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[nightcobra]

SirOccam wrote...

I've never heard Isabela described as "an assassin/thief that wants to sneak around."

she might act like a reckless lupin, where she announces to her victim that she's going to rob him/her and have fun in the process:lol:

[Maria Caliban]

I'd suggest that both 'pirate' and 'swashbuckler' imply a certain flashiness. A certain brazen attitude.

[tmp7704]

Piecake wrote...

Or they couldstill be tweaking and balancing outfit runes, Hawkes armour, and weapon runes, and dont want to say anything yet since its not definite yet. 

Because they didn't talk about and demonstrate other features when they were still subject to tweaking, rebalancing and redesign. Or shown screenshots and videos from what's still work in progress.

Honestly, it's rather reaching, isn't it?

[Tinxa]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Left for a day or so & it jumped ten pages! I breezed through it so I may be a little behind, but we're talking about unique styles, statistical advancement, & "awkwardness of Isabela in plate" right?

So I'll shoot, unique outfits make the characters distinctive but they then loose their familiarity with others. Normal people do not wear "nipple belts" or walk around without pants. This extreme wardrobe change distances the character enough to make them foreign to everyone, whilst a less extreme outfit will allow them to look more like normal people. If Isabela is such an assassin/thief that wants to sneak around why is she dressed in white, & dress in a revealing outfit? An outfit can be unique without looking alien. Like Bethany's first outfit with the bit of chainmail. That is a great suedo-normal look, Aveline's heavy armor is suitable as long as she doesn't go into areas that are unfamiliar to armored personnel. You wear different clothes to different activities. You wear hiking boots & durable clothes to camp in, you wear formal attire to important events, & wear armor in battle! I find it odd that Shepard wore full combat gear into a danceclub, he should have been thrown out on his [butt].

Has anyone given a good excuse to why you need high strength to wear armor?

Plenty of people walk about without pants, just as kanyone who uses dresses/skirts. And the tunic or toga waring people of greece and Rome for that matter.

That's true but wearing a short skirt with a thong is usually a bad idea. You can't sit on anything not padded with fabric for one. That's my main gripe with Isabela's outfit, she should have short shorts underneath or something like the Tevinter mage robes had.

[Piecake]

tmp7704 wrote...

Piecake wrote...

Or they couldstill be tweaking and balancing outfit runes, Hawkes armour, and weapon runes, and dont want to say anything yet since its not definite yet. 

Because they didn't talk about and demonstrate other features when they were still subject to tweaking, rebalancing and redesign. Or shown screenshots and videos from what's still work in progress.

Honestly, it's rather reaching, isn't it?

So was your conclusion.  And that was sort of my point

[Rohx]

i only ask that they give us plenty of companions outfits!



and i mean one of the things about ME2 that i didnt like was there was only 2 looks for every "companion".



i hope in DA2, we can have more companions looks for them, some skimpy outfit, some down to eath "realistic" and some in the middle of those.



because Some love the chainmail bikinis, and some love the full plate that is "realistic".



conclution more than a couple outfits for our companions!

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

True, but that followed

So our goal with everyone who joins your party in Dragon Age 2 is to give them a look and a character and a progression that all kinda hang together like one complete unit.

Itals mine. So I took the bit you quoted to mean was that there is a clear role for each NPC, but that we have control within that vision of the character's... style? But that's probably because I already knew that the design was about enforcing class styles more strictly -- I think that was made clear in Peter Thomas' gameplay thread.

I hadn't noticed that.

I've played large swaths of DAO with 7 different characters, and each of them uses the companions very differently - mostly because it makes the replays more interesting, and partly because different builds offerent different synergies, so if the PC is different it makes sense to change up the rest of the party as well.  I know BioWare is explicitly not catering to replayability (because most players don't replay games), but this is a serious blow to replayability if it is true.  It's also a serious blow to customisability of the party as an effective combat unit.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Rohx wrote...

i only ask that they give us plenty of companions outfits!

and i mean one of the things about ME2 that i didnt like was there was only 2 looks for every "companion".

i hope in DA2, we can have more companions looks for them, some skimpy outfit, some down to eath "realistic" and some in the middle of those.

because Some love the chainmail bikinis, and some love the full plate that is "realistic".

conclution more than a couple outfits for our companions!

I suspect we will need mods to supply that.

[tmp7704]

Piecake wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Honestly, it's rather reaching, isn't it?

