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[Monica83]

The witcher 2 is way more different from dragon age 2 and offers a lot more for action lovers and also for hardcore roleplayers...



Just follow the site and you will see... Anyways we are talknig about dragon age 2 now right?

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Monica83 wrote...

The witcher 2 is way more different from dragon age 2 and offers a lot more for action lovers and also for hardcore roleplayers...

In what way?

[Atakuma]

Monica83 wrote...

The witcher 2 is way more different from dragon age 2 and offers a lot more for action lovers and also for hardcore roleplayers...

Just follow the site and you will see... Anyways we are talknig about dragon age 2 now right?

The Witcher 2 offers next to nothing for roleplayers. Geralt Has a more of a predetermined persona than any Bioware PC.

[Herr Uhl]

Atakuma wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

The witcher 2 is way more different from dragon age 2 and offers a lot more for action lovers and also for hardcore roleplayers...

Just follow the site and you will see... Anyways we are talknig about dragon age 2 now right?

The Witcher 2 offers next to nothing for roleplayers. Geralt Has a more of a predetermined persona than any Bioware PC.

Not more than Sonic.

[Atakuma]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Not more than Sonic.

Touche

[Monica83]

Yes its a premaded character for this i have not problem to have a schematic dialogue system in TW2... But in a game where you are supposed to create your hero its quite ridicolus!



TW2 will be an action rpg

DA2 qill be an action rpg

The different is tw2 is superior in all ways....

[AlanC9]

Monica, you've really got to stop this business of posting nonsense just to bother people who like DA2's direction. It was cute at first, but it's played out now.

[Atakuma]

Monica83 wrote...

Yes its a premaded character for this i have not problem to have a schematic dialogue system in TW2... But in a game where you are supposed to create your hero its quite ridicolus!

TW2 will be an action rpg
DA2 qill be an action rpg
The different is tw2 is superior in all ways....

And have you played either of those games in their entirety? No you have not, so saying that one game you haven't played is superior to another game you haven't played is nonsense.

[AlanC9]

Well, the argument is that DA2 just isn't supposed to do the things that DA2 is doing, so DA2 simply can't be good regardless of how good a game it is, how much fun it is to play, or anything else.



I guess it works if you're some sort of Platonist and figure that a particular game has an ideal Form, and game quality is to be judged by how close a particular game comes to that Form.

[Graunt]

Atakuma wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

The witcher 2 is way more different from dragon age 2 and offers a lot more for action lovers and also for hardcore roleplayers...

Just follow the site and you will see... Anyways we are talknig about dragon age 2 now right?

The Witcher 2 offers next to nothing for roleplayers. Geralt Has a more of a predetermined persona than any Bioware PC.

A video "Roleplaying" game is nothing more than an action adventure game where you have either a lot of control over the character's "stat" growth or little to none where it has an engaging story and usually you also have party members to control.  

Nothing about Dragon Age sets it apart as being "superior" in the roleplaying elements over The Witcher unless you honestly believe predetermined text options give your character a wealth of individuality over the non options that Geralt has.  

I definitely do not want to turn this into a Dragon Age vs The Witcher thread, but I already know which game will most likely bring me the most enjoyment based off of the previous games from either developer and it won't be Dragon Age 2, even though I'm getting both.  

More often than not, modern "roleplaying" (and I mean that very loosely since you really cannot capture pnp very well in a video game) games that have less overall characters in your party and that have less overall options as far as skills go tend to be the most fun simply because the gameplay typically ends up being tweaked a lot better.  The same applies to the story elements as well in regards to dialogue options.  Sometimes it works when you have many choices, but more often than not it just gives the illusion of choice when many of the same options end in the exact same result anyway.

Dragon Age really was just a rehash of the archaic BG/NWN style set in a very generic LoTR world with some really great dialogue between characters and some ho-hum combat.  The Witcher 2 and Deus Ex: Human Revolution should be two of the best roleplaying games until Mass Effect 3 arrives, and Dragon Age 2 could end up being just as good or at the very least a very close second, but I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.

Modifié par Graunt, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[AlanC9]

Graunt wrote...
Nothing about Dragon Age sets it apart as being "superior" in the roleplaying elements over The Witcher unless you honestly believe predetermined text options give your character a wealth of individuality over the non options that Geralt has.  

Won't DA2 and TW2's conversation systems be essentially identical?

But I do think that DA2 will have a bunch of dialog options that TW2 doesn't need and won't have, since Geralt doesn't ever need to have a variable tone or be of a different class or sex
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[In Exile]

TW2 and DA2 both use a paraphrase. Except the Witcher developers are really obnoxious about it. Reading some of their interviews, you would think their logo was one dude patting himself on the back.

Geralt will have pretty different lines, I would think. He had them in TW, when you picked one side or another. And he could have some pretty involved calling out of people, which involved more ranting than you ever got to do in a Bioware RPG.

[Atakuma]

Graunt wrote...

Nothing about Dragon Age sets it apart as being "superior" in the roleplaying elements over The Witcher unless you honestly believe predetermined text options give your character a wealth of individuality over the non options that Geralt has.  

I do not roleplay in videogames, but some people do, so for them I would think DA2's options would be better for that than TW2's non options.

