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[Hawksblud]

In Exile wrote...

Just to clarify, I don't think the outfit is a bad outfit in battle. I think it's a silly outfit. Put another way - I don't think armour is neccesary, required or even part of what it takes to have an aesthetically pleasing game. I'm totally against realism in any video-game.

...Just to clarifying to make sure you're really agreeing with me.

In that case, partially.. but not completely.

Personally, while I'm not looking for complete realism, I do like the limits of plausibility to be set somewhere. 

[HighMoon]

LURadio wrote...

Characters gain appeal through their appearance, I'll use Mass Effect 2's static companion outfits as my example, would Miranda really have been the same if she didn't wear the skin tight white/black outfit, not really. It helps make that character who they are, like from what I've seen of Isabella, the way she looks is really going to help define her character.

My sentiments exactly.

Isabela's outfit in battle is impractical, but not impossible. So she may sustain some injuries, nothing that a few injury kits and healing spells can't fix. It was the same case in DAO with Morrigan's exposed chest. She is a rogue anyway, she is fast moving and is not supposed to be hit. I imagine most enemies would be aiming for her upper body rather than anywhere below her waist.

All I hope is that she explains why she dresses the way she does. I imagine it has something to do with seduction. Easy access perhaps? Maybe that is her "seducing" outfit, but she couldn't be bothered to change into combat gear so she just went with the flow? Or maybe she lost all of her combat gear (i.e. her DAO outfit) in the ship crash!

[Ryzaki]

...Everytime someone tries to use Miranda's outfit as defining her character I die a little inside.

[Aermas]

IRMcGhee wrote...

"I like Fenris's armour......"

Right you, what have ye done with the real Aermas ?

(Deep Breath)

It's stupid that the upper arms are exposed (yes I know they are open to display his lyrium veins)
The breastplate is only fine as long as it's metal & why oh, why doesn't he have a gorget? & He better have armor on his legs!

Yes, it's still me under here. I'm just trying to stay positive

[Altima Darkspells]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Seriously, the way some of you harp on you'd think Isabela's lack of pants completely ruins her character for you. It's a purely trivial matter. As long as she is well written (and we know she will be) and efficient in combat then her pantlessness shouldn't be *THIS* big a deal.

Perhaps, but it's easy for little annoyances to add up and lead to someone disliking and/or never using said character.

Sure, maybe the outfit isn't that bad (it is).  But then, she has a Miranda-face.  Oh no.  And what's that?  You don't like her VA.  Aw, and she disapproves that you don't beat orphans to death with burning kittens?

How a character looks is important, though.  Especially if you'll be forced to look at said character for many, many hours.  Given the way Isabella was shown in the trailers, one can assume she's rather important to the plot--in a way that maybe Morrigan and Alistair were to DAO.  It's almost up there with people disliking the main character's voice in DA and ME (and I know some people can't stand Meer's Shepard).

After all, it's pretty important if you don't like it and can't change it.

[DadeLeviathan]

I have mixed feelings about them. Firstly, I think they look fantastic and add to the character's flavor, but at the same time I like customizing my party members with various armor and such. So do I like them? Yes. Do I wish I could still customize them, though? Yes. Do I really care that much to make a fuss? Heck no.

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

While I agree with your premise, I disagree with your example.  Miranda's character and her outfit don't really fit to me.

Indeed. Miranda's outfit didn't reflect her personality but her role as love interest and cover girl. Jacob's outfit was also dubious. I'm not sure how 'practical, loyal, and level-headed' is conveyed through tight spandex. I think they would have done better to use something based on the more comfortable looking uniforms the crew wore to suggest he's one of the guys.

Jack, Zed, Thane, and Katsumi were well done. Tali, Garrus, Legion, and Grunt looked good but were obviously restrained by their respective 'species outfits.' I have no idea how being a devout Justicar ties into wearing a strawberry suit with plunging neckline.

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Given the way Isabella was shown in the trailers, one can assume she's rather important to the plot--in a way that maybe Morrigan and Alistair were to DAO. 

She's not. Varric is important but you don't even have to meet Isabela.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[Lady of the Waters]

Hawksblud wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Seriously, the way some of you harp on you'd think Isabela's lack of pants completely ruins her character for you. It's a purely trivial matter. As long as she is well written (and we know she will be) and efficient in combat then her pantlessness shouldn't be *THIS* big a deal.