So was your conclusion.  And that was sort of my point

Hmm i wouldn't consider reasoning which uses "They did X things this way so it's likely they're handling another thing in the same manner" to be equally reaching as "They did X things this way but perhaps this one thing, they will handle exactly opposite" as equally reaching ... but i suppose it is rather pointless to ponder either way.

[Piecake]

tmp7704 wrote...

Piecake wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Honestly, it's rather reaching, isn't it?

So was your conclusion.  And that was sort of my point

Hmm i wouldn't consider reasoning which uses "They did X things this way so it's likely they're handling another thing in the same manner" to be equally reaching as "They did X things this way but perhaps this one thing, they will handle exactly opposite" as equally reaching ... but i suppose it is rather pointless to ponder either way.

You are assuming that runes wont be more useful this time around since they werent in DAO and because bioware hasnt said anything, even though Bioware has barely given us any information.  (If they wanted to give us positive information they would simply release PC gameplay)

I am assuming that runes will be more powerful because the rune system has changed and they are playing are more important and prominent role in DA2, and I think it would just be foolish not to make them more useful since that would help appease the min/max crowd

We are both assuming. 

[tmp7704]

Piecake wrote...

(If they wanted to give us positive information they would simply release PC gameplay)

Unless the PC gameplay wouldn't provide positive information ... in which case it makes quite some sense we've barely seen any

[snfonseka]

I have a feeling that there will be several "alternative appearance packs" that we need to buy if we want to change their outfits.

[Piecake]

tmp7704 wrote...

Piecake wrote...

(If they wanted to give us positive information they would simply release PC gameplay)

Unless the PC gameplay wouldn't provide positive information ... in which case it makes quite some sense we've barely seen any

Well, what is positive information is subjective.  Has any information on a new change been overwhelmingly positive?  The only one I can think of is the new friendship/rivalry system and they just introduced that like 2 weeks ago in a thread. 

So basically, I have an issue with your statement that they would release positive information because what is positive is dependent on the player.  What I think is positive, you might disagree with, and visa-versa.  So how is Bioware supposed to know what changes will recieve overwhelmingly positive support?

[Matchy Pointy]

Tinxa wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Left for a day or so & it jumped ten pages! I breezed through it so I may be a little behind, but we're talking about unique styles, statistical advancement, & "awkwardness of Isabela in plate" right?

So I'll shoot, unique outfits make the characters distinctive but they then loose their familiarity with others. Normal people do not wear "nipple belts" or walk around without pants. This extreme wardrobe change distances the character enough to make them foreign to everyone, whilst a less extreme outfit will allow them to look more like normal people. If Isabela is such an assassin/thief that wants to sneak around why is she dressed in white, & dress in a revealing outfit? An outfit can be unique without looking alien. Like Bethany's first outfit with the bit of chainmail. That is a great suedo-normal look, Aveline's heavy armor is suitable as long as she doesn't go into areas that are unfamiliar to armored personnel. You wear different clothes to different activities. You wear hiking boots & durable clothes to camp in, you wear formal attire to important events, & wear armor in battle! I find it odd that Shepard wore full combat gear into a danceclub, he should have been thrown out on his [butt].

Has anyone given a good excuse to why you need high strength to wear armor?

Plenty of people walk about without pants, just as kanyone who uses dresses/skirts. And the tunic or toga waring people of greece and Rome for that matter.

That's true but wearing a short skirt with a thong is usually a bad idea. You can't sit on anything not padded with fabric for one. That's my main gripe with Isabela's outfit, she should have short shorts underneath or something like the Tevinter mage robes had.

I'm not saying she have the most practical issue, my argument is merely that pants themselves mosrtly have an advantage when it's cold, and that people have always goen without them. And you can even have armour without pants.

[In Exile]

Tinxa wrote...
That's true but wearing a short skirt with a thong is usually a bad idea. You can't sit on anything not padded with fabric for one. That's my main gripe with Isabela's outfit, she should have short shorts underneath or something like the Tevinter mage robes had.

The thing is, Isabella isn't wearing a skirt and thong. She's apparently wearing a long shirt and thong.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
 I know BioWare is explicitly not
catering to replayability (because most players don't replay games), but
this is a serious blow to replayability if it is true.  It's also a
serious blow to customisability of the party as an effective combat
unit.

I dislike this definition of replayability. I don't think new content is neccesary to keep something fresh or interesting. To switch genres for a second, a book is no less interesting (at least for me) on the third or fourth read through.

[Maria Caliban]

In Exile wrote...

Tinxa wrote...
That's true but wearing a short skirt with a thong is usually a bad idea. You can't sit on anything not padded with fabric for one. That's my main gripe with Isabela's outfit, she should have short shorts underneath or something like the Tevinter mage robes had.

