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[Maria Caliban]

Aermas wrote...


I love the hypocracy of the forums, first Isabela is a skilled warrior that knows how to protect herself even though she wears no armor, next she isn't a hardened warrior.

Then; Isabela wears no pants because she lives on a ship & pants would be a hindrance, next she isn't fighting on a ship so she can wear whatever she likes.

That's not hypocrisy.

Why not all Isabela supporter gather together to construct a few key points to why she should dress as he does & then I'll tear apart your excuses with cold hard logic.

Because people have different opinions.

I mean, people who dislike the unique outfits have done so for a wide range of reason, you don't see me getting angry at them for being individuals instead of a hive mind.

[Atakuma]

Aermas wrote...

Why not all Isabela supporter gather together to construct a few key points to why she should dress as he does & then I'll tear apart your excuses with cold hard logic.

Cold hard logic that doesn't in anyway apply to DA2.

[Crimson Invictus]

Atakuma wrote...
Thongs are great for flexibility....

Thus far the most interesting part of the "debate" over the last few pages.

Aermas wrote...
I'll tear apart your excuses with cold hard logic.

I laughed.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:03 .

[Maria Caliban]

Atakuma wrote...

Cold hard logic that doesn't in anyway apply to DA2.

Well, yes. And his cold, hard logic isn't very logical as there's no logical basis for valuing realism within a game*. The best he can do is explain what properties he values and then explain how Isabela's pantslessness contrasts with those values.

With the same cold, hard logic, I could explain how heterosexual romances shouldn't be in Dragon Age 2.

*non-simulation

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:11 .

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

And his cold, hard logic isn't very logical as there's no logical basis for valuing realism within a game.

Well, apart from sims.  Like, Gran Turismo or Microsoft Flight Simulator.  

But Dragon Age isn't a sim.  So no, it doesn't apply.

[Crimson Invictus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Well, apart from sims.  Like, Gran Turismo or Microsoft Flight Simulator. 

And now we have a firm grasp of the obvious.

[Atakuma]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Cold hard logic that doesn't in anyway apply to DA2.

Well, yes. And his cold, hard logic isn't very logical as there's no logical basis for valuing realism within a game. The best he can do is explain what properties he values and then explain how Isabela's pantslessness contrasts with those values.

With the same cold, hard logic, I could explain how heterosexual romances shouldn't be in Dragon Age 2.

That is what I meant, but if I had tried to explain it, it would have been rubbish

[upsettingshorts]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Well, apart from sims.  Like, Gran Turismo or Microsoft Flight Simulator. 

And now we have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Well, duh.  But given that realism arguments are often made, I think making clear that Dragon Age isn't a sim nor does it claim to be is a fair point.

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, apart from sims.  Like, Gran Turismo or Microsoft Flight Simulator.  

But Dragon Age isn't a sim.  So no, it doesn't apply.

Natch. Edited.

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

I'm all for battleskirts, armored leggings are a stretch of believability.

I love the hypocracy of the forums, first Isabela is a skilled warrior that knows how to protect herself even though she wears no armor, next she isn't a hardened warrior.
Then; Isabela wears no pants because she lives on a ship & pants would be a hindrance, next she isn't fighting on a ship so she can wear whatever she likes.

Why not all Isabela supporter gather together to construct a few key points to why she should dress as he does & then I'll tear apart your excuses with cold hard logic.

Video games does not equal real-life. Say it with me now: video games are not real life. One more time.. just for the lols..

And your cold hard logic has failed to win you many a debate on the forums now, you might want to invest in a new technique of persuasion.

The Isabela fans have, multiple times, now justified her choice of outfit. You just consistently refuse to hear anything that runs contrary to "real life" physics/combat, even though this is.. wait for it.. a video game. That isn't a simulation of any kind. Even The Sims isn't 100% realistic and that's a game about life.

And when was Isabela ever a warrior or only allowed to wear pants if she was on a ship? Is that your infamous cold hard logic or am I missing something major here?

[Crimson Invictus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Well, duh. But given that realism arguments are often made, I think making clear that Dragon Age isn't a sim nor does it claim to be is a fair point.

Fascinating, I'm sure. But since it seems you agree it was blatantly obvious, why are you defending your point? I don’t know as I disagreed in any way.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Aye Isabela's outfit looks ridiculous but I think realism went out the window in the first game.This isn't ME where things at least *try* to make coherent sense.

Though that went out the window when they resurrected Shepard. *sighs heavily*

There any decent WRPGs that try to stay realistic? No bikini armor or ninja flips? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[upsettingshorts]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Fascinating, I'm sure. But since it seems you agree it was blatantly obvious, why are you defending your point? I don’t know as I disagreed in any way.

Because I'm never exactly sure on these boards I tend to cover my bases. 

*shrug*

Call it a bad habit.

Ryzaki wrote...

Though that went out the window when they resurrected Shepard. *sighs heavily*

Yes and no.  It is explained he is resurrected through incredibly advanced and expensive medical technology - which you can either choose to believe is possible in universe, or isn't.  It still attempts to appeal to "realism" by explaining the phenomena in real terms.  That doesn't make it that much different than "a wizard did it," though.

