fleet to save it and other worlds (does anyone here TRULY believe BW will stop at just earth?), rumored to have multiplayer (which so far is the only thing that has me worried).



Now for the final nail in the coffin. We all saw the description of ME3 on the EA site - its been posted here I don't know how many times - so how about a little show and tell:



"THEY DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SURVIVE. Entire human colonies on many worlds are vanishing. As Commander Shepard, you must assemble the galaxy's deadliest team to save mankind against impossible odds. They call it a suicide mission. PROVE THEM WRONG."



That's the description on the back of my ME2 CE box, now it gives you the basic premise of ME2's story but how much does it REALLY reveal given what we know now? Keep in mind this was the description they gave to us the day ME2 was released, what we see of ME3 now is the most earliest description that we will get. So allow me to say this one more time: take a deep breath and chill.

[Ship.wreck_]

aeetos21 wrote...

People are basing an entire game off of one very early description... the single-mindedness will never cease to... (you know the rest). Okay since people seem to remember every single bit of ME1 but forgot the interviews with the DEVs who explained the premises for the three chapters I'll give you the short version:

1) ME1: light, introduce you to this epic new galaxy, make you feel like a hero, bigger storyline since there's more material to cover, lighter colors, constrained endings because there are two sequels that need to be based off the decisions in ME1.

2) ME2: dark second act, darker colors, seedy underbelly of the ME universe, the bridge between the original and the conclusion - not much room for plot development - designed to setup ME3, correct the mistakes and issues people took with ME1, expand on the RPG elements and storytelling, master the unreal engine, a more personal story for Shepard: "Like Avatar only better written" - Time, "The Empire Strikes Back of video games" - IGN, GoTY.

3) ME3, the conclusion to Shepard's story, the final confrontation with the reapers, return of some of the ME1 squadmates, confrontation between ME1 and ME2 LI (confirmed), back to a balance of light and dark colors/themes, has people jumping to conclusions who are driving people like me insane, more "epic" than ME2 in the nature that earth will be one of the first targets of the invasion and you must assemble a galactic fleet to save it and other worlds (does anyone here TRULY believe BW will stop at just earth?), rumored to have multiplayer (which so far is the only thing that has me worried).

Now for the final nail in the coffin. We all saw the description of ME3 on the EA site - its been posted here I don't know how many times - so how about a little show and tell:

"THEY DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SURVIVE. Entire human colonies on many worlds are vanishing. As Commander Shepard, you must assemble the galaxy's deadliest team to save mankind against impossible odds. They call it a suicide mission. PROVE THEM WRONG."

That's the description on the back of my ME2 CE box, now it gives you the basic premise of ME2's story but how much does it REALLY reveal given what we know now? Keep in mind this was the description they gave to us the day ME2 was released, what we see of ME3 now is the most earliest description that we will get. So allow me to say this one more time: take a deep breath and chill.

I REITERATE:
At chick talking about freakouts: this is way less about my faith in BW and way more about randomly speculating on the direction the series may or may not take and wether or not I like it in an abstract and admitedly douchey way... that's on all counts not just mine.

And for the record I never saw the interviews or the trailors... But cool.

[Saren100]

I remember those interviews from way back when but its been a long time so I didnt want to referance them and make a mistake.



Whatever Bioware makes I will buy the first midnight of its release and then stay home a week to play but that doesnt mean I can be happy about them adding Multiplayer to the game.



Whatever people want to say about MP not taking away from the SP side of the game the truth is it will have to take away to be able to keep this game on 2 discs.



Unless they add a 3rd disc which would probably be very costly.

[Ship.wreck_]

Saren100 wrote...

I remember those interviews from way back when but its been a long time so I didnt want to referance them and make a mistake.

Whatever Bioware makes I will buy the first midnight of its release and then stay home a week to play but that doesnt mean I can be happy about them adding Multiplayer to the game.

Whatever people want to say about MP not taking away from the SP side of the game the truth is it will have to take away to be able to keep this game on 2 discs.

Unless they add a 3rd disc which would probably be very costly.

Oh now I get the objections to mp. Makes perfect sense, like COD epicly crappy SP because it's ALL about the MP. Not that this is going to be anywhere near as bad, just one potential step in the wrong direction...