The thing is, Isabella isn't wearing a skirt and thong. She's apparently wearing a long shirt and thong.

I thought you had switched to Team Pants in the other thread.

Edit: Your defection hurts, but I take great amusement in the idea that you've defended Isabela's outfit for countless pages while not realizing what she wore.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 décembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[In Exile]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I thought you had switched to Team Pants in the other thread.

Naw, I still like her outfit. I just thing the no pants thing is silly. It makes her aesthetic enjoyment a little worse for me, but overal I just really like harping on the meme.

Edit: Your defection hurts, but I take great amusement in the idea that you've defended Isabela's outfit for countless pages while not realizing what she wore.

I never defended her outfit specifically, though. I like it less, but I've always defended unique apperances and I stand by that. They could parade Isabella in nutella and whip cream and have her attack with peeled bananas, and I'd still support that in principle if it's a unique apperance.

[namedforthemoon]

I'm going with this idea: Isabela is wearing a mini-dress. I've seen styles pretty close to what she wears around where I live in the summer time. She just chooses to pair her mini-dress with thigh-high boots instead of high-heeled sandals. As for her thong (if it is indeed a thong, is there an actual full view of it?), how many celebrities are there who get out of cars with no underwear at all? Quite a few. There's pictures to prove that they have no underwear on. Ew, Britney. A thong would be better than nothing at all.



After that, Isabela pretty much lives on a ship (until it wrecked and she had to swim to shore... Maybe that's how she lost her pants, if she had any at all. Lose the pants, it's too much drag! Not the boots, though! They were darned expensive!) where it's possibly hot, humid and you don't want to wear a bunch of stuffy clothing. I was under the impression that Rivain was a tropical place, so that would fit if she sailed around that general area.



Also, she's a sexual hedonist. She's going to wear sexy stuff for her own pleasure, because that's what hedonists do. They please themselves, and if people don't like it, they don't give a damn.



As for realism... She's a duelist/swashbuckler. She needs freedom of movement. She needs to be fast, and maybe something more covering would hinder her. Considering she fought off 3-4 guys at the Pearl in Denerim, I think she can handle herself pretty well, pants or no pants.

[Xewaka]

namedforthemoon wrote...
As for realism... She's a duelist/swashbuckler. She needs freedom of movement. She needs to be fast, and maybe something more covering would hinder her. Considering she fought off 3-4 guys at the Pearl in Denerim, I think she can handle herself pretty well, pants or no pants.

She was wearing leather armor in the Pearl. Just sayin'.

[Piecake]

Xewaka wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...
As for realism... She's a duelist/swashbuckler. She needs freedom of movement. She needs to be fast, and maybe something more covering would hinder her. Considering she fought off 3-4 guys at the Pearl in Denerim, I think she can handle herself pretty well, pants or no pants.

She was wearing leather armor in the Pearl. Just sayin'.

She also looks boring and generic in the pearl too.  Of course, thats the word I would use to describe most DAO armour.

[RosaAquafire]

I'm not getting into the whole debate, just let it be known that I support unique companion outfits completely and utterly, and it's not just Maria and two other people. We just whine less.

[Xewaka]

Piecake wrote...

She also looks boring and generic in the pearl too.  Of course, thats the word I would use to describe most DAO armour.

Some of the designs could use some work, but that was the beauty of it: If you found one outfit didn't work for you, you could try another.

I know I loved how the Armor of the Legion looked.

[Liablecocksman]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'm not getting into the whole debate, just let it be known that I support unique companion outfits completely and utterly, and it's not just Maria and two other people. We just whine less.

So you're not "getting into the whole debate", you're just in for a quick "everyone against "unique companion outfits" whine!".

That's very constructive of you.

EDIT: Or are you saying Maria and her pro-unique compatriots are the ones whining? Or everyone in the discussion?
My head is spinning from caffeine overload, excuse me.

Modifié par Liablecocksman, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[In Exile]

Xewaka wrote...

She was wearing leather armor in the Pearl. Just sayin'.

She also looked like she was 48 and dried poorly in the sun.

Xewaka wrote...

Some of the designs could use some work,
but that was the beauty of it: If you found one outfit didn't work for
you, you could try another.

I know I loved how the Armor of the
Legion looked.

If you were using leather armour, you had 2 design options.

If you were using massive armour, you had 2 choices.

[Ryzaki]

...Really? Because I don't know about you but if I see two shirts the exact same style and cut but have different colors one tends to see that as two choices not one.