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[Adhin]

@Ms. Lovey Dovey: Thats not her armor outfit, that's how she looks when you first run into her. And yeah it looks more like she just threw on her Farmers outfit and went at it (which is kinda how you find her).

[Ryzaki]

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

And yet we have already seen that several companions have multiple outfits, so who is to say that they each won't possess at least one model that suits your tastes? We can't really say either way if the outfits will all be spectacular or hideous when we've only seen a handful of examples.

Because the companions having multiple outfits are the exceptions not the rule.

And true we've only seen a handful but judging from the whole art direction I'm pretty "meh". So maybe I'll be lucky and find 3 outfits I deem decent.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Liablecocksman]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Liable****sman wrote...

Collecting 10 different leather armours that all look the same (WHOOPS THE STUDDED ONE IS BRIGHTER) is better than have armour that looks awesome.

No, it's not. You, and others, believe it to be better. Important difference.

I'm sorry, there seem to have been some sort of misunderstanding.
I was being ironic.

Are you also downing shots?

[Wicked 702]

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

And yet we have already seen that several companions have multiple outfits, so who is to say that they each won't possess at least one model that suits your tastes? We can't really say either way if all the outfits will all be spectacular or hideous when we've only seen a handful of examples.

No, you've seen them in what....cut scenes? I'm not saying they won't be there, only that we don't know either way as of the moment.

[Nyaore]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

And yet we have already seen that several companions have multiple outfits, so who is to say that they each won't possess at least one model that suits your tastes? We can't really say either way if the outfits will all be spectacular or hideous when we've only seen a handful of examples.

Because the companions having multiple outfits are the exceptions not the rule.

Where has this been confirmed out of curiosity?

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

Let's assume a hypothetical scenario here. Let's say you liked, or even loved most if not all of the unique but fixed outfits in DA:2. Would that change your opinion or not?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:35 .

[Ryzaki]

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

And yet we have already seen that several companions have multiple outfits, so who is to say that they each won't possess at least one model that suits your tastes? We can't really say either way if the outfits will all be spectacular or hideous when we've only seen a handful of examples.

Because the companions having multiple outfits are the exceptions not the rule.

Where has this been confirmed out of curiosity?

Laidlaw said as much.

...Gah I have to dig up that quote....I have no idea where it is.

[Maria Caliban]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
What do you think of fixed companion outfits?

I'm quoting the original post because I don't want to get caught up in someone else's argument. I'm sure I'll cover some points already made and some already refuted by those who know what the opinion of others should be.

I like them, they provide a recognisable style that tells me things about their personality through the details. A defined and unique silhouette is important in creating the visual impact of a character. I can't say as I will miss the chance to equip any character with any armour, I don’t feel the desire to play dress up with any character other than my own in the same way as I don’t feel the need to dress anybody else I meet.

I noticed some fan art the other day done in a chibi style, obviously with a stylised face, but Carver was instantly recognisable from the design of his shirt and the silhouette that armour creates. Other than Morrigan that opportunity is something that simply didn't exist in DA:O.

Thank you, Liana.

[Leonia]

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

So.. is it better to have hideous choices or hideous non-choice? They can't design outfits that everyone is going to like, that's just impossible regardless if they are using the DA:O system or the DA 2 system for clothing.

I guess.. I mean, yeah, I see the lack of choice as being bad but then, personally, I like the look of the outfits so far (especially Bethany's outfit with all the different materials and the way she's not wearing one of them generic and boring Circle robes but something more practical minus the cleavage of course).

And where is my shot glass? Don't make me go get my double shot glass.

Also, I totally agree with everything Liana said in her on-topic post that I am too lazy to go back and quote. Spot on.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

Let's assume a hypothetical scenario here. Let's say you liked, or even loved most if not all of the unique but fixed outfits in DA:2. Would that change your opinion or not?

No. The lack of choice would still bother me. Me liking the outfits just means that I can ignore it more instead of sighing every five minutes.

[upsettingshorts]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Oh, well thank god. Cause I would kill her off just for that fashion disaster she threw on. What's her "real" armor look like?

Like I said all we've got is a low res screencap:

[Tiax Rules All]

I remember seeing multiple outfits as exception not rule as well.

[Wicked 702]

Ryzaki wrote...

Laidlaw said as much.

...Gah I have to dig up that quote....I have no idea where it is.

Yeah, and I remember reading it too. I just don't remember where it was.

But yes, I am saying as much as well. For now anyway.

