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[Soahfreako]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Galaxy is a better place without the Rachni. Ask any Krogan you know.

Alrighty, I'll go talk to mah buddy, Chet, next door. Since Krogan have been accepted on Earth a few days ago and everything of course.

[Phaedon]

Sajuro wrote...
So that's a green light to kill the Illusive Man?

I approve of this green light.

[That One Display Name]

Reiella wrote...

Eber wrote...

YAHG wrote...

remember folks, we found out that the rachni were under the control of the reapers when they attacked(via asari in me2).

Isn't killing the rachni especially prudent if they did what they did due to mind control? If they had attacked us for rational reasons (fear of the unknown, a growing need for resources or what ever) then those reasons might not be there anymore. At the very least there would be new factors for them to consider (reapers) and they could potentially be an ally. If they attacked us simply because they were brainwashed then there's nothing to say they won't be mind controlled again. Their hive mind intelligence could make them extra susceptible to it.

So, I'm guessing no survivors at Zhu's Hope?

Different situation.
We killed the Thorian.
The reapers on the other hand are still out there

[DPSSOC]

That One Display Name wrote...

Reiella wrote...
So, I'm guessing no survivors at Zhu's Hope?

Different situation.
We killed the Thorian.
The reapers on the other hand are still out there

Not to mention that wasn't a case of one creature being mind-controlled dominated an entire species.  All it takes is for the Rachni Queen to be indoctrinated and it's over, the Rachni are allies no more.

[Xilizhra]

Having seen no indication of any threatening behavior from the rachni queen, I'm going to not melt her.

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Having seen no indication of any threatening behavior from the rachni queen, I'm going to not melt her.

The necrobug behaves very threatenningly when you melt it.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 11 décembre 2010 - 01:59 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Having seen no indication of any threatening behavior from the rachni queen, I'm going to not melt her.

The necrobug behaves very threatenningly when you melt it.

Wouldn't you? Killing her is basically ending her species. Would you sit back and take it if someone was about to end your species at the click of a button?

[Dean_the_Young]

Wouldn't you also maintain an image of being peaceable, reasonable, and say whatever you thought the decider of future would want to hear before they pressed that button?

[Xilizhra]

Yes. I would also maintain an image of being peaceable, reasonable, and say whatever I thought the employee whom I spent several billion credits on resurrecting would want to hear.



The point being that while the rachni queen would have reasons for lying, there's not enough reason to think that this individual means to conquer the galaxy again, and kill her for it.

[CroGamer002]

It's even better if you didn't saved council in ME1 and you are Paragon.

"I let 10 000 people to die on Destiny Ascension, including the Council!"

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Galaxy is a better place without the Rachni. Ask any Krogan you know.

We shall see in ME3 Zulu, we shall see.

[ReiSilver]

I was just thinking... if the Rachni were only hostile because of indoctrination and indoctrination requires long contact with a reaper, it's not a fly-by boom your mind controlled thing. There's no reason to believe Rachni are more easily indoctrinated then any other species, so how did they become indoctrinated the first time? My guess is like with the others we've seen investigating reapers: curiosity, they wanted to understand what this thing was and were trapped. The new queen knows this and whether you believe she's peaceful or not no one wants to be a puppet, my guess is she'll burry herself deep and wont be taking any chances going near one herself and she can lead forces remotely to aid in the battle (reapers aren't good for anyone)



First play through I had no idea if the Rachni were going to be trustworthy or not, but the Rachni were a unique species and don't deserve extinction for being a threat any more then the Krogan do. Their way of talking was so... alien. The universe is diminished without them;

"She has colours we have no names for, but she is ending, her music is bittersweet, it is beautiful."

The queen's way of describing things was both creepy and hauntingly beautiful, you could hear a kind of recognition and appreciation for the dying asari, that the queen was sad those new colours were fading in her own weird way. Maybe it's this appreciation for unique 'colours' and 'songs' that lead a queen into a reaper in the first place.

Maybe it's because half my family are very artistic but I can really connect and appreciate that kind of mindset.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Having seen no indication of any threatening behavior from the rachni queen, I'm going to not melt her.

The necrobug behaves very threatenningly when you melt it.

Wouldn't you? Killing her is basically ending her species. Would you sit back and take it if someone was about to end your species at the click of a button?

Look, the queen submits itself to Shepard's judgement at first. It doesn't say: "Please release me, or else". And it doesn't have the necroed Asari walk straight to the console, as if nothing is happenning and say: "Thank you for killing that mind rapist, if you please wait a minute while I'm releasing myself and we'll talk". It says: "You're standing there, I'm sitting here, awaiting your decision, which will it be?" Now this implies that the queen is going to accept whatever judgement you pass. But if you condemn it to melting, it tries to stop you, revealing that it, in fact, has never meant to accept that kind of judgment. It's called "deceit".

