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[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

Incest isn't so much taboo as it is biologically irresponsible. Think of the gene pool! And wow, we've turned this thread into a boob thread and a "can I romance my sister" thread. We must be bored today.

And there's birthcontrol and no need for the two of them to have kids so the genepool excuse only goes so far. Plus I wouldn't mind romancing Bethany with FemHawke so the genepool excuse holds no water.

[Leonia]

But it's still..creepy.

[RohanD]

You don't need citations, it's just simple logic. The less equipment in the game, the less you have to spend on hours to create the graphics for that equipment. With a development cycle of roughly 1 year, they are looking to create a game which can capitalize on the financial success of DA:O as quickly and as cheaply as possible so as to maximize profit.

It wouldn't be such a huge surprise to me if DA:O went over its budget, and part of the deal they inked with EA was that they would absorb some of the costs (since the acquisition happened after DA:O development started), IF Bioware would work their asses off to quickly recoup and make good on those absorbed costs.

It explains a lot of why they are going for the gold here. I support them going for the gold, don't be mistaken. Quality companies who make good products deserve every reward that's coming to them.

However, if you look at the sales figures of DA:O and the reviews, you'll see that the game was widely, and rightly, praised from pretty much all angles. Why then, would they change so much? Again, logic is your friend. They have made as many changes as they can to reduce development time, which in turn reduce costs, which in turn can potentially provide huge gains for them and EA at a lower cost than the first game.

It makes huge business sense, and if I was EA, I'd be telling them to do just this. But I'm a customer, and I loved Baldur's Gate, and I loved Origins, and I'm sad that they are changing so much because honestly, there hasn't been a good party based cRPG since BG, and I'm fearful that Origins might be the last one we get.

That being said, Final Fantasy (which I also like except for IX and XIII) has had good success changing gameplay mechanics but keeping core values the same...so perhaps Bioware is going for this kind of approach. I guess we'll find out in March. That being said...XIII was really disappointing.



Oh and @Ortaya, but his green eyes and armour are so cool...

[Ryzaki]

Alot of things are creepy. I don't begrudge consenting adults doing whatever.

[Tiax Rules All]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Bethany has dramatically increased the chances of my Hawke being the "Ugly Sister".

I lol'ed    Default Lady Hawke might not have huge exposed breasts but neck uo she is a stone cold fox

[GodWood]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...
Bethany has dramatically increased the chances of my Hawke being the "Ugly Sister".

Nahh I imagine Beth will be the "Wow I wish I was as smart as you sis" "You were always so much prettier than me"  "The guys were always more interested in you" type of sister.

I hope I'm wrong.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Could we get back to boobs, please? Discussion of incestuous affairs leaves a bad taste.

[Ryzaki]

GodWood wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...
Bethany has dramatically increased the chances of my Hawke being the "Ugly Sister".

Nahh I imagine Beth will be the "Wow I wish I was as smart as you sis" "You were always so much prettier than me"  "The guys were always more interested in you" type of sister.

I hope I'm wrong.

*gags* I hate stuff like that. I just want them to be friendly.

Though...I wonder how the rival path works with Bethany? 

Edit: Still Bethany...if only I could romance you.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:48 .

[mellifera]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Could we get back to boobs, please? Discussion of incestuous affairs leaves a bad taste.

Yeah, seriously

[Sylvius the Mad]

To answer Maria's original question, I don't understand why this change is limited only to the companions. Why can Hawke still change his outfit if the companions can't? And, perhaps more importantly, is it possible to play the game such that the same garment rules apply to everyone equally? Can we give Hawke a single look and upgrade it throughout the game?

My bigger concern with the fixed companion outfits has to deal with how they'll look if we use them in roles that BioWare didn't foresee. If we give Isabela the equivalent of Massive armour so she can do some tanking, she'll still look unprotected. That will look silly, and seems to run contrary to the explicit objectives of prohibiting the use of cross-class weapons.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see how it's less work to create a handful of unique and detailed armors, different body types and unique animations than to simply recolor a handful of other armors that fit one body type with one set of animations.

[upsettingshorts]

RohanD wrote...

You don't need citations, it's just simple logic.

*spit take*

RohanD wrote...

[snips paragraph after paragraph of assumptions]

Even if we take your arguments at face value, how do you know with any certainty that the time and resources that would have been used on additional armor models weren't simply allocated elsewhere?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 décembre 2010 - 06:51 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Addai67 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If I had to pick one, I'd say the latter. I'm not really objecting, but that being said I saw nothing wrong with say Mass Effect 1 builds - for men and women.

