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[MKDAWUSS]

TJPags wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

To answer your question, OP, there is no way to save Mhairi.

Her death did serve to reinforce the dangers of the Joining, but it's a pity she had to die. There was a bit of flirtation between her and Anders and I would have liked to see that develop.

However, Justice is already a sword and shield warrior. While she was very likeable, Mhairi is nowhere near as interesting as Justice. I would rather have him in the party over Mhairi.

Justice is interesting?  Really?  I found him dull.  And the whole rotting corpse thing bothered me after, I don't know, about 25 seconds . . . .

Yep. I sent him packing after taking down the Baroness because of that.

Lame reason, sure, but...

[Face of Evil]

TJPags wrote...

Justice is interesting?  Really?  I found him dull.  And the whole rotting corpse thing bothered me after, I don't know, about 25 seconds . . . .

I find his outlook on the world to be fascinating. I really like my conversations with Justice. Since he's also a good tank and shares my sense of morality, I like having him in my group.

I don't find it disturbing that he's a rotting corpse. His appearance doesn't bother me. Maybe if I was in the game, I'd be put off by the smell of rotting flesh, but I'm not. As is, I think he's pretty cool.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[Arthur Cousland]

I couldn't imagine traveling with a rotting corpse either. Justice is an interesting character, but physically, his skin peels as he walks and he does smell like a corpse (dialogue with Velanna). I might use him more often if there was a way to make Sigrun and Velanna wardens without recruiting him last. Not only do you recruit him so late in Awakening, but he doesn't even join you during the Blackmarsh quest until right before the Baroness fight, so there is so little time to get attached to him. I do like how Justice is eager to learn more about the world outside of the Fade.



Yes, Sigrun is awesome. It doesn't hurt that dual wield rogues kick ass in general, but she's easy to like too.



Oghren does have his annoying moments with the constant belching, the flirting with Sigrun and how he ditches Felsi+baby and how the warden has to proof-read his letters, but I usually have him tank in Awakening if my warden isn't one already. I'm sure I'd hate him a lot more if I was female.

[Face of Evil]

Justice's introduction is so awesome, though. He's just so hammy. I love his lines.


"FOUL SORCERESS! You will release these poor folk and submit yourself to JUSTICE!"



Besides, if you leave him in the Blackmarsh, he just stays there making gravestone markers. That's so sad it makes my teeth ache.

The one issue with Sigrun is that my main character is a dual-wielding tank rogue, and thus she's somewhat redundant. Easy to like, however.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:47 .

[Zjarcal]

The epilogue for un-recruited Justice makes me want to cry.

The idea of the poor spirit wandering around the Blackmarsh without any real purpose... 

I only once sided with the Baroness in Awakening, but hearing Justice's mad reaction towards my warden back in the real world was totally worth it. 

Anyway, I agree that Justice is a very interesting companion. The only negative is that his moral code is strictly black and white.

[MKDAWUSS]

I don't know - I thought un-recruited Justice epilogue was kind of neat; he becomes the Guardian of the Blackmarsh or something like that. Not to mention having someone like him wandering around in a place like that just adds to the haunted mystery there.

[TJPags]

Meh, his outlook or morality or whatever was way too black and white, right or wrong.  That, and he's like a child, learning new things every time he takes a step . . "is, is this love?  The world is so grey!"  Wears on me.

Plus, I tend to do Blackmarsh last every time - not sure why - so I get him late.  I don't use characters as tanks, so him being a good tank is meaningless to me.

Plus, someone mentioned his dialogue at the gate - personally, I found it pretty lame.  He's been stirring the people up for a while it seems, yet is mainly just standing there, doing nothing.  His black and white sense of justice should have led to him doing something a lot sooner.  The whole "standing around until the warden gets there, getting the warden to help, while being impatient if the warden doesn't help immediately" thing bothers me.  He's a rabble rouser (yes, I'm thinking South Park here), not a doer.

As much as I didn't like Nate (as a HNM), at least he did something.  Sigrun watched her whole unit get wiped out, and was captured herself, yet got right back up to fight some more.  Velanna got crazy, but again, did something.  Anders also - captive, but still fought back - and no, I don't think he killed those templars.  And Oghren, well, he's Oghren.

Plus, you'd honestly think a spirit could do something about the rotting corpse look and smell - especially when someone else mentions it.

Nope - just didn't like the guy at all.

[Face of Evil]

TJPags wrote...

someone mentioned his dialogue at the gate - personally, I found it pretty lame.  He's been stirring the people up for a while it seems, yet is mainly just standing there, doing nothing.  His black and white sense of justice should have led to him doing something a lot sooner.  The whole "standing around until the warden gets there, getting the warden to help, while being impatient if the warden doesn't help immediately" thing bothers me.