Compare to Shiala's behavior under similar circumstances. She accepts her fate whichever you decide it must be, thus upholding the reputation of a sincere person she tried to build for herself. Therefore, my ruthless Shepard feels a bit sorry for killing Shiala (but not the real me, after learning that she would have turned green if I spared her!). But killing the Rachni queen was an absolutely justified move, while letting it loose would have been plain stupid.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Not only is your logic metagamey, how is it a surprise for someone who suddenly realizes that they're going to die to change their mind and try to survive somehow? I have no idea why this is some kind of condemnation.

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only is your logic metagamey, how is it a surprise for someone who suddenly realizes that they're going to die to change their mind and try to survive somehow? I have no idea why this is some kind of condemnation.

Sure, until Shepard says he is pushing the button and the queen freaks out, there is no definitive evidence of it being evil (except maybe the records of the Rachni War and all the property damage at Peak 15), so I kill it simply out of aversion to necromantic bugs. But as soon as the queen starts to fight, I'm all "lol-figures, die-die-die!"

[Xilizhra]

You do know that all the damage at Peak 15 is because the rachni children were insane, confirmed by the Russian guy in the hot labs, yes?



Also, neither records of an old war nor not liking the idea of death peg someone as evil.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only
is your logic metagamey, how is it a surprise for someone who suddenly
realizes that they're going to die to change their mind and try to
survive somehow? I have no idea why this is some kind of
condemnation.

Sure, until Shepard says he is pushing the
button and the queen freaks out, there is no definitive evidence of it
being evil (except maybe the records of the Rachni War and all the
property damage at Peak 15), so I kill it simply out of aversion to
necromantic bugs. But as soon as the queen starts to fight, I'm all
"lol-figures, die-die-die!"

Would you just stand there to be killed and your species since you do nothing wrong.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Vaenier]

Krogan were not needed to end the Rachni war. Ground Troops are never needed unless you want to protect the planet to move in on. Orbital bombardment would decimate any atmosphere, making it impossible for bugs to survive. So the question remains, why exactly did they manipulate the Krogan? How did Krogan manage to track down every single Rachni planet in the vastness of space? Note: space is BIG... Big... bigggg...

I think it was a conspiracy!

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

You do know that all the damage at Peak 15 is because the rachni children were insane, confirmed by the Russian guy in the hot labs, yes?

Also, neither records of an old war nor not liking the idea of death peg someone as evil.

I don't know about the Rachni "children", or what are the symptoms of the Rachni insanity... But tha Russian guy looked a bit delusional to me... And the queen was dead by the time I talked to him anyway.

And the Galaxy was fine without the Rachni for the last 2K years, and it wasn't fine with them before that, so as a spectre, I think, I had no options there.

Vaenier wrote...

Krogan were not needed to end the Rachni
war. Ground Troops are never needed unless you want to protect the
planet to move in on. Orbital bombardment would decimate any
atmosphere, making it impossible for bugs to survive. So the question
remains, why exactly did they manipulate the Krogan? How did Krogan
manage to track down every single Rachni planet in the vastness of
space? Note: space is BIG... Big... bigggg...
I think it was a conspiracy!

You're tempting.

[TexasToast712]

Iam more Renegade than Paragon (I try the Paragade approach) and I let the Rachni live because we need all the ally's we can get for the Reaper Invasion.

As for talking to Vasir I think the most badass thing Shephard says is "Vasir, you forgetting one thing...... Iam a Spectre too!" POW POW

Iam also gambling on there being a cure for the Genophage in ME3 and I intend to cure the Krogan. That will keep the Rachni in check.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[Vaenier]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Iam also gambling on there being a cure for the Genophage in ME3 and I intend to cure the Krogan. That will keep the Rachni in check.

What will keep the Krogan in check? they were just as bad as the Rachni.

[TexasToast712]

Vaenier wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Iam also gambling on there being a cure for the Genophage in ME3 and I intend to cure the Krogan. That will keep the Rachni in check.

What will keep the Krogan in check? they were just as bad as the Rachni.

I trust Wrex. Plus, I just love the Krogan, I dont care if they wanna eat me. I will still give em a hug.

[Zulu_DFA]

Vaenier wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Iam also gambling on there being a cure for the Genophage in ME3 and I intend to cure the Krogan. That will keep the Rachni in check.

What will keep the Krogan in check? they were just as bad as the Rachni.

You are right. That's why I say screw 'em all and let Cerberus keep everybody in check.

[Barquiel]

I wonder what happened to "the reapers are coming and galaxy needs every resource/technology to win"

I suppose the queen wants to survive = the rachni are interested to destroy the reaper fleet
The Asari "ambassador" on Illium says that when her ship crashed the Rachni were able to rebuild it rather quickly and made it better (better than asari/council technology) than it was before.

I suppose their technology isn't based on reaper technology  (maybe organic ships or something - at least a different path of technology).

[TexasToast712]

Doesnt the codex in ME1 say the Rachni are from another dimension?