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[upsettingshorts]

Spacephobic wrote...

I still don't understand why people are judging the entire game based off of the combat aspect. Sure, the animations are different, but the best things about Dragon Age are the RPG elements, such as decision-making and reactivity. To tell the truth, if I saw a trailer showing the gameplay of Dragon Age: Origins, I wouldn't be too impressed. The combat is alright (sometimes even fun), but it isn't the greatest.

People have different opinions on what constitutes both the best things about Dragon Age and what RPG elements even are.  Hence threads like this and others.

[Atakuma]

filetemo wrote...

If I wanted something awesome to happen everytime I press a button, I'd work at a nuclear powerplant

You have severely overestimated the awesomeness of working at a nuclear plant.

[ErichHartmann]

Brockololly wrote...

Aesthetically, I think the new combat looks utterly ridiculous and comical.

Shuffling around is better?  You must really hate most games with stylized combat.  No more ridiculous than KOTOR and Jade Empire.      

[Apollo Starflare]

inclemency wrote...

Seems to me the the real 'hardcore fans' are story-driven fans rather than 20-ft high finishing leaps fans.

The funny thing about this is a lot of the folks I see not caring about the 20 ft high leaps (an exaggeration) are those who are just happy if the story is good and will enjoy the combat regardless. The people threatening to boycott the game etc. Are the ones overly concerned about leaping (or rather, not) and what have you.

[Tiax Rules All]

Maria Caliban wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Seems to me the the real 'hardcore fans' are story-driven fans rather than 20-ft high finishing leaps fans.

If only it were possible to be both.

sadly it is not. If Bioware developed its fan base off of 20ft high jumps and teleport attacks maybe.. but thier roots lie in D&D

[filetemo]

Atakuma wrote...

filetemo wrote...

If I wanted something awesome to happen everytime I press a button, I'd work at a nuclear powerplant

You have severely overestimated the awesomeness of working at a nuclear plant.

Homer Simpson disagrees.

[Brockololly]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Aesthetically, I think the new combat looks utterly ridiculous and comical.

I'd go with "overstylised". It looks a lot like the animatic, funnily.

Eh, its over the top to the extent that it reminds me of something like Kill Bill and the Crazy 88s fight scene. Now I love Kill Bill, but when I'm thinking of "dark heroic fantasy" thats not what I'm thinking of.

[upsettingshorts]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

sadly it is not.

Yes it is.

It's easy:  You just have to honestly believe the concepts are not mutually exclusive.  

[Dr. Explosion]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Seems to me the the real 'hardcore fans' are story-driven fans rather than 20-ft high finishing leaps fans.

If only it were possible to be both.

sadly it is not. If Bioware developed its fan base off of 20ft high jumps and teleport attacks maybe.. but thier roots lie in D&D

Doesn't D&D have a jump skill that can be used in combat? and don't it have several spells and magical abilities letting PCs and enemies teleport ?

just sayin'

Modifié par Conall Cameron, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Addai]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Spacephobic wrote...

I still don't understand why people are judging the entire game based off of the combat aspect. Sure, the animations are different, but the best things about Dragon Age are the RPG elements, such as decision-making and reactivity. To tell the truth, if I saw a trailer showing the gameplay of Dragon Age: Origins, I wouldn't be too impressed. The combat is alright (sometimes even fun), but it isn't the greatest.

People have different opinions on what constitutes both the best things about Dragon Age and what RPG elements even are.  Hence threads like this and others.

You have a new avatar.  I think I need time to adjust.

In the meantime, to the OP:  I wouldn't say "dislike" because of course most of us haven't played it, so you'll never really know until you do.  What makes me squick a little is not the mechanics I'm seeing but the aesthetics which is going in the direction of comic and over the top.  Something dies inside me (a small something, but something) when I see a mere mortal swinging a heavy, ridiculously jagged metal sword like it's made of plastic.  Rogues flipping and teleporting, same thing.

[Tiax Rules All]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Aesthetically, I think the new combat looks utterly ridiculous and comical.

Shuffling around is better?  You must really hate most games with stylized combat.  No more ridiculous than KOTOR and Jade Empire.      

the shuffling wasnt that bad, I think alot of it is marketing to make you think it was bad to justify the new direction. I thought the speed was fine. but then again I dont like hack and slash speeds and gameplay

[Tiax Rules All]

Conall Cameron wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Seems to me the the real 'hardcore fans' are story-driven fans rather than 20-ft high finishing leaps fans.