Ehh, it kind of does, for me, though. In the real world, it would be a pretty clear indication that I can't take her seriously as a warrior. And that kind of carries over into gaming.

Not being able to take her seriously as a warrior is understandable, I suppose. For example, I find it difficult to believe that "Red Sonja" would be such a fierce warrior-woman while wearing all but a chainmail bikini. Same goes for the majority of female super-heroines in comic books.

But not being able to take her seriously/respect her as a person is an entirely different matter IMO. It's just like if someone wears skimpy clothes in their day-to-day life, doesn't mean that you can't still respect their personality. Even on the battlefield, if Isabela isn't credible as a warrior due to her skimpy clothing, doesn't mean she can't still be a nice person or have a cool personality.

By the way, I hope I'm not coming off as offensive, I'm just trying to establish the differences between respecting a person as a combatant and respecting them on a more personal level. No harm done.

[Lady of the Waters]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

 But then, she has a Miranda-face.

Actually, recent screen shots confirm that Isabela's face has become a lot better looking (thank goodness for that!).

[Addai]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Seriously, the way some of you harp on you'd think Isabela's lack of pants completely ruins her character for you. It's a purely trivial matter. As long as she is well written (and we know she will be) and efficient in combat then her pantlessness shouldn't be *THIS* big a deal.

Her exaggerated breasts and the panty shots... yeah, can't say that wins me any points.  I didn't like her in Origins, either, though.

Looking at her character page on the DA2 site, I'm thinking what could put it over the edge is if she calls my femHawke "Kitten" like she called my femWarden "sweet thing."    At that point I'm hoping the dialogue wheel pops up with a "b*tch slap" icon.

[Hawksblud]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Not being able to take her seriously as a warrior is understandable, I suppose. For example, I find it difficult to believe that "Red Sonja" would be such a fierce warrior-woman while wearing all but a chainmail bikini. Same goes for the majority of female super-heroines in comic books.

But not being able to take her seriously/respect her as a person is an entirely different matter IMO. It's just like if someone wears skimpy clothes in their day-to-day life, doesn't mean that you can't still respect their personality. Even on the battlefield, if Isabela isn't credible as a warrior due to her skimpy clothing, doesn't mean she can't still be a nice person or have a cool personality.

By the way, I hope I'm not coming off as offensive, I'm just trying to establish the differences between respecting a person as a combatant and respecting them on a more personal level. No harm done.

Oh, no, not at all. You put into words what I was trying to say, far more eloquently than I was managing. I wouldn't mind these clothes at all, were she shown wearing them during, say, a diplomatic mission or peaceful sidequest, or when we first meet her. However, regarding the preset NPC clothing, I would have preferred to see her in something a little more practical during battle.

In the same way that I know several gorgeous fem!Marines who look amazing in cocktail dresses... but when it's time to get down to business, the clothes change. I respect them no matter what they're wearing... but every outfit has its place, if that makes sense. 

EDIT: I should say, I am an Isabela fan, my warden, uh, enjoyed meeting her in Origins. And I am pointing this out not to tear her down.

EDITx2: I will not start my rant on women in comic books. It is long and well-practiced. 

Modifié par Hawksblud, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:12 .

[Maria Caliban]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

For example, I find it difficult to believe that "Red Sonja" would be such a fierce warrior-woman while wearing all but a chainmail bikini.

Sonja's armor isn't realistic but that isn't what hurts her character. The vast majority of comic book characters have implausible outfits.

What undermines the character is that most of the art of her looks like this instead of this.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:14 .

[Ryzaki]

...If she's like Zevran with the hitting on my PC when it's not wanted she better stop like Zevran. Now that Addai brought it up I hope so.

[Maria Caliban]

I don't care if a companion or NPC is the flirtatious type. What I don't want is something like ME 2 where my femShep started using her 'sexy voice' whenever she talked to Jacob.

[Altima Darkspells]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

 But then, she has a Miranda-face.

Actually, recent screen shots confirm that Isabela's face has become a lot better looking (thank goodness for that!).

Well, I was just giving an example.  The only screens I've seen of her face have been away and blurry.  The example still stands, as there will be people who don't like a character's facial model too, of course.  Though Miranda was a bit of an extreme example.