I'm trying to think of the Dragon Age equivalent in-world explanation of the new combat animations.  A proliferation of stylistic martial arts that are somehow effective?  No idea.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Snoteye]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though that went out the window when they resurrected Shepard. *sighs heavily*

And not when, say, they discovered mass effect.

[Ryzaki]

Snoteye wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though that went out the window when they resurrected Shepard. *sighs heavily*

And not when, say, they discovered mass effect.

Mass Effect was a mild leap that was needed for everything to make sense. Resurrecting shepard was not only unneeded but bloody retarded.

Yes and no.  It is explained he is resurrected through incredibly
advanced and expensive medical technology - which you can either choose
to believe is possible in universe, or isn't.  It still attempts to
appeal to "realism" by explaining the phenomena in real terms.  That
doesn't make it that much different than "a wizard did it," though.

I'm
trying to think of the Dragon Age equivalent in-world explanation of
the new combat animations.  A proliferation of stylistic martial arts
that are somehow effective?  No idea.

Not really because somehow this technology not only took a mere 2 years to develop but wasn'tused for anyone other than Shepard? 

Yeah. I'm not believing it.

And plus for them to even get that far I kind of have to ignore the fact that he fell into a planet and most likely disintergrated.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:36 .

[Ziggeh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
  That doesn't make it that much different than "a wizard did it," though.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from wizards having a bash at it.

[Crimson Invictus]

ziggehunderslash wrote...
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from wizards having a bash at it.

Blame Flemeth, she is apparently behind everything else.

[Ryzaki]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from wizards having a bash at it.

Blame Flemeth, she is apparently behind everything else.

But Flemeth is awesome. Shepard's resurrection sucked.

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not really because somehow this technology not only took a mere 2 years to develop but wasn'tused for anyone other than Shepard? 

Yeah. I'm not believing it.

And plus for them to even get that far I kind of have to ignore the fact that he fell into a planet and most likely disintergrated.

On your first point:  It was obscenely expensive and Shepard's the first time it actually worked.  It wasn't like he simply "returned" like Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica, though.  They made an effort, we have to recognize the effort even if to us it falls short of believability.  Their intent was to keep the resurrection "realistic." 

On your second point:  That's fine.  Suspension of disbelief is a subjective thing.

On your third point:  I like the "he got into the MAKO before re-entry" explanation myself, but yeah, to me that's the silliest part.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

On your first point:  It was obscenely expensive and Shepard's the first time it actually worked.  It wasn't like he simply "returned" like Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica, though.  They made an effort, we have to recognize the effort even if to us it falls short of believability.  Their intent was to keep the resurrection "realistic." 

On your second point:  That's fine.  Suspension of disbelief is a subjective thing.

On your third point:  I like the "he got into the MAKO before re-entry" explanation myself, but yeah, to me that's the silliest part.  

Eh. I don't know I just find the whole Lazarus station mindnumbingly retarded. First off: Why wait so damn long Wilson (yes I know he tried once but you'd think he'd try *again*) and...urgh too many dumb things to list.

Eh...my suspense doesn't go that far. I just sighed the second I saw him glow.

[Snoteye]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mass Effect was a mild leap that was needed for everything to make sense. Resurrecting shepard was not only unneeded but bloody retarded.

It was necessary to resurrect him. It was killing him that was unneeded and, at best, questionable.

[Ziggeh]

As snoteye said, you've got to ignore the phlebotinum at the heart, and in the title of the game to call it "realism". I think obscenely advanced, cellular level surgery makes an awful lot of sense next to that.

[Ryzaki]

Snoteye wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mass Effect was a mild leap that was needed for everything to make sense. Resurrecting shepard was not only unneeded but bloody retarded.

It was necessary to resurrect him. It was killing him that was unneeded and, at best, questionable.

And it wouldn't have been needed to resurrect him without that contrived and frankly mindboggling stupid attack.

"LOLZ ATTACK SHEPARD!"

"Okay." 

"I WANT HIZ BODY!" 

"OKAZ!"

*BOOM*

"LET'S TOTALLY LEAVE SHEP'S BODY BEHIND MAN! IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE CAME FOR!"

/facepalm

My suspension of disbelief was fine with Mass Effect. I was fine with the weird magic mojo that makes everything work. Resurrecting people from the dead and the Reapers being retarded is where I draw the line.

Not to mention there shouldn't have *been* a body to resurrect. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Ziggeh]

Ryzaki wrote...

And it wouldn't have been needed to resurrect him without that contrived and frankly mindboggling stupid attack.

Yes, you have to question just how bright these guys are if their plan for acquiring something that was on a spaceship was to blow said spaceship into small bits.

And then not bothering to check the life boats.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Maria Caliban]

Ryzaki wrote...

There any decent WRPGs that try to stay realistic? No bikini armor or ninja flips? 

Alpha Protocol, Deus Ex, Fallout: NV on hardcore.