[aeetos21]

I REITERATE:
At chick talking about freakouts: this is way less about my faith in BW and way more about randomly speculating on the direction the series may or may not take and wether or not I like it in an abstract and admitedly douchey way... that's on all counts not just mine.

And for the record I never saw the interviews or the trailors... But cool.

Yes I'm a "chick" whose spent over 500 hours on a single maleshep while romancing ash in me1 and miranda in me2... oh well, anyone could make that mistake given my avatar. anyway, no harm no foul

the interviews... **** trying to remember them - been years but i do remember one where they said (i'm paraphrasing here so bear with): "you can become romantically involved with someone in me1 and continue that romance throughout the trilogy." that and the fact that ashley and kaidan could only die on virmire (a choice you are given complete control over) basically guarantees that they will be a squaddy in me3. i believe that goes for liara too though with LotSB i'm less sure about her role as a squadmate.

definitely sure about me2 about being the "empire strikes back of the trilogy", don't know how many times the devs termed it like that. anyway here's one old interview i bookmarked with JH a while back because at the time it revealed a lot of the changes BW hinted at making between ME1 and ME2 and why they were making those changes. again there are lots of other interviews but since its been nearly a year post launch it'd be easier just to wait a few more months till e3 (when BW will undoubtedly be revealing much more about me3) and getting the full story then. still if you're curious here's the link.

[KingDan97]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

I remember those interviews from way back when but its been a long time so I didnt want to referance them and make a mistake.

Whatever Bioware makes I will buy the first midnight of its release and then stay home a week to play but that doesnt mean I can be happy about them adding Multiplayer to the game.

Whatever people want to say about MP not taking away from the SP side of the game the truth is it will have to take away to be able to keep this game on 2 discs.

Unless they add a 3rd disc which would probably be very costly.

Oh now I get the objections to mp. Makes perfect sense, like COD epicly crappy SP because it's ALL about the MP. Not that this is going to be anywhere near as bad, just one potential step in the wrong direction...

My primary concern about multiplayer is that, even if it's made by a separate team there will be the nagging issue with any real problems in ME3 were caused by that allocation of resources. People would cry "But it was made by a different group!" while the other side would retort "But they were taking away from the resources SP had!" and honestly, no matter how valid a point one has, it could be either.

Additonally, I personally don't see ME's tactical combat will translate to MP. "Look at AC:B!" Isn't really a fair comparison because AC was always about stealth, it was slow sure, but it was also about quick, decisive tactics and actions. In ME, your strength is in how you approach your enemies by seeing who they are and switching hotkey'd which wouldn't translate to MP well. In addition, how will they handle opening the combat wheel? "Please wait XX is selecting a power?" BOORING

[Cossack72]

"Your planets will be our laboratories"-Harbinger

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm not sure Harbinger ever said so. 

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Ship.wreck_]

KingDan97 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

I remember those interviews from way back when but its been a long time so I didnt want to referance them and make a mistake.

Whatever Bioware makes I will buy the first midnight of its release and then stay home a week to play but that doesnt mean I can be happy about them adding Multiplayer to the game.

Whatever people want to say about MP not taking away from the SP side of the game the truth is it will have to take away to be able to keep this game on 2 discs.

Unless they add a 3rd disc which would probably be very costly.

Oh now I get the objections to mp. Makes perfect sense, like COD epicly crappy SP because it's ALL about the MP. Not that this is going to be anywhere near as bad, just one potential step in the wrong direction...

My primary concern about multiplayer is that, even if it's made by a separate team there will be the nagging issue with any real problems in ME3 were caused by that allocation of resources. People would cry "But it was made by a different group!" while the other side would retort "But they were taking away from the resources SP had!" and honestly, no matter how valid a point one has, it could be either.

Additonally, I personally don't see ME's tactical combat will translate to MP. "Look at AC:B!" Isn't really a fair comparison because AC was always about stealth, it was slow sure, but it was also about quick, decisive tactics and actions. In ME, your strength is in how you approach your enemies by seeing who they are and switching hotkey'd which wouldn't translate to MP well. In addition, how will they handle opening the combat wheel? "Please wait XX is selecting a power?" BOORING

I think most of that could be solved by allowing players to select their race including synthetics, so there would still be the issue of adjusting tactics for different types of enemies.