[IRMcGhee]

On top of that, if TW2 is mostly the same as TW as far as gameplay goes you'll have no control over party members in any way and no way to equip them, no useful weapon options other than improved versions of what you started with, no ranged weapons and only improved versions of the same armour you start with. All the stuff that some folk on here scream about that they perceive as being "lost" in DA2, legitimately or otherwise.

I enjoyed The Witcher (the upgraded version), but you can't say it has more RPG elements than DA2 (at least what we know about it). Not without forumites pointing and laughing anyway;)

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 16 décembre 2010 - 01:19 .

[slimgrin]

IRMcGhee wrote...

On top of that, if TW2 is mostly the same as TW as far as gameplay goes you'll have no control over party members in any way and no way to equip them, no useful weapon options other than improved versions of what you started with, no ranged weapons and only improved versions of the same armour you start with. All the stuff that some folk on here scream about that they perceive as being "lost" in DA2, legitimately or otherwise.

I enjoyed The Witcher (the upgraded version), but you can't say it has more RPG elements than DA2 (at least what we know about it). Not without forumites pointing and laughing anyway;)

They've made no comment about all the exact types of weapons we'll get in TW2. Bows? No. But we will have snares, bombs, etc. Maybe even a secondary weapon. A lot of the stuff folks scream about being lost in DA2 is being lost -- from DA:O, not The Witcher. They're two very diffrent games.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 décembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[slimgrin]

filaminstrel wrote...

Is the Witcher 2 solo-based or party-based? I would look it up, but apparently those are not accurate enough descriptions to get a clear answer out of google...

But that does make a pretty big difference, if it's a solo game.

Solo-based, with the occasional party member helping you. You have no control over them though.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 décembre 2010 - 01:37 .

[Graunt]

filaminstrel wrote...

Is the Witcher 2 solo-based or party-based? I would look it up, but apparently those are not accurate enough descriptions to get a clear answer out of google...

But that does make a pretty big difference, if it's a solo game.

It's a "solo" game where you end up getting non controllable party members.  Given the choice between controllable members with horrific AI (any Bioware game) or non controllable with very acceptable AI, I'll choose the latter every single time.  The Witcher is more like a very dark Zelda than Dungons and Dragons -- although if you want to get technical, in a "real" RPG, you only control your character period.

Modifié par Graunt, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:06 .

[ErichHartmann]

Graunt wrote...

It's a "solo" game where you end up getting non controllable party members.  Given the choice between controllable members with horrific AI (any Bioware game) or non controllable with very acceptable AI, I'll choose the latter every single time.  The Witcher is more like a very dark Zelda than Dungons and Dragons -- although if you want to get technical, in a "real" RPG, you only control your character period.

This just tells me you hate micromanaging characters.  Given the choice I always prefer to have full control.  I have little faith in any companion A.I. for every game I have ever played.  Doesn't really concern me for TW2 though since its not a party based game. 

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:12 .

[Wishpig]

These previews just get me more and more hyped. Really I don't see how people can complain about the combat anymore.

We PC players get our top down strat view.

The console players get a more actiony combat system that should work far better then the DA:O system.

Sounds like a win win to me.

[Wishpig]

filaminstrel wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

We PC players get our top down strat view.

Actually, no, they got rid of that, unless your definition of top-down strat view doesn't require the camera to be detachable from your currently-controlled character.

Awwww man, last I heard they were planning on implanting a top down strat view... although I was gone from the forums for a while... they must have decided not to go through with it.

Oh well, personally I don't care, but I take back my statement about not being able to understand why people are bashing on combat still.

[Graunt]

ErichHartmann wrote...

This just tells me you hate micromanaging characters.  Given the choice I always prefer to have full control.  I have little faith in any companion A.I. for every game I have ever played.  Doesn't really concern me for TW2 though since its not a party based game. 

Sorry, but there's a difference between managing characters and having to go well beyond anything reasonable.  I shouldn't have to constantly pause the game, or continually correct the trajectory of any given party member because the AI is too stupid to perform basic logic functions.  That's not fun.  The game isn't an RTS, yet if you aren't pausing almost every action that's what it turns into.  Neither is "fun" from a gameplay perspective.  In a turn based or menu driven RPG I love having complete control, but in a semi-realtime it's just a chaotic mess that usually boils down to the same mediocre "tactics".  Otherwise, all you're doing is dragging out the same boring and repetitive combat much longer than it needs to be. 

Why would anyone want to have "total control" over companions when 99% of the time you're just going to repeat the same clicks you've already done a hundred times before?  The Mass Effect games were the perfect example of horrible AI, and even when you controlled them they still hardly ever did what you commanded them to do in the end and would die to a missle in the face.

Modifié par Graunt, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[tmp7704]

Graunt wrote...

It's a "solo" game where you end up getting non controllable party members.  Given the choice between controllable members with horrific AI (any Bioware game) or non controllable with very acceptable AI, I'll choose the latter every single time.

Bit too early to declare quality of Witcher 2 AI, methinks. If it's anything like NPCs in the first game, it's nothing to write home about.

edit:

Why would anyone want to have "total control" over companions when 99% of the time you're just going to repeat the same clicks you've already done a hundred times before?

With this logic why would anyone want to play the game at all? 99% of the time just repeating the same clicks you've already done a hundred times before isn't limited to ordering the companions.

Modifié par tmp7704, 16 décembre 2010 - 04:25 .