That's a little unfair to Justice, as you have no idea how long ago he arrived in The Blackmarsh Undying or the events that led up to the Baroness barricading herself in her estate. He could have spent weeks fending off the Baroness' constant attacks while trying to convince the villagers to stand against her. That couldn't have been an easy task; after all, they didn't even realize that the Baroness had trapped them in the Fade, or how long it's been since they were ripped out of the mortal world.

And doesn't he deserve some credit for trying to help people? It's not like he gets to earn his wings for doing a good deed.

TJPags wrote...

Plus, you'd honestly think a spirit could do something about the rotting corpse look and smell - especially when someone else mentions it.

The rotting corpse that he was trapped in against his will? Why would you make that assumption? Just because he's a magical being doesn't mean he can do anything.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[TJPags]

Face of Evil wrote...

TJPags wrote...

someone mentioned his dialogue at the gate - personally, I found it pretty lame.  He's been stirring the people up for a while it seems, yet is mainly just standing there, doing nothing.  His black and white sense of justice should have led to him doing something a lot sooner.  The whole "standing around until the warden gets there, getting the warden to help, while being impatient if the warden doesn't help immediately" thing bothers me.

That's a little unfair to Justice, as you have no idea how long ago he arrived in The Blackmarsh Undying or the events that led up to the Baroness barricading herself in her estate. He could have spent weeks fending off the Baroness' constant attacks while trying to convince the villagers to stand against her. That couldn't have been an easy task; after all, they didn't even realize that the Baroness had trapped them in the Fade, or how long it's been since they were ripped out of the mortal world.

TJPags wrote...

Plus, you'd honestly think a spirit could do something about the rotting corpse look and smell - especially when someone else mentions it.

The rotting corpse that he was trapped in against his will? Why would you make that assumption? Just because he's a magical being doesn't mean he can do anything.

Isn't he the one who breaks down the gate?  So, umm, he could have done it at any time.  A being of righteous justice should have done so, rather than waiting for random grey wardens who might show up.

And sure, why would I expect a magical being to be able to do something . . magical?  He's a spirit.  Make some kind of illusion, at least.  Sheesh.

[Face of Evil]

TJPags wrote...

Isn't he the one who breaks down the gate?  So, umm, he could have done it at any time.  A being of righteous justice should have done so, rather than waiting for random grey wardens who might show up.

Justice had no way of knowing the Grey Wardens had been trapped in the Fade and he wasn't waiting for anyone to show up. He and the townspeople had cornered the Baroness in her castle and were trying to coax her to come out, as she was more powerful in her lair. The Warden's arrival simply gives them the extra numbers they needed to force a final confrontation.

You don't even know how long Justice had been at the gates. Judging from the reaction of the townspeople, it hadn't been for very long.

TJPags wrote...

And sure, why would I expect a magical being to be able to do something . . magical?  He's a spirit.  Make some kind of illusion, at least.  Sheesh.

Why? Magic cannot simply do ANYTHING in the Dragon Age setting. If Justice had the power to reverse the decay of his vessel, don't you think he would use that power?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 décembre 2010 - 01:26 .

[TJPags]

Face of Evil wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Isn't he the one who breaks down the gate?  So, umm, he could have done it at any time.  A being of righteous justice should have done so, rather than waiting for random grey wardens who might show up.

Justice had no way of knowing the Grey Wardens had been trapped in the Fade and he wasn't waiting for anyone to show up. He and the townspeople had cornered the Baroness in her castle and were trying to coax her to come out, as she was more powerful in her lair. The Warden's arrival simply gives them the extra numbers they needed to force a final confrontation.

You don't even know how long Justice had been at the gates. Judging from the reaction of the townspeople, it hadn't been for very long.

TJPags wrote...

And sure, why would I expect a magical being to be able to do something . . magical?  He's a spirit.  Make some kind of illusion, at least.  Sheesh.

Why? Magic cannot simply do ANYTHING in the Dragon Age setting. If Justice had the power to reverse the decay of his vessel, don't you think he would use that power?

No, actually I don't think he WOULD do something.  He'd probably consider it wrong . . some kind of desecrating the corpse issue . .  ..

[Face of Evil]

TJPags wrote...

No, actually I don't think he WOULD do something.  He'd probably consider it wrong . . some kind of desecrating the corpse issue . .  ..

And what are you basing that on?

As evidence to the contrary, I offer this dialogue from the actual game:

Velanna: Ugh... your skin it's peeling.
Justice: Oh really? I didn't notice.
Velanna: Can I give you a poultice? Anything that can help?
Justice: No, I thank you for the offer, but Kristoff's body is dead. There is nothing that can be done.

I really want to emphasize that last part. Justice cannot do anything to improve Kristoff's appearance.