[Nyaore]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

And yet we have already seen that several companions have multiple outfits, so who is to say that they each won't possess at least one model that suits your tastes? We can't really say either way if all the outfits will all be spectacular or hideous when we've only seen a handful of examples.

No, you've seen them in what....cut scenes? I'm not saying they won't be there, only that we don't know either way as of the moment.

True, you're absolutely correct in that for all we know those outfits could be restricted in their usage. (Although it seems rather odd to commission a high quality character model when it will only be used in a handful of events - though that's what they did with Cailan's armor before RTO.) My point was that because we have yet to see all of them, at least from what we can infer, we shouldn't automatically jump to conclusions about how poorly they all must look. *shrug*

[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I remember seeing multiple outfits as exception not rule as well.

That's a quote from the fifth episode of the DA 2 podcast and it's been twisted around to mean even the opposite of that before. I'm not sure what to believe on that front.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Subjective qualities.  The same ones that determine if the limited choices in DA:O were quality choices.

True but you had some choice in DAO. I'm stuck with the hideous/silly outfits without even a choice.

So.. is it better to have hideous choices or hideous non-choice? They can't design outfits that everyone is going to like, that's just impossible regardless if they are using the DA:O system or the DA 2 system for clothing.

I guess.. I mean, yeah, I see the lack of choice as being bad but then, personally, I like the look of the outfits so far (especially Bethany's outfit with all the different materials and the way she's not wearing one of them generic and boring Circle robes but something more practical minus the cleavage of course).

And where is my shot glass? Don't make me go get my double shot glass.

...I didn't find all the armor in DAO ugly that's my point. The armors I liked would go on the NPCs. I had that choice. In DA2 I don't. It's not complicated.

And honestly the anwer to ugly robes is to make better robes. Not scrap evrything and give characters limited options.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Ziggeh]

Liable****sman wrote...

I'm sorry, there seem to have been some sort of misunderstanding.
I was being ironic.

Are you also downing shots?

Hah, you'll need to be a lot less subtle than that, you sound completely reasonable compared to a number of our regulars.

[Nyaore]

Ryzaki wrote...
Laidlaw said as much.

...Gah I have to dig up that quote....I have no idea where it is.

No worries, I'll take your word for it. No need to torture yourself trying to find the quote.

[Wicked 702]

Nyaore wrote...

True, you're absolutely correct in that for all we know those outfits could be restricted in their usage. (Although it seems rather odd to commission a high quality character model when it will only be used in a handful of events - though that's what they did with Cailan's armor before RTO.) My point was that because we have yet to see all of them, at least from what we can infer, we shouldn't automatically jump to conclusions about how poorly they all must look. *shrug*

Oh no, I'm with you 100%. If I find out that there's say...3 or 4 unique armors per character and they'll allow some significant appearance/stat customization, I'll be totally ecstatic. That might even swing my opinion to the other side. My whole argument is choice, for all of us.

...And beer.
Here's hoping...

Modifié par Wicked 702, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

They have multiple outfits anyway. So I can't really judge off two ugly ones. Hopefully.

Multiple might mean "two."  Or 2+ for some characters, one for others.  We honestly have no idea.

[Ryzaki]

Here's a thread with people discussing: http://social.biowar...-5275900-1.html

No mod contradicts it so...

[Dave of Canada]

In Dragon Age: Origins, you're given one body: the "human" body. Darkspawn, Qunari, Elves and Dwarves are all simply resized models. This creates weird body problems like the "gorilla" arms (picture seen here) that many complained about as being a problem, all models are shared amongst groups so you'd see Sten - a man from the north with a very different people - having "human" mannerisms and such.

When you'd equip say... Oghren or Sten with the Splintmail armor - it was simply the body being swapped for the armor. You're essentially putting the head on a new piece of armor that has the same animations as everybody else. This doesn't help much either since armors tend to all be recolors of themselves, making people not stand out in a crowd and everybody looking the same.

With this Dragon Age 2 system, they've created unique armors and body types for each character adding more depth to their personalities and have created individual animations for these characters (or so we've seen). This allows for more personalization to these characters, Isabela's mannerisms can be different than Varric or Bethany. Characters will remain "themselves" at the cost of you not being able to put Varric in a chantry robe or take off Isabela's clothes because you think it's funny.

The real issue at hand is your opinion on it. Do you honestly believe switching the appearence of a character is fully worth having everybody act the same? Look the same?