As for the power wheel, you'll just have to use hotkeys for your powers it seems like that wheel is 90% for controlling squad members since all your powers can be hotkey'd anyway. And you won't have direct controll of your team members when they're other people.

[Ship.wreck_]

aeetos21 wrote...

I REITERATE:
At chick talking about freakouts: this is way less about my faith in BW and way more about randomly speculating on the direction the series may or may not take and wether or not I like it in an abstract and admitedly douchey way... that's on all counts not just mine.

And for the record I never saw the interviews or the trailors... But cool.

Yes I'm a "chick" whose spent over 500 hours on a single maleshep while romancing ash in me1 and miranda in me2... oh well, anyone could make that mistake given my avatar. anyway, no harm no foul

the interviews... **** trying to remember them - been years but i do remember one where they said (i'm paraphrasing here so bear with): "you can become romantically involved with someone in me1 and continue that romance throughout the trilogy." that and the fact that ashley and kaidan could only die on virmire (a choice you are given complete control over) basically guarantees that they will be a squaddy in me3. i believe that goes for liara too though with LotSB i'm less sure about her role as a squadmate.

definitely sure about me2 about being the "empire strikes back of the trilogy", don't know how many times the devs termed it like that. anyway here's one old interview i bookmarked with JH a while back because at the time it revealed a lot of the changes BW hinted at making between ME1 and ME2 and why they were making those changes. again there are lots of other interviews but since its been nearly a year post launch it'd be easier just to wait a few more months till e3 (when BW will undoubtedly be revealing much more about me3) and getting the full story then. still if you're curious here's the link.

Really? I'm not offended when people call me dude, dawg, hommes, etc etc anything besides "sir". It's your right but please don't be offended when I say chick, it's a dialect and there's nothing derogatory about it... yo.

[008Zulu]

No. You all cant believe in all honesty that these "accidentle leaks" are true do you? This is Bioware people, the minds behind Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Dragon Age. Do you really think they would fallback on the old cliché of aliens invading the Earth? Honestly after all the effort put in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the character development and rich backstories, only to have it end in such a mediocre fashion.

Seriously?

Modifié par 008Zulu, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Vaenier]

008Zulu wrote...

No. You all cant believe in all honesty that these "accidentle leaks" are true do you? This is Bioware people, the minds behind Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Dragon Age. Do you really think they would fallback on the old cliché of aliens invading the Earth? Honestly after all the effort put in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the character development and rich backstories, only to have it end in such a mediocre fashion.

Seriously?

We are cold hearted cynical bastards who think the worst of the world after having our hopes and dreams crushed numerous times.

Or maybe I just speak for myself there...

[PraetorianGuard]

Weren't people complaining that they didn't get to see Earth? Now they are complaining that Earth will be a level in the game?

TBH This thread is usless due to purely speculaltion from unoffical source.

Modifié par PraetorianGuard, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Mr. Man]

Saren100 wrote...

I was always a supporter of a human takeover of the council or some type of military coup by the alliance on the old mass effect forum on my old account but I never wanted that at the expense of taking the other species out of the storyline.

What part of 'unite the galaxy' is confusing to you. Aliens haven't all of a sudden vanished from the plot. Anyway, at this point all we have for the 'plot' of ME3 is an unofficial source that is a small paragraph in length.

[KainrycKarr]

As long as the entire game doesn't revolve around humanity and Earth. There's a whole galaxy out there, and Earth has been given enough attention.

[Ship.wreck_]

Vaenier wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

No. You all cant believe in all honesty that these "accidentle leaks" are true do you? This is Bioware people, the minds behind Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Dragon Age. Do you really think they would fallback on the old cliché of aliens invading the Earth? Honestly after all the effort put in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the character development and rich backstories, only to have it end in such a mediocre fashion.

Seriously?

We are cold hearted cynical bastards who think the worst of the world after having our hopes and dreams crushed numerous times.

Or maybe I just speak for myself there...

MWAHAHAHAHAHA! What he said!

EDIT
It's one thing to be able to explore the earth or have a mission on it, quite another to have the whole galaxy revolve around it, so to speak.

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 11 décembre 2010 - 10:21 .