Maria Caliban wrote...

She's not. Varric is important but you don't even have to meet Isabela.

That's good news, indeed!  Do you have a source?

That does bring up another question if all the narrators are required, or if you can actually skip a few.  Of course, it's also possible that some of the narrators aren't party members...

[Aermas]

Hardened warriors do not wear thongs! If a Green Beret was to wear a thong & no pants to a battlefield they would be discharged.



Does anyone realize the amount of filth & bugs that populate a seafaring vessel? Pants would be a welcome to the alternative of sitting on something that is wet, rotting & lice ridden.

[Ryzaki]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't care if a companion or NPC is the flirtatious type. What I don't want is something like ME 2 where my femShep started using her 'sexy voice' whenever she talked to Jacob.

Hey there Jaaaacob....*sexy purr*

Really though she sounds like she's gonna rape the guy half the time.

[LURadio]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Everytime someone tries to use Miranda's outfit as defining her character I die a little inside.

Alright so that wasn't my best example, I was mainly just trying to snap together a quick comparison with someone, okay Morrigan would be a better example.  Her clothes and the colours scream everything she was.  The dark colours for her initial personality, The feathers and tears in the skirt for the wild apostate mage.  Yes, you could change her clothes but.......was she still Morrigan if you did.....not really, not to me anyways.  Was her outfit impractical for battle, sort of, she was a mage so she wore robes being futher away.......would she take hits and cuts to her exposed chest if she was hit by blades yes.  But, I think that static clothes can be done correctly if done like they did for Morrigan (for the most part).

[HighMoon]

I expect the "give Isabela pants" mod will be out fairly quickly once the game becomes available. It may even be the very first (perhaps behind the "romance bethany/carver" mods *shudders*)

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Maria Caliban]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

That's good news, indeed!  Do you have a source?

That does bring up another question if all the narrators are required, or if you can actually skip a few.  Of course, it's also possible that some of the narrators aren't party members...

Sheryl said it on the original Isabela thread when people were complaining about having an unclean woman as a love interest.

Aermas wrote...

Hardened warriors do not wear thongs!

I wouldn't go that far.

[Altima Darkspells]

Aermas wrote...

Hardened warriors do not wear thongs! If a Green Beret was to wear a thong & no pants to a battlefield they would be discharged.

Does anyone realize the amount of filth & bugs that populate a seafaring vessel? Pants would be a welcome to the alternative of sitting on something that is wet, rotting & lice ridden.

Green Berets are modern soldiers using modern equipment and tactics.

The people in Dragon Age presumably fight the same that those in the bronze, stone, and iron ages have (albeit with having to make alterations by the fact that mages are walking, ammo-less artillery platforms capable of routing whole armies by their mere presence).

Frankly, I'm shocked at all the pants-wearing.  Real warriors fight in skirts.  Or naked.

Also, if you'll notice, Isabella does a lot of her fighting on a not-boat.

Golden-Rose wrote...

I expect the "give Isabela pants" mod will be out fairly quickly once the game becomes available. It may even be the very first (perhaps behind the "romance bethany/carver" mods *shudders*)

Silly.  The first non-nude mod for DA2 will be reverting the Darkspawn to something less reminisce of putties.

Modifié par Altima Darkspells, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Lady of the Waters]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Hardened warriors do not wear thongs!

I wouldn't go that far.

Exactly. For all we know Sten could have been wearing a thong underneath all that armour.

Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Altima Darkspells]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Exactly. For all we know Sten could have been wearing a thong underneath all that armour.

And Lady of the Waters is the first to stumble upon the reason why Qunari women cannot be soldiers.

[Atakuma]

Thongs are great for flexibility... so I've heard.

[Aermas]

I'm all for battleskirts, armored leggings are a stretch of believability.



I love the hypocracy of the forums, first Isabela is a skilled warrior that knows how to protect herself even though she wears no armor, next she isn't a hardened warrior.

Then; Isabela wears no pants because she lives on a ship & pants would be a hindrance, next she isn't fighting on a ship so she can wear whatever she likes.



Why not all Isabela supporter gather together to construct a few key points to why she should dress as he does & then I'll tear apart your excuses with cold hard logic.