I tend to think that the people who reliably deliver a diverse sampling of strong female perspectives have better intentions than just fanservice for the sake of it. But maybe that's just me.

So Isabela and Bethany are that well-endowed... for story purposes?  Oh, I've got to hear this one.

Firstly I disagree that something that isn't fanservice has to have a story purpose. Secondly, women exist on either end of the bell curve of breast size. I think a friend of mine with something like Isabela's build might appreciate seeing someone like herself kicking butt. There is a bias towards the bigger end of the bell curve, obviously, but... whatever. They're boobs. They are not representative of anything. Breast size has no meaning. She is a make-believe woman with breasts that happen to be large and we can't know the motivation behind making them that way. It doesn't bother me, though it would if a modeler came out and said YEAH WE JUST DECIDED TO MAKE 'EM HUGE. CUZ, LOL WE LOVE BEWBS.

Edit: Though it would be refreshing someday to have a sexually liberated (and mentally stable) female character of average to small endowments...

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[Maria Caliban]

leonia42 wrote...

Incest isn't so much taboo as it is biologically irresponsible. Think of the gene pool!

My PC is female.

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Bethany has dramatically increased the chances of my Hawke being the "Ugly Sister".

I lol'ed    Default Lady Hawke might not have huge exposed breasts but neck uo she is a stone cold fox

Indeed. Default Lady Hawke is rather attractive.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[Liyros]

I'm perfectly fine with individualized companion outfits as long as they aren't like Miranda, Jacob, or Samara.  Isabela is fine in her outfit, unless there's going to be unfortunate angles focusing on her ass.  Deary me I hope not.  DA's boobs at least aren't as ridiculous as TOR's.  Blergh.

RohanD wrote...

- snip -

However, if you look at the sales figures of DA:O and the reviews, you'll see that the game was widely, and rightly, praised from pretty much all angles. Why then, would they change so much? Again, logic is your friend. They have made as many changes as they can to reduce development time, which in turn reduce costs, which in turn can potentially provide huge gains for them and EA at a lower cost than the first game.

That begs the question of which is more profitable: being leading innovator of change in a market or maintaining the successful status quo?

- edit - ^ that question there is off-topic, don't mind me.

Modifié par Saslic, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[upsettingshorts]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Edit: Though it would be refreshing someday to have a sexually liberated (and mentally stable) female character of average to small endowments...

*thinks*

April Ryan?

Saslic wrote...

 DA's boobs at least aren't as ridiculous as TOR's.  Blergh.

TOR has ridiculous boobs? 

*runs off to check*

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[GodWood]

TOR been boobified?

[Leonia]

GodWood wrote...

TOR been boobified?

Well it does have romances so.. you gotta assume there are boobs some where..

[Tiax Rules All]

Redonkulous boobs in TOR is news to me too.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Edit: Though it would be refreshing someday to have a sexually liberated (and mentally stable) female character of average to small endowments...

*thinks*

April Ryan?

And we've found something Upsettingshorts can't connect to Age of Conan.

Is April sexually liberated?

leonia42 wrote...

Well it does have romances so.. you gotta assume there are boobs some where..

Yah. All over their damn forum.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[Super_Fr33k]

I wasn't initially sure how to feel up this boob discussion... I was groping around a bit at first, I admit, but things have finally jiggled into place.



Yes, that was completely necessary.



Serious, considering how floozie-licious Miranda and Samara were, not to mention Morrigan's most excellent side boobage, that both Bethany and Isabela are wearing significant amounts of clothing is in itself an accomplishment.



Considering how much acrobatic what-have-you Isabela will be doing though, it begs the question... can we find magic sports bras for her? I'd think that'd have to win a lot approval (friendship points, w/e).

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

And we've found something Upsettingshorts can't connect to Age of Conan.

Please, the boob sliders in that game go from HUGE to EXTRA HUGE.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Is April sexually liberated?

*shrug* 

I don't remember enough of the story.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Edit: Though it would be refreshing someday to have a sexually liberated (and mentally stable) female character of average to small endowments...

*thinks*

April Ryan?

And we've found something Upsettingshorts can't connect to Age of Conan.

Well, we're talking about average to small endowments.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Edit: Though it would be refreshing someday to have a sexually liberated (and mentally stable) female character of average to small endowments...

*thinks*

April Ryan?

Sadly, have not played that game. On first glance she looks awesome!

Though I meant more... subverting or averting the buxom/volumptuous = sexual preconception. I don't know about April but I'm assuming she's not the type to offer you "favors" in exchange for a favor a la Isabela. Petite girls have naughty feelings too.

Oh the off-topic. To get back on track, me love unique outfits long time.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 11 décembre 2010 - 07:17 .