If only it were possible to be both.

sadly it is not. If Bioware developed its fan base off of 20ft high jumps and teleport attacks maybe.. but thier roots lie in D&D

Doesn't D&D have a jump skill that can be used in combat? and don't it have several spells and magical abilities letting PCs and enemies teleport ?

just sayin'

nice try but clearly you dont understand

[Brockololly]

ErichHartmann wrote...
Shuffling around is better?  You must really hate most games with stylized combat.  No more ridiculous than KOTOR and Jade Empire.      

There is a middle ground to be had between Origins' shuffling and magically teleporting around at the speed of light  complete with speed lines. That middle ground is called Arkham Asylum.

[upsettingshorts]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

the shuffling wasnt that bad,

I despised it.  It was only slightly behind ridiculously slow two-handed animations on my list of "things I really hope they change about combat in DA:2."

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I think alot of it is marketing to make you think it was bad to justify the new direction.

They didn't need to justify some of these changes to me. 

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I thought the speed was fine. but then again I dont like hack and slash speeds

That's cool, I understand completely.  I thought many of the attacks could have used more speed, but it's basically an aesthetic preference one way or the other.

Tiax Rules All wrote...

and gameplay

This is not happening.

Brockololly wrote...

There is a middle ground to be had between Origins' shuffling and magically teleporting around at the speed of light  complete with speed lines. That middle ground is called Arkham Asylum. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

No, it's called Age of Conan. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[Tiax Rules All]

hehe, i like you UpsettingShorts.

I never really mind that you disagree with me. You make sense
what was I again? reactionary force?

part of my sig wont load, ANNOYING!

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Ziggeh]

Brockololly wrote...

Eh, its over the top to the extent that it reminds me of something like Kill Bill and the Crazy 88s fight scene. Now I love Kill Bill, but when I'm thinking of "dark heroic fantasy" thats not what I'm thinking of.

I really hate that film.

But yes, it's the one element that I feel really jarrs with the previous experience. But I can see why they would push it overboard, in terms of perceptions, and I find I judge such things upon how comfortable with them after long periods. Maybe it'll grow on me in a way sutblety wouldn't. A concern for me, but not a biggy.

[upsettingshorts]

In that category system of mine? Um... I think you were a reactionary or conservative. Depends if you thought DA:2 should be as close to DA:O as possible, or incorporate more traditional RPG elements from older games.

[TheCreeper]

Because a number of people thought that this would stick to the more classic RPG style of combat in Origins, and a change from that to whatever DA2 is probably going to be a big change, and even if it's good (Which in my opinion it likely will be) there are going to be people are pissed that it's less like Origins and Baldur's Gate.

[Apollo Starflare]

The shuffling was bad, nk'ay?

[Tiax Rules All]

@UpsettingShorts

traditional rpg elements



Reactionary force UNITE!

[Maria Caliban]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Seems to me the the real 'hardcore fans' are story-driven fans rather than 20-ft high finishing leaps fans.

If only it were possible to be both.

sadly it is not. If Bioware developed its fan base off of 20ft high jumps and teleport attacks maybe.. but thier roots lie in D&D

It's true. My warlock can teleport attack, but only jumps 12 feet high and 40 feet across.

[upsettingshorts]

TheCreeper wrote...

 there are going to be people are pissed that it's less like Origins

Conservatives!

TheCreeper wrote...

and Baldur's Gate.

Reactionaries!

...the distinction is significant because these two groups are likely to be critical of the changes for different reasons, and suggest different alternatives.  Such labels are rarely entirely accurate or universally applicable though.

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Reactionary force UNITE!

Haha I remember now, you finally get to use your flag!

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

@UpsettingShorts
traditional rpg elements

Reactionary force UNITE!

-snip-

Man, even Baldur's Gate had faster combat animations than Origins'.

[Apollo Starflare]

The much vaunted 'teleport' attack is just flicker, but that little detail seems conveniently forgotten most of the time.



The dash attack isn't a teleport.

[Ryzaki]

Eh. I'm not fond of it because it just looks ugly.



I don' care about the jumping and teleporting so much (favorite game is KH2 were you do that in spades) just